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I think I finally found out what I don't like about Matt Smith (apart from his face that is )

The 10th Doctor did his best to save people. And it almost killed him every time when he couldn't do it. To him, life in every form was something precious he had to protect it.

The 11th Doctor on the other hand... he just does it. Because it's what he does. He's not defined by the what and why he does, but just by the fact that he is. I can accept that his current, less emotional form, is more like the old one. But I don't like him that way as much as I liked Tennant.

Also, nothing dies on screen in that last series nor are any corpses shown...

I bought the first 2 Soundtrack CDs. The music for Doomsday is fantastic!

Watched Cold Blood. That was sad.

But I'm looking forward to the new ugly Tardis getting blown to pieces.

The tardis has gone through so many changes, i think this one is one of the best.

I hate it! It's so shiny and colorful. The last Tardis had character! Smith's Tardis looks weird.

And why does it need stairs?!

Ahk, I wish I had seen this thread sooner.
I would just like to say that Baker beats all the others. He had class, humor, an awesome voice, an awesome scarf, jelly babies, and a funny smile. He set the standard for all following doctors ...Tennant was still good though. He gets 2nd . I also really think they need to up the fear factor on the Daleks who used to be the most awesome villains. Lately they've been thwarted a little too easily and the weeping angels may surpass them....
Matt Smith grows on you after a while. It helps to watch the behind the scenes and see his funny character. "Fez's are cool"
I'd say he gets 3rd or at least close to it
I thought his tardis was kind of a funky, cool weird, not like a bad weird.

Wow. I've just watched 3 episodes in a row. And now I'm going to finish the season.

The scene with the Doctor shouting in the sky was pretty cool. But it would've been better with Tennant.

Okay, so I've finished the season, next up is the christmas special.
I'm warming up to Smith, the whole part where he randomly teleports through time was pretty funny. Still miss Tennent though.
The Pandorica was a pretty cool idea, though I hope we'll see Smith interact with a few of Tennent's supporting character's like Sarah Jane or the always awesome Captain Jack.

Everyone's favourite Doctor is the one when they watched it for the first time, so mine is Jon Pertwee.

I dunno, I didn't start on Smith and he's my favourite. He's getting better scripts than Tennant, which is a lot of it for me. Plus I'm interested in the more wierd and alien bits of the Doctor's personality.

Kilkrazy wrote:Everyone's favourite Doctor is the one when they watched it for the first time, so mine is Jon Pertwee.

First watched Dr who with Tom Baker then watched the new series with Christopher Eccleston and THEN Tennant yet Tennant is easily my favourite.

My first was Peter Davison, who I found likeable but fairly forgettable (unlike Tegan... /happynoise).

Then came Colin Baker and I hated him.

Then, last of the firstwave Doctors, Sylvester McCoy, who remains my favourite Doctor and by far the most under-rated.

Of the new ones, Eccleston was like Peter Davison in terms of likeable but unmemorable, Tennant was ok but RTD's writing had started to make me ill. I'm really liking Matt Smith and I didn't think I would. I hope he's allowed to keep the alien distance and aloofness he's displayed, I'd hate to see him forced into that 'loveable messiah' bs they RTD made Tennant go through.

Da Boss wrote:I dunno, I didn't start on Smith and he's my favourite. He's getting better scripts than Tennant, which is a lot of it for me. Plus I'm interested in the more wierd and alien bits of the Doctor's personality.

You're the exception that proves the rule.

A lot of it is the scripts.

Kilkrazy wrote:Everyone's favourite Doctor is the one when they watched it for the first time, so mine is Jon Pertwee.

Well I first saw Christopher Eccleston but my favorite is Sylvester McCoy so that's not quite right

Also in the Tennant vs Smith debate, I'm enjoying Smith more, but it's because RTD isn't writing it anymore, I really hate how he wrote Doctor Who. Of the two Doctors themselves, Tennant's was a little too human for me, Smith actually seems to have that alien quality that Tennant lacked.

I think RTD's Doctor Who (at least with Tennant) was more of the Jo Grant era kiddy stuff rather than the more cult show how I prefer it.

The loveable messiah thing as MGS put it was terrible IMO. If Tennant had had decent writers he could have been one of the best Doctors, sadly I don't feel he was and that he suffered the same problem as Colin Baker. Their both good actors but were given gak writers (though Tennant is the better actor). Also I can't stand how with Tennant they seemed to try and make him into a Mary Sue tragic hero character, practically the same way they fethed up James Bond in 'Quantum of Solace'.

