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Monster Rain wrote:Hold on...

The Knights Templar didn't have flamethrowers and giant Chainsaws?

What part of "based on" is unclear?

Hold on...

The Knights Templar didn't have flamethrowers and giant Chainsaws?

Duh, of course they did!



This is completely accurate reenactment!

Monster Rain wrote:

Wiglaf wrote:Now that was funny, an american guy calling an eurofag "prude" .

I didn't call you anything, I think you misunderstood my post.

I know mate, just trying to reduce tension.

Witzkatz wrote:I'm just wondering if I should complain about Catachan Guardsmen being overly sexualized. I mean, those are definitely worse than SoB on that standpoint, aren't they? Not wearing any armor for the sake of showing off huge ripped torsos and gigantic biceps! But you know what? I'm actually fond of my army looking like a bunch of "hurrr! I'm Ramboo!" bodybuilders. I like the reference to movies like Predator and, well Rambo and so on. It's a game, after all. From that standpoint, I'm not sure I can completely understand being actually really annoyed by SoB models.

And one thing about the SoB being based on Templar knights and therefore not living up to their role model...so, okay, they don't wear armor like Knights Templar did. But they also strap girls to huge hissing walking engine thingies. Is that annoying, too, because those aren't based on the Templars? What I'm saying is, the Sisters of Battle are, of course, diverging in one way or another from the role model of Knights Templar, why is it so bad when they do so when it comes to body armor?

Catachans not having armor? what are you talking about they have T-shirts, That's better than flak armor isn't it? jk lol

Hold on...

The Knights Templar didn't have flamethrowers and giant Chainsaws?

According to the most recent research, they didn't even have girls!

I wonder how many people here have ever seen the lingerie football league . . .

SaintHazard wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:Hold on...

The Knights Templar didn't have flamethrowers and giant Chainsaws?

What part of "based on" is unclear?

The part where you arbitrarily decide what is fitting to be included in that basis and what is not.

Wiglaf wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:

Wiglaf wrote:Now that was funny, an american guy calling an eurofag "prude" .

I didn't call you anything, I think you misunderstood my post.

I know mate, just trying to reduce tension.

Ah. Sorry. But as you know...

Kilkrazy wrote:

Hold on...

The Knights Templar didn't have flamethrowers and giant Chainsaws?

According to the most recent research, they didn't even have girls!

Lies! Next thing you'll be telling me that they didn't fight Orks or use magical powers to become invulnerable.

gendoikari87 wrote:They aren't pretty or coo, but they are cheap hard to kill, powerful and infinitely renewable. Basically the ultimate soldier.. or in 40k terms guardsmen in power armor for 3 points... except the current versions can't climb stairs.... soooooo, we still need soldiers to go into harms way and clear houses and hold ground....

I think you're showing insufficient faith in the power of high explosives. Who needs to climb stairs when you can just level the building?

I don't mean to derail the thread but this is kind of what I think is going to happen to warhammer:

*begin Rant*
has anyone noticed lately how in anime the current trend has gone over, way over, to the big boobs, OMG I want to *** up the main character? I mean I don't see anything wrong with accentuating certain aspects to draw in attention but it seems that's all that anime has with it now. They are all focusing on the sexual aspect and have nearly abandoned the story line. I remember a time when story mattered, back in the 80's and 90's when Gundam and eva came out, the story lines were rich and meaningful with sprinkles of real tech in them as well as philisophical debate. Games were made with insight and took brains to play(IM LOOKING AT YOU SQUARE< YOU F"ED UP MY FRONT MISSION!!!!!!), today it's just boobs in your face and button mashing. Games, movies and shows... They meant something back then, but now it's just to quote Lewis Black "T!tt!3s T!tt!3s @$$ @$$ T!tt!3s T!tt!3s @$$ @$$ @$$" I mean really people can we keep the porn in the porn, and put some thought back into our D@mn games (both virtual and table top), movies and shows.

I can't belive as a male I'm saying this, but I'm tired of having boobs shoved in my face.
*end Rant*

I will give credit to spice and wolf though, yes there is nudity in it unlike 99% of anime that just teases you got hook you in, but it's actually done tastefully and it's not in your face or 24/7 its a light sprinkling and the rest of the time she's fully clothed.


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BearersOfSalvation wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote:They aren't pretty or coo, but they are cheap hard to kill, powerful and infinitely renewable. Basically the ultimate soldier.. or in 40k terms guardsmen in power armor for 3 points... except the current versions can't climb stairs.... soooooo, we still need soldiers to go into harms way and clear houses and hold ground....

