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I believe you'll find that C:WH had a space pope before Tau did. Inquisitor Karamazov.

He shares the general awfulness of his rules and mini with the Tau Space Pope.

No, I want a new space pope, a really old man with a large hat, the biggest in all of 40k, to denote his seniority.

Anything to lean away from the Inquisition and toward the Ecclesiarchy would be good.

Karamazov is lacking a hat. 'Tis a shame. I'd have to greenstuff one on if I ever fielded him.

In all seriousness, and on topic, I think there is a good chance that they will bring back the Ecclesiarchy units that we know and love from previous incarnations. This means that we may get one of my favorite special character models back (who is old and does have a big hat!).

The way things are going chances are that we will see the return of Uriah Jakobus and Redemptor Kirov, whose art back then was awesome:



"COME ON COMRADES, LETS RAPE THE FACIST AND STORM THE REICHSTAG! URA!"

Part of why I am so excited about a revamp is truly cool special characters like those two. I think 5th edition has done a great job in this, rekindling some of the old feeling that was lost in 3rd and 4th.

Was just looking at Kyrinov and he had Frenzy and was Immune to Psychology. Not sure what that was, but I want some.

BrookM wrote:The way things are going

What do you mean?

I think that was just a turn of phrase.

And i think he meant the way GW is scraping the bottom of the barrel in order to cram as many special charracters as they can in new codexes.

Oh, I had wondered if there was something beyond the rumor of a veil to support my desire for a greater emphasis on Ecclesiarchy (or rather just less on Inquisition).

HoverBoy wrote:And i think he meant the way GW is scraping the bottom of the barrel in order to cram as many special charracters as they can in new codexes.

You have a little something there on your shoulder. Might want to look into it.

What characters have they created that were 'scraping the bottom of the barrel' in this edition?

And how would bringing back some characters from 2nd edition be doing that?

Or am I just feeding a troll?

To be honest, if Uriah Jakobus, and redemptor Kirov were to make a return, I'd guess they'd get new miniatures.

Manchu wrote:Oh, I had wondered if there was something beyond the rumor of a veil to support my desire for a greater emphasis on Ecclesiarchy (or rather just less on Inquisition).

Speculation: There was a discussion earlier that the rumors of a veil signals more of a return to the 'nuns with guns' roots, which would also signify a greater emphasis on the 'nuns' part and that leads handily to Ecclesiarchy.

I'm with you, I love the Ecclesiarchy. Without stirring up trouble, I would love to see representation by the Sisters (all branches), Ecclesiarchy and Hereticus. Could make for a flavorful and strong book. Please don't let this be a start to the 'No inquisition in my SOB' hate though. Just mentioning it in passing.

There is nothing wrong with bringing back old characters, what really bugs me is the sheer number in the last few dexes.
I mean really tyranid special characters, it kinda makes me wonder what they have cooked up for crons.

ghosty wrote:To be honest, if Uriah Jakobus, and redemptor Kirov were to make a return, I'd guess they'd get new miniatures.

I hope not. They still stand up to the test of time for me.

Manchu wrote:

BrookM wrote:The way things are going

What do you mean?

The resurrection of old characters, like the Guard codex bringing back Kamir, Straken and Marbo.

Maybe we'll even see Praxedes again. That would be so badass... the only human known to have killed a Hive Tyrant in one on one combat.

HoverBoy wrote:There is nothing wrong with bringing back old characters, what really bugs me is the sheer number in the last few dexes.
I mean really tyranid special biomorphs, it kinda makes me wonder what they have cooked up for crons.

Special Characters give flavor to the army and, in 5th edition, allow you to further customize FOC, special rules, etc to create a unique force. What's wrong with having more of those? Choice is bad?

Also, Tyranids don't have 'special characters' like other armies do, they have gene templates or biomorphs that are particularly useful.

Thing is, its not fun that you are required to take Chapter Master Icarus if you want an all assault marine army, or Captain Harley Kawasaki if you want a biker army.

So far, they haven't done that. I know those are off the top of your head, but you can do all assaulty multiple ways and bikers are a generic captain.

Not being able to play 'twinlinked flamer/melta' marines without Vulkan doesn't strike me as too big a cross to bear.

aka_mythos wrote:

MajorTom11 wrote:Don't know if it's been said before, but Hospitalers are Soriatas, just not a millitant order. So still a sister.