The Daleks really need to up the fear factor. In the classic series almost every time you saw them they were pretty terrifying, but in the new series not only do they survive in a Deus Ex Machina way (until the last episode) every time their supposedly 'destroyed' but their not scary at all. The only time since the revival they've been used properly IMO was in 'Dalek' with Eccleston.

The Cybermen are another problem, we need this universes Cybermen because there's only so many ways/times they can come from Pete's universe without just being cliche (it was bad enough when they appeared trapping the Doctor in the Pandorica).

The Master wasn't too good really, I didn't like how insane and almost hyperactive he was, and it'll be interesting to see how he can return without bringing back the Time Lords again. I loved Derek Jacobi's Master though. He lacked the class of the old Masters, especially Anthony Ainley.

The Ice Warriors have had their continuity messed up badly with the introduction of The Flood in Waters of Mars and with RTD having Tennant say that the Ice Warriors weren't around at that point, contradicting both Peladon stories.

The Silurians were done well, the problem was the villain in that episode was a crazy Welsh mother. I have no complaints about the Sontarans as they were portrayed as I hoped they would be, the Autons were also portrayed nearly perfectly.

The best new monster (controversially) was The Beast, and in fact was one of the best villains in Doctor Who history. The second best was the mysterious Midnight Creature, which is very disturbing as not even the Doctor had any idea what it was. The Dream Lord I found to be a great villain, being so similar to the Valeyard, he's one of the best new monsters.

The Weeping Angels were done pretty well, though now their out of existence we won't see them again and as a result they can't be overused and screwed up. The Krillitanes were another great species and I'd love to see more of them, same with the Carrionites, the Racnoss and the Gelth. The Ood are kinda overrated, they were good as the Beast's slaves though the red eye thing felt forced and their whole episode/slavery thing was kinda disturbing IMO.

The animal-humans are kinda hit and miss, the flies were good but the Judoon and the Cat-people kinda sucked. The Isolus was a surprise, I genuinely expected the episode to suck ass but I enjoyed it, a lot. The Trickster from Sarah Jane adventures was good but in a very sucky show and never allowed to evolve into the major villain he could be.

The Absorbaloff, the Giant Wasp and the Adipose are just plain jokes and honestly Doctor Who would be better if they were forgotten permenantly.

Now the Zygons, the Haemovores, the State of Decay Vampires and Yetis need to return and the Fairies from Torchwood as well as the Sycorax need more screen-time

I disagree about the Giant Wasp and the Absorbaloff.

I think it works well to have some lighter episodes and side stories. Doctor Who doesn't need to save the Earth every week.

The Olympics 2012 was another example of a side story which worked really well.

I thought the Vashda Nerada were very well done.

I thought the Weeping Angels were better when you never saw them move.

My nephews both think the Daleks are the scariest monsters though, maybe it's our age that makes them less scary?

I'm surprised how some people seem to hate Russel T. Davis. I loved every episode he wrote, especially the season finales. While I enjoy the show for the fun and the action, it's the emotional parts that really brings it home. Both the endings of Doomsday and Journey's End were the most emotional and saddest pieces of TV I've ever seen. And I love them for it.

Moffat's stories with Smith are still wacky and over the top. And I like that. Doctor Who can tackle settings and ideas that no other Sci-Fi could even approach and it works. Still, I just enjoyed Tennant's run so much more.
Someone said the Doctor isn't supposed to be relatable, that the audience should identify with the companions, but it's just not working with Amy and Rory for me.


Regarding the various adversaries:

The Daleks are easily my favourite. They work so well because they're never in more than 3 episodes per season, which keeps the threat-level high. But also because their just utterly hillarious.
"We have your associate" You will surrender!"
"No."
"What is the Meaning of this Negative? Explain!"

I have to say though, the "Mighty Morphin Dalek Rangers" are a bit ridicoulus. They're just not as threatening anymore with all those bright colors. At least it made sense how they came back.


Blink was a brilliant episode, but it also made it difficult to bring the Angels back in any form. While I agree that it seems a bit forced how they always bring the Daleks back in much more dangerous form then before, the Angels were practically unbeatable the first time they arrived. How Amy and the 11th Doctor managed to avoid them so easily is beyond me.

The Cybermen were great in The Age of Steel and okay after that. I loved the giant Steampunk Cyberking in The next Doctor, but more because it was a giant Steampunk robot and less because of the Cybermen themselves.

The beuaty and genius of the 10th Doctor are mainly due to Tennant's brilliant acting and off-screen persona shwoing through.

The previous doctor was a gakker and the the current one has no personality and seems to be 'faking it' and trying too hard.