I think you're showing insufficient faith in the power of high explosives. Who needs to climb stairs when you can just level the building?

Because some times you want to keep that building and use it yourself. I mean hell if that was what the military really thought we'd have just nuked iraq and afganistan. It's the PROPER application of high explosives that can solve any problem, not the gratuitous use of them.

as a side note this is also why the imperium does not just blast planets from orbit. Some things have to be done with finesse.

Wow, this conversation has gone over everywhere and back again without actually getting any mileage on the odometer.


Personally I think the SOB range needs to be made more female. I hate the current SOB models because with the exception of two bumps on the chest, they do not look like girls. Any definition in the hips is covered by the bolter/flamer. Any definition in the shoulders/neck is hidden by the collar and shoulder pads. Even the piss boy hair cuts and manly jaw lines don't help their situation any. The only other female definition is in the legs with slender calves. But is that really sexist? Do you really want them wearing marine armor with "girl power" written on the front instead of the eagle thingy.

At some point artistic license must be used to denote gender. You almost have to exaggerate those aspects of the body that denote the difference between male and female if anyone is to tell what is actually what.

Also another +1 on the totally hate SOB helmet design opinion.

I could imagine the mechanicum always having a temper tantrum having to make boob armor, knowing it's completely impractical yet all the young neophytes argue it is.

Without breasts, 40k becomes a sausage fest.

Personally, think of a bikini. Now armour all the places the bikini does not cover.

Now remove the bikini. Thats how SoB should look like.


HAHHAHALOLJOKES

I think the way they are now is feminine and realistic enough. Theres nothing wrong with the boob plates, we dont want them looking like female gears now (no boobs)

Jayden63 wrote:Wow, this conversation has gone over everywhere and back again without actually getting any mileage on the odometer.


Personally I think the SOB range needs to be made more female. I hate the current SOB models because with the exception of two bumps on the chest, they do not look like girls. Any definition in the hips is covered by the bolter/flamer. Any definition in the shoulders/neck is hidden by the collar and shoulder pads. Even the piss boy hair cuts and manly jaw lines don't help their situation any. The only other female definition is in the legs with slender calves. But is that really sexist? Do you really want them wearing marine armor with "girl power" written on the front instead of the eagle thingy.

At some point artistic license must be used to denote gender. You almost have to exaggerate those aspects of the body that denote the difference between male and female if anyone is to tell what is actually what.

Also another +1 on the totally hate SOB helmet design opinion.

Agreed!

And if they can't do it in like this, in a non-comical, in scale and non-hyper-sexualized way, they should just relegate them into the background.

Have the Emperor die, get reborn, show up and tell them to "Knock it off."

I'm slightly confused as to why some people are under the impression that the "tone-down-the-Sisters-models" camp wants to perform a double mastectomy on every Sisters model ever.

We don't want to remove the breasts, we want to tone down the breast armor.

SaintHazard wrote:I'm slightly confused as to why some people are under the impression that the "tone-down-the-Sisters-models" camp wants to perform a double mastectomy on every Sisters model ever.

We don't want to remove the breasts, we want to tone down the breast armor.

Less "Breast" More "Plate"?

gendoikari87 wrote:has anyone noticed lately how in anime the current trend has gone over, way over, to the big boobs, OMG I want to *** up the main character? I mean I don't see anything wrong with accentuating certain aspects to draw in attention but it seems that's all that anime has with it now. They are all focusing on the sexual aspect and have nearly abandoned the story line. I remember a time when story mattered, back in the 80's and 90's when Gundam and eva came out, the story lines were rich and meaningful with sprinkles of real tech in them as well as philisophical debate.

I remember back in the 80s and 90s when I saw my first anime tentacle porn, it translates as "Day of the Demon" IIRC. There was a guy in my gaming crew who really liked that stuff, and now that I think of it he was actually extremely creepy though he seemed OK at the time. I have a hard time hearing you talk about "deep" story lines when the first old anime that comes to mind involves a slightly different kind of 'deep'.

BearersOfSalvation wrote:I think you're showing insufficient faith in the power of high explosives.

Because some times you want to keep that building and use it yourself... Some things have to be done with finesse.

Yes, a clear case of insufficient faith, "finesse" is just a fancy way of saying "you didn't blow up enough the first time".

Lord Harrab wrote:

SaintHazard wrote:I'm slightly confused as to why some people are under the impression that the "tone-down-the-Sisters-models" camp wants to perform a double mastectomy on every Sisters model ever.

We don't want to remove the breasts, we want to tone down the breast armor.

Less "Breast" More "Plate"?

Just when you thought this faction couldn't sell any less models . . .

