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Okay, according to the NFL the best 5 defenses are as stated:
New England-188pts
Pittsburgh-187pts
Green Bay-177pts
Chicago-162pts
New York(jets)-156pts
The packers lost the first time(17 to 20) and won the second time(10 to 3)so we can see the fact that both teams buckled down, but the packers can and have beat the bears by a wider margin.
Not to mention the fact that during the season the Packers averaged 257.8 yards per game with passing while the Bears pulled 188.4 yards so I give passing to the Packers. The Packers pulled 100.4 rushing yards and the Bears pulled 101.0 yards so the Bears barely get the edge there.
However the addition of James Starks gives an edge to the Packers, he ran for 100+ in the first game against the Eagles and continues to be an excellent running back.
So, we got a running back that we didn't have before while the bears have got nothing new this post season.
It will be a close game, but the Packers will definitely win.
halonachos wrote:
The packers lost the first time(17 to 20) and won the second time(10 to 3)so we can see the fact that both teams buckled down, but the packers can and have beat the bears by a wider margin.
The Bears rarely, if ever, left their base defense in that second game. They didn't show anything new and basically recycled the game-plan from the first meeting. Whereas the Packers, in a must-win game, ran a full game-plan and still only won by one score, at home.
You know, after two concussions in a season, it is much easier to suffer a third. (Ask Aikman or Young about that) If Rodgers takes a hit in the head early, then what? Cutler may have taken more sacks this season, but at least he didn't get his brains scrambled.
I think you need to look at a different stat line.
Chicago has the better rush defense, ranked #2 between Pittsburgh and the Jets, Allowed an average of 90 yards per game, but also allowing 14 rushing TDs, while forcing 15 fumbles. Packers allowed 115 ypg, 6 TDs, 6 fumbles.
Neither team set the field on fire with their rush offense... Chicago avereged 101 yards per game, with 10 TDs, GB averaged 100, with 11 TDs.
The only other stat on the rush side that works in Chicago's favor is Green bay has more rushing fumbles, 4 to Chicago's 1.
The Passing game is where this game will hinge.
The Packers (offense) are ranked #5 with 257 Yards per game and 31 passing Tds, and 13 interceptions. The Bears are #28 with 188 Ypg and 23 TDs, 21 Ints.
Packers are also ranked #5 in Pass Defense, allowing 194 yards per game, 16 TDs, while getting 24 interceptions. Bears are #20 allowing 224 ypg, 14 TDs and getting 21 Ints.
The numbers favor Green Bay.
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Rushing.... Pittsburgh owns this on the defense side (#1): 63 Yards allowed, 5 TDs, 5 forced fumbles. NY Jets (#3): 91 yards, 11 TDs, 12 forced fumbles.
Offensively... Jets are #4, averaging 148 yards per game, 14 TDs, 11 Fumbles. Steelers are #11, 120 Ypg, 15 TDs, 9 Fumbles.
Passing.... on Offense Steelers are ranked #14, 225 Ypg, 22 TDs, 9 Int. Jets, #22, 202 Ypg, 20 TDs, 14 Ints.
Defense: Jets are #6, allowing 200 Ypg, 24 Tds, and pulling in 12 Ints. Steelers are #12, allowing 214Ypg, 15Tds, and pulling in 21 Ints.
Turnovers are going to rule this game. Rushing is going to be almost nonexistant. And both have Interception issues.
As for Kickers.... They are about equal.... even at range... Jets are 2-5 from 50+, Steelers are 2-4 from same.
Pretty even match-up.. But Still backing the Jets.
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helgrenze wrote:
The only other stat on the rush side that works in Chicago's favor is Green bay has more rushing fumbles, 4 to Chicago's 1.
Oddly enough, turnovers are, by far, the most important stat. If I recall correctly, didn't the Bears win over the Packers come about due to a Green Bay fumble?
halonachos wrote:
But if you're arguing "Cutler will get sacked and Rodgers will get a concussion", that's pretty bad.
I'm not saying it will happen, just that it's not out of the realm of possibility. Two Seahawks left our last game on stretchers (I'd like to add, due to their own choices. The one guy jumped in the air as he was about to be tackled, and being hit in the air means you get spun about; he landed on his head. The other guy dove head-first while making a tackle. Leading with your head is never wise.)
You know, I've been to enough football games to know that anything can happen. I also know that home field can make a difference, especially in big games, especially between rivals, and especially in the finals. It will be a good game. I respect Green Bay, they're a good team, and this is easily the biggest rivalry in the NFL. I've got my tickets ready to go
Redbeard wrote:and this is easily the biggest rivalry GAME in the Playoffs so far.