@Kilkrazy Well the Wasp suffered from one thing, a terrible story which made little sense, was badly written and was just terrible all around, if the Wasp had a full episode it could have been ok. The Absorbaloff was ridiculous, if they hadn't made it so comedic, and so ridiculous it'd have been better. It was compared to the Slitheen which (in their first episodes at least) were pretty credible and effective villains, if the Absorbaloff had had writing like that and hadn't looked like the fat woman from Little Britain gone male and Green then it could have been good, but really the final result wasn't anywhere near it's potential

@DaBoss Evil of the Daleks or Genesis of the Daleks while the newer episodes, I don't know. For some reason the fact they seem so indestructible and also are so often used and easily defeated has kinda wittled away the fear factor for me

@Manchu, what's so abysmal about Destiny of the Daleks, it was an effective mixture of comedy and Sci-fi, it had the second appearance of Davros who'll always be one of the best villains in Doctor Who and it introduced the Movellans which were great Dalek enemies and a great idea

@Mr Mystery, yes the pyschic paper is a little too Deus Ex Machina

And the Dalek episode was utter trash! I struggle to think of a single redeeming aspect in that episode

Easy, the Daleks escaped, no more situational bs with one Dalek surviving everything the universe throws at it and resurrecting a new Dalek force only for it to be annihilated easily by some Deus Ex Machina anti-dalek bomb or some gak like that. We can finally have Daleks back properly

The Van Gogh thing seemed a little like they were trying to copy the success of the Dickens and Shakespeare episodes, and really it wasn't as good, but was still fun.

Amy Pond generally isn't a good companion in any way other than eye candy, TBH she almost reminds me of -shudder- Bella Swan at times, her only pro is that unlike Donna she isn't seemingly intentionally annoying, rather she's just a little useless and stupid

The best reason to like smith's doctor.



This awesome piece of music

youbedead wrote:The only reason to like smith's doctor.



This awesome piece of music

Fixed.

I like the fact that the Daleks are back properly and are busy off constructing an empire somewhere in time, it's alot better then the Dues ex Machinia gak. I'm slightly confused about the Cybermen at the moment though; are the cybermen we see in the season finale the ones we see with Tennant or are they older Cybermen from previous Doctors? They seem very high tech to be Tennants Cybermen.

Murdock129 wrote:Amy Pond generally isn't a good companion in any way other than eye candy, TBH she almost reminds me of -shudder- Bella Swan at times, her only pro is that unlike Donna she isn't seemingly intentionally annoying, rather she's just a little useless and stupid

Don't you dare make fun of Donna! She was brilliant!


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And yeah, the 11ths Doctor's theme is really one of the things that makes the character work. Once it starts, you know he's going to do something awesome.

That's your opinion, personally I found her unbelievably annoying and she just seemed like one of Catherine Tate's random characters dumped into Doctor Who, but if you like her then fine. Personally I didn't and never will like her

I prefured daved tennet to be hoenest because he was a lot like tom baker (who was an all time clisaic) matt smith is ok to me but i think it is because of the wirters!the latest fannlie was rurrained the first part was amaing and how they built up suspence but was completely rewained it but he is deffently a really good acter i really like his knew tardis (time and reltive demtion i space) the new them tune is prettey col and funkey!!!But the 4th series music was really good as well as the 3rd/2nd/1st too(by the way that the new series)proboly my favouit eposide for chrisafer elexsion is parting of the ways davaid tennet is journeys end (i just love davros in it !!!)and for matt smith it is the pandoricar opens pt 1 and for tom baker it is either gensis of the darliks or desteny of the darleks.either darliks or cybermen are my favuoit monster.

sorry for my bad spelling but i havent spelt all of those name for years!(too much warhammer 40k see!)but in my defence i have watched some recently too!!!


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youbedead wrote:The best reason to like smith's doctor.



This awesome piece of music

I find that them tune quite funkey but it does work!


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Anung Un Rama wrote:I bought the first 2 Soundtrack CDs. The music for Doomsday is fantastic!

same here!

Both Main Themes are great but this here is one the the absolutly best scores i've heard EVER



Regarding ST vs MS: I loved the DT episodes and can't understand that there are people who don' like RTDs writing, but MS ist a new Doctor so he can be as different as DT as he wants and I'm fine with it.
I finally got a few of the older doctors runs and am quite exited how they work in comparison

I think I now know why I didn't like Smith. He's not Tennant. That's pretts much the only reason now.

I just saw the Christmas Special. I love this series, even with the stupid new Doctor and his stupid large forhead and his stupid shiny new Tardis. It's Doctor Who. And it's still brilliant.

Anung Un Rama wrote:I think I now know why I didn't like Smith. He's not Tennant. That's pretts much the only reason now.

Exactly.