Monster Rain wrote:Lies! Next thing you'll be telling me that they didn't fight Orks or use magical powers to become invulnerable.

WTF, my high school history teacher has a lot to answer for if this is true. Do you have a source proving that they didn't?

Yes. Heres why!
Because of all the Sexy Slaaneesh Models the Imperium needs some cheerleaders! Thats where the Sisters of battle come in.
They were great for their age! But now they are showing their age completely. That is why I believe they should make better looking models. And they should really look kinda of like how our women look today. Not like 20's women.

Lucid wrote:I wonder how many people here have ever seen the lingerie football league . . .

I remember secretly watching the GLOW on TV in my teen years and switching the channel whenever my mom came near the room. While I haven't seen the lingerie football league, I imagine the outfits had a lot in common with what the Gorgeous Ladies of Wrestling wore back then.

Manchu wrote:

Lord Harrab wrote:

SaintHazard wrote:I'm slightly confused as to why some people are under the impression that the "tone-down-the-Sisters-models" camp wants to perform a double mastectomy on every Sisters model ever.

We don't want to remove the breasts, we want to tone down the breast armor.

Less "Breast" More "Plate"?

Just when you thought this faction couldn't sell any less models . . .

Are you kidding? I have a sneak peak of the new SoB model range!







Now that's more like it!

SaintHazard wrote:I'm slightly confused as to why some people are under the impression that the "tone-down-the-Sisters-models" camp wants to perform a double mastectomy on every Sisters model ever.

We don't want to remove the breasts, we want to tone down the breast armor.

Probably because the pictorial examples of what you're looking for that have been provided so far do just that. I honestly couldn't pick the female judge, and I agree that if the elf anime character or whatever that is had a butch haircut, I'd think it was just an anime dude.

Personally, I don't care one way or the other what GW does with the new Sisters line, as I don't play them and don't know anyone who does, so it's not going to affect me. However, I certainly do buy the argument that it takes some emphasis on the feminine to make 28mm models clearly female when you're looking at them from a couple feet up. And I'm fine with that. They're nowhere near the usual female fantasy armor, and kvetching about corsets seems a little odd.

The female form is a miracle of nature and besides all GWs models are scuplted in 28mm "heroic" proportions that means heroic bewbs too =)

Question: What if they just had the corset removed and replaced with armor similar to the rest of the Sister's?

That way, they'd still be identifiably female while not looking as much like whores.

They really don't look at all like whores. I don't know where people even get this idea.

Manchu wrote:They really don't look at all like whores. I don't know where people even get this idea.

I think it might say more about the viewer's hangups than about the model.

Corset style clothing is actually rather popular, if the catalogs that I used to deliver are any indication...

Lol. Sisters of Battles Look Like nuns thats about it.

Seaward wrote:Probably because the pictorial examples of what you're looking for that have been provided so far do just that. I honestly couldn't pick the female judge, and I agree that if the elf anime character or whatever that is had a butch haircut, I'd think it was just an anime dude.

Personally, I don't care one way or the other what GW does with the new Sisters line, as I don't play them and don't know anyone who does, so it's not going to affect me. However, I certainly do buy the argument that it takes some emphasis on the feminine to make 28mm models clearly female when you're looking at them from a couple feet up. And I'm fine with that. They're nowhere near the usual female fantasy armor, and kvetching about corsets seems a little odd.

The female judge was the second one from the right. I picked her out in a matter of seconds. Clue: she had breasts, none of the others did. It honestly couldn't have been more obvious. I suppose they could have hung a sign over her head saying, "LOOK! TITTIES!" but it'd be far from necessary.

As for the anime chick, that's an example of armor that looks good and functional at the same time. Do you seriously need a pair of boobs to tell if someone's a chick or not? Is it that hard for you? If so, I recommend getting out more.

The female body differs from the male body in more ways than just breasts. Wider hips, slimmer waist, narrower shoulders, legs that taper more definitely as they descend, a slighter frame overall, a thinner less muscled neck, less defined arms, a narrower face, more delicate hands and feet - need I go on? There are fifty billion ways to tell if a chick is a chick. If a dude looks like a chick, that's not my fault, but it shouldn't confuse you THAT much. If it does, you've got bigger problems than we can address in this thread.

Manchu wrote:They really don't look at all like whores. I don't know where people even get this idea.

"Corset = Whore" appears to be hard-wired in to some folks' brains.

Seaward wrote:

Manchu wrote:They really don't look at all like whores. I don't know where people even get this idea.

"Corset = Whore" appears to be hard-wired in to some folks' brains.

Take this strumpet for an example. Wait a minute...