Fixed that for ya.
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helgrenze wrote:Defense: Jets are #6, allowing 200 Ypg, 24 Tds, and pulling in 12 Ints. Steelers are #12, allowing 214Ypg, 15Tds, and pulling in 21 Ints.
I'll take the 12th rated pass defense over the 6th rated in that scenario, thank you very much.
But really, football is hard to analyze this way. For one thing, the teams don't have common opponents. For another, the stats don't necessarily indicate what you think. INTs can be like steals in basketball...sometimes they're a sign of good defense, other times they're a sign that you're gambling too much. Etc.
My personal rule -- especially come playoff time -- is to qualitatively look at which team best combines good quarterbacking and defense that's able to get after the other team's QB. And that indicates Steelers and Packers in the SB. Although it'll be interesting to see if GB can keep it up now that everyone's riding their jock. Not sure I'd want to be a road fave in a conference championship game.
Redbeard wrote:and this is easily the biggest rivalry in the NFL so far.
Fixed that for ya.
Didn't need fixing, thanks for trying. What bigger rivalry is there? Bears/Packers have played more games against each other than any other teams in the league, and date back the furthest. Bears have the most Hall of Famers, Packers second. Packers have the most NFL championships, Bears are second.
Longer..? probably not..... More intense? Steelers/Ravens is about as intense as it gets.
Then there is the whole NFC East, but that is a different story..... but why else do you think Dallas is classified as being "East"?
On another note.... We all know who's name is on the winners trophy... Right?
The Sainted (in Green Bay anyway) Vince Lombardi.... who was handed his only post season loss by Norm Van Brocklin and the Philadelphia Eagles.......
You think the lack of ultimate post season success for the Eagles could be the effects of some kind of curse?
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helgrenze wrote:Longer..? probably not..... More intense? Steelers/Ravens is about as intense as it gets.
Intensity comes and goes; some years a team is good, some years a team is bad. The Ravens have been around all of 15 years, and while I don't deny that they've had some good games against the Steelers in that time, that's all of 30 games, give or take. The Bears and Packers have played over 180 games.
Then there is the whole NFC East, but that is a different story..... but why else do you think Dallas is classified as being "East"?
Dallas is in the East because their original owner bought in at a time when the divisions were fairly balanced, and realized that if he got a team in the Central (as it was known back then), he'd share Minnesota, Detroit, and Green Bay - at the time three of the smallest market teams out there. So he made being in the East, and getting a share of the New York, Philadelphia and Washington markets a condition of buying in. As realignments have happened, the Cowboys owner has wanted to maintain that financial advantage. Obviously when you play against other teams each year, you get -a- rivalry, but if you think Dallas being in the East is due to rivalries and not money, you're being naive.
On another note.... We all know who's name is on the winners trophy... Right?
helgrenze wrote:Defense: Jets are #6, allowing 200 Ypg, 24 Tds, and pulling in 12 Ints. Steelers are #12, allowing 214Ypg, 15Tds, and pulling in 21 Ints.
I'll take the 12th rated pass defense over the 6th rated in that scenario, thank you very much.
But really, football is hard to analyze this way. For one thing, the teams don't have common opponents. For another, the stats don't necessarily indicate what you think. INTs can be like steals in basketball...sometimes they're a sign of good defense, other times they're a sign that you're gambling too much. Etc.
My personal rule -- especially come playoff time -- is to qualitatively look at which team best combines good quarterbacking and defense that's able to get after the other team's QB. And that indicates Steelers and Packers in the SB. Although it'll be interesting to see if GB can keep it up now that everyone's riding their jock. Not sure I'd want to be a road fave in a conference championship game.
It didn't help that Troy Polamolu missed several games this year, their D is so much better with him on the field.
Automatically Appended Next Post: This is one thing I don't like Packers & Bears fans bragging about: their teams successes in the 1920's. Not that it isn't important to their teams history, but it's completely irrelevant in today's game. "Do we have to hear another story about Red Grange and the wing-t?" It would be like Yale football fans bragging about 90 year old national titles that were won in an 8 game season.
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I think you have to give the Bears-Packers rivalry its due.
Steelers-Ravens are a recent thing. The old and natural rivalry is Steelers-Browns, which was a great and intense rivalry. Of course, the Ravens are the old Browns franchise...
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gorgon wrote:I think you have to give the Bears-Packers rivalry its due.
Steelers-Ravens are a recent thing. The old and natural rivalry is Steelers-Browns, which was a great and intense rivalry. Of course, the Ravens are the old Browns franchise...
I'm happy for you, though, and rooting alongside you. I much prefer the Steelers.
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