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k thanks.. a rocketeer is just 1 in a blister right? will it be 3 of the same exact sculpt? I've only seen the one beardy lookin guy

Necros wrote:k thanks.. a rocketeer is just 1 in a blister right? will it be 3 of the same exact sculpt? I've only seen the one beardy lookin guy

That is the case, yes.

I've never played any PP games so all i can comment on is the models, which I've seen, and the setting which has been described to me by fans. both seem pretty lackluster to me
1. all metal models=zero conversion
2. anime/cartoony looking characters
3. no grimdark
i mostly play 40k and necromunda, both of which appeal to me mostly because i enjoy the setting. theres nothing in any of the PP games that pulls me in the way the 40k universe does. dull generic anime/fantasy setting+a brilliant ruleset does not equal a game that i would want to play.

Maledictus wrote:I've never played any PP games so all i can comment on is the models, which I've seen, and the setting which has been described to me by fans. both seem pretty lackluster to me
1. all metal models=zero conversion
2. anime/cartoony looking characters
3. no grimdark
i mostly play 40k and necromunda, both of which appeal to me mostly because i enjoy the setting. theres nothing in any of the PP games that pulls me in the way the 40k universe does. dull generic anime/fantasy setting+a brilliant ruleset does not equal a game that i would want to play.

Thank you for an arbitrary opinion based on wrong information and hearsay justifying a conclusion that is not represented in your preferred game system.

Great post. <--- not a leadership test

I have played both WM/H in the MKI editions and initially I was excited about the game. The minis seemed cool and well made, some sculpts were bad but overall they were improving and still are today. Yet both times I tried getting into the games once for WM and once for Hordes my interest just fizzled. I have narrowed it down to a few reasons that I lost interest.

1- Scope/Scale just wasn't big enough for me. Story wise yes countries embroiled in was on many fronts, with foreign invaders form all sides really cool. Lead an army with one of the nations best at its head (the war caster) AWESOME! Then you actually play the game..... No big army just 3 - 8 units sometime more but usually not. Just another skirmish game, ho-hum.

2- Game play, There is just to much focus on abilities for every unit. You have to know how other armies play better than you know your own army.

3- The other players, where I gamed every WM/H player hated GW games. They expected you to drop those games and play exclusively PP- press gangers indeed.

Maledictus wrote:I've never played any PP games so all i can comment on is the models, which I've seen, and the setting which has been described to me by fans. both seem pretty lackluster to me
1. all metal models=zero conversion
2. anime/cartoony looking characters
3. no grimdark
i mostly play 40k and necromunda, both of which appeal to me mostly because i enjoy the setting. theres nothing in any of the PP games that pulls me in the way the 40k universe does. dull generic anime/fantasy setting+a brilliant ruleset does not equal a game that i would want to play.

1. No, they are not all metal. And no, there are conversions... plenty. You should really look at the Painting/Conversion section on the PP site....hell, look here:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/321316.page
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/327012.page

2. So? Orks do cartoony as well, Nurgle has comical models as well...TAU much for the anime part? Edward and Jacob Marines pass cartoony into the realm of comedy.

3. Sure...but GW has had a longer head start mind you. In addition, the Grimdark has become a joke. Skorne is pretty hardcore, and the fluff they have is much more exciting than Blood Angels and Necrons giving each other a slap on the ass.

I agree that Necromunda is awesome... just not as great when the company ignores it.

Pael wrote:3- The other players, where I gamed every WM/H player hated GW games. They expected you to drop those games and play exclusively PP- press gangers indeed.

I had this problem in my area. They didn't just hate GW games, they would sit off to the side and talk crap about the people who played them, over generalizing until every one was an unwashed, untalented neckbeard. It's why when I first made a start into Warmachine, I converted my Cryx figs into Necrons, just to troll them. It worked quite gloriously and garnered much quality rage for awhile. Over this past year it's greatly calmed down, they don't have that level of hate anymore. A couple of the GW players now play Warmachine, and one of the staunchest GW haters, the guy I heard most bashing it and it's players, now owns Tau, Bretonian and Skaven armies.

Maledictus wrote:I've never played any PP games so all i can comment on is the models, which I've seen, and the setting which has been described to me by fans. both seem pretty lackluster to me
1. all metal models=zero conversion
2. anime/cartoony looking characters
3. no grimdark
i mostly play 40k and necromunda, both of which appeal to me mostly because i enjoy the setting. theres nothing in any of the PP games that pulls me in the way the 40k universe does. dull generic anime/fantasy setting+a brilliant ruleset does not equal a game that i would want to play.

1. Your first point is funny and wrong. If you been in the hobby longer than 5 minutes then you've had no choice but to learn how to convert metal models. Plastics were rare in the beginning. It is a skill I recommend learning to get the most out of your hobby.

2. You've been misled on the background story. If you don't like fantasy steampunk, that is okay, but the story is not lackluster at all. The Warmachine background is more complex than 40k's. Each of the factions has a legitimate reason for pursuing the goals they are.

3. And better for it. 40k has jumped the robot shark on its cardboard grimdark. The 40k universe has all the depth of the Heavy Metal album cover it is based on. And this is coming from someone who plays 40k more than Warmachine.

I love how someone isn't even allowed to have an opinion anymore.

Everybody's allowed to have an informed opinion.

By Maledictus' own admission, his isn't.

bs. Everyone is allowed to have an opinion. Choosing for it to be informed or uninformed is a right as well. Informed doesn't change the fact that sometimes, you just look at something and go, "That's fething ugly.", either.

The OP did specifically ask for the opinions of WM/HD fans, so making an uninformed
opinion in the context of this thread isn't really helpful.

Truth. I was OT.

I think Grizgrin just wants to get to 3000 posts , I kid.
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I was not interested in podcasts for 40K, but after trying Warmahordes, I jumped right into 6-7 of them.

In general, I feel the atmosphere of friendly competition more than in 40K games where you almost 'have' to settle if the game you are playing is friendly or competitive...at least in my area and on the net.

That's what I've been attracted to- it seems that there's not such a rift between friendly/competitive as there is in warhammer. Where I play fantasy, there's 2 scenes (friendly and competitive) with almost no cross-over... well, other than myself (imho, of course)

After reading this thread and others, I decided to dive into Hordes. Just got my first demo game in last night (thanks to the guys at Dream Wizards for running it!!) and am going to be ordering some models this week

I think that's because competition is basically built into the WM/H ruleset; the assumption is that you play to win, and the books all seem to exhibit, more-or-less, internal and external army balance.

You can build yourself a bleeding edge competition list, or you can build yourself a funsy 'I like these models list', and the disparity is going to be a lot narrower than in 40k.

In 40k there's no crossover because if player skill is roughly similar, the former will facestomp the latter.