Sororitas yes. I'm not definitive on this. The fine distinction I was making was that though they're all part of the same larger organization Ecclesiarch and the Ordo Hereticus and that they are categorized as Sororitas that the "Sisters of Battle" are specifically the chamber militant of those entities, while the Sisters Hospitaller are not. They are another part of the "sisterhood" outside the combat-centric "Sisters of Battle."

Ordo Hospitalis and Ordo Dialogis are part of Adepta Sororitas and the latter is Chamber Militant of the Ordo Hereicus, so yes, Hospitallers are included as well. See also my "clarification" post on the matter.

Melissia wrote:Why should units that have assault weapons need relentless? Unless Dominions are given terminator armor or equivalents, or if they now take the place of Retributors, it doesn't make any sense.

Good point. Guess stickmonkey mistook them for retributor squad.

Manchu wrote:

BrookM wrote:The way things are going

What do you mean?

Manchu wrote:Oh, I had wondered if there was something beyond the rumor of a veil to support my desire for a greater emphasis on Ecclesiarchy (or rather just less on Inquisition).

All recent Codices featured a comeback of old plus introduction of new characters, most with special army wide rules for army customization. So we should expect the same for Sororitas.
Early rumours on Sororitas also said that the Codex WILL have a focus on Ecclesiarchy. No more details or confirmations though.
Except the confirmation that Jes Goodwin is sculpting many of the models and has some delay due to difficult modelling of cloth (->veils)

So I'm guessing there will be different sisters to tackle those things then.

Sister Spicy for all your flamer and melta needs.

Sister Naughty for Repentia stuff.

etc.

pretre wrote:Special Characters give flavor to the army and, in 5th edition, allow you to further customize FOC, special rules, etc to create a unique force. What's wrong with having more of those? Choice is bad?

Ahh this is where you are wrong, it isn't really choice it's an illusion of choice, GW say you can have this special army but it can be led by this guy with this gear and no options.
To have true choice for "flavor" and "customised FOC" you need more options in the way of: captains on bikes, warbosses and nobs, meks and dreads, gaunts and tervygons. These are true examples of customised FOC, that still allow you to have the commander/charracter you created rather than running someone elses creation.
I guess some of us enjoy making our own charracters with their own narrative too much. I do like the extra fluff we get out of specials tho, when it isn't uber ridiculous that is.

pretre wrote:Also, Tyranids don't have 'special characters' like other armies do, they have gene templates or biomorphs that are particularly useful.

Yea i say potatoes you say tomatoes, no matter how you call them they're breeding like rabbits

Actually, they are going the SW route.

Sister Soeur of the Sister's Sorority. Armed with Sister Blade and Twin-Linked Sisters Pattern Plasma Pistol.



Speculation: Again, seriously though, they will probably have at least one of each: Sister, Ecclesiarchy and Hereticus character to do wacky FOC stuff. Plus a few just for flavor.

@Kroothawk: I though the cloth difficulties were with sleeve cuffs (issues with posability) and have never heard about veils until this thread. Veils don't excite me. Visually, they don't connect with gothic, Christian-inspired imagery.

@Melissa: I'd like to see Sisters characters that aren't dead -- i.e., they were awesome but not awesome enough not to die.

All characters will die eventually, be it by old age or in battle.

Or GW going under you mean?

The point is, having SCs who are already dead is a bit crap -- unless you're on board with seeing Sisters as having only the one tactic: kill it til you're dead.

There is 10,000 years between the Heresy and the "current" timeline. The mix of dead and living characters in the codices makes sense to me.

Its much easier to give every army iconic special characters if they don't all live concurrently.

Otherwise every battle in the current fiction would have to involve the "best of the best" leaders from every army, every time. Boring. Then no-one is special.

Yeah a new Space Pope model would rock.

Manchu wrote:Or GW going under you mean?

The point is, having SCs who are already dead is a bit crap -- unless you're on board with seeing Sisters as having only the one tactic: kill it til you're dead.

Even back then they had "dead" characters in their codex books: IG had Macharius, Dark Angels had Naaman, Astartes had Cortez.