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Last time I checked Japan was still part of Asia so "technically" AesSedai is correct. But then too Kilkrazy you are correct as Japan isn't in the Southern Hemisphere.....but really

Insaniak - it was the conversation about geographic restrictions. And UK is most definitely part of the EU - its why we can booze cruise to the continent, no duty between EU countries

We're just not part of Schengen (no need for passports when you travel between certain EU countries) or the Euro.

Gw, as copyright and trademark holders, can control the export and import out of the EU of their products for anything other than *personal* use. While you certainly could try the "its not me, honest" method of setting up multiple traders, given GW can sue each individual (not jsut a "stop it", but actual monetary costs) company doing so it would get very expensive. It would not be worth the hassle.

Kroothawk wrote:How about this: GW Germany just decided that independent retailers are only allowed to order once per week from GW!
If you sell too many GW products, you are naughty, deserve a punishment and need to be stopped immediately!

That's one way to look at it.

It's not actually at all uncommon for wholesalers to have a set order day on a weekly basis. It's nothing to do with 'punishing' retailers for selling their product... it's just a way of trimming down transport costs and managing warehouse labour.

All it means is that retailers need to be a little more savvy about thier ordering.

There are plenty of things that GW do that are worthy of scorn, but this really isn't one of them.

I thought weekly ordering was standard, my old shop only got a delivery once a week. His complaint was that it's wasn't consistent.

Lord of Deeds wrote:

rattman wrote:My little birdy tells me thats it going to be a 2 part announcement.

First will be that they are restricting as per the OP thread
Second will be that they are reviewing pricing annually and adjusting based on currency fluctuations. So that everyone should be paying approx the same per item regardless where ever they are in the world.

Even if the second is true. There are plenty of freight forwarders who have american/uk addresses and then will forward the order to you for a very reasonable cost

So we can anticipate OZ seeing a modest price reduction, the UK a modest increase, the Euro a modest reduction and the US a huge increase.

If OZ had a 40% price drop to match the UK prices I would not need to order from the UK & it would have to drop by only 33% to match US prices

OZ Terminator squad
cost AU 74.00
US Dollars 78.25 US GW 50.00
Pounds 48.31 UK GW 27.70

If the UK or the US had to pay OZ prices there would be nerd blood on the streets.

Sephyr wrote:

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Mad4Minis wrote:I would think its more geared towards South America. Many of those countries are notorious for lost mail/packages. Tracking within those countries is non existant, so if a package goes missing, it stay missing. Ive even heard tell that some of the more corrupt/socialist countries actually open any foreign packages coming in looking for anything they might want. If the post people find something they like, your package disappears.

Not to disturb your comfortable world of wonder and hearsay, but among my gaming club Maelstrom has a sterling record. Packages can take a long time, but they always arrive; the only major hitch we had was during the big volcano-sprinkling-plane-killing-ash episode, and that was not cause by our Stalinist overlords.

And even if it was, wouldn't that be something to be dealt with by the stores themselves (with a simple 'We do not ship to Brazil on account that you guys suck') rather than a top-down imposition by Games Workshop?

Ah, my mistake, I wasnt aware Brazil was the end-all be-all of South America. Next time I want to know how things work in say, Columbia, Ill reference Brazil and should be all set.

Kroothawk wrote:How about this: GW Germany just decided that independent retailers are only allowed to order once per week from GW!
If you sell too many GW products, you are naughty, deserve a punishment and need to be stopped immediately!
Need I say that we have a new GW sales manager in Germany for a few weeks with this one of his early decisions?

Bah! That's nothing new. Maelstrom have been suffering under such an order for a very long time.

On the bright side guys if this happens you'll be able to buy yourselves a nice new car instead of GW models

Hmmm...have been thinking about picking up a Dreadknight for my fledgling GK army....

At current conversion rate...

Maelstrom = AU $45.50 (free postage.)

GW Oz = AU $90.00 (not including postage if I get it from mail order.)

IF announcement on Monday is as suspected... NET RESULT FOR GW = 1 DREADKNIGHT NOT SOLD...

Wouldn't you think that any sale is better than none at all?



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Void_walker wrote:Off topic...

What is this? Geography according to Risk?

Not long now till we find out
I honestly think if they do reprice, it will be so UK and US prices matches Aussie prices.
I mean can any of you honestly see them dropping Aussie prices to match them to the far cheaper prices in other countries?

Honestly this shouldn't have been an issue in the first place,if they had properly priced aussie products. Instead we get a hamfisted attempt to fix a problem that they themselves created!

Kanluwen wrote:

It did a decent job of cleaning out the discounters that never filled orders though.

No it didnt. Nor was the policy set in place for that reason. Thats sheer BS.

Actually if I remember right they did do that, then never updated it, assumed all currencies are absolutely static and gave everyone a global price increase until it became as accurate as if they just put on a blindfold and threw some darts at a chart on the wall.

Still it will be interesting to see what they decide to do. I doubt they'll be as stupid as some seem to think. If they adjust the price it means I'll probably end up buying more as I can't get any SoB from Maelstrom and buying them directly from here is about $3-4 more expensive than buying a Baneblade from Maelstrom...

Asuron wrote:Not long now till we find out
I honestly think if they do reprice, it will be so UK and US prices matches Aussie prices.

The price increase would be colossal, it isn't a few pounds on a box it's 30-40%. It would shake even their most loyal customers and startle parents who buy stuff for their kids, which is where a fair bit of money comes from. If they did do this people would simply give up the hobby, price increases are usually incremental to get customers to adjust, you don't make huge increases. Remember the fuss when the realm of battle board shot up in price? Imagine that... for everything. I can't believe they would do a price increase of this magnitude, hell maybe they would but it would be suicidal IMO.

If we're guessing as to what might be going on, I assume they are not going to announce that GW has been sold off or something so that the company will change hands? That's about the wildest guess I can make.

I think it's time to have a Sidney Warhammer Party... Throw dem crates overboard!

Naw but srsly... ebay? I imagine sellers may start trying to make some money by selling on discount stuff from the North on to you Aussies?

Henners91 wrote:I think it's time to have a Sidney Warhammer Party... Throw dem crates into SilverMK2's house!

Fixed that for you

Howard A Treesong wrote:

Asuron wrote:Not long now till we find out
I honestly think if they do reprice, it will be so UK and US prices matches Aussie prices.

The price increase would be colossal, it isn't a few pounds on a box it's 30-40%. It would shake even their most loyal customers and startle parents who buy stuff for their kids, which is where a fair bit of money comes from. If they did do this people would simply give up the hobby, price increases are usually incremental to get customers to adjust, you don't make huge increases. Remember the fuss when the realm of battle board shot up in price? Imagine that... for everything. I can't believe they would do a price increase of this magnitude, hell maybe they would but it would be suicidal IMO.

If we're guessing as to what might be going on, I assume they are not going to announce that GW has been sold off or something so that the company will change hands? That's about the wildest guess I can make.

Oh I know it would be colossal, but given that for every release they've done they've ramped up the prices significantly with the noticeable except of Dark Eldar whose prices aren't quite as ridiculous, I honestly think UK and US Prices will take a collossal move forwards and perhaps Aussie prices go back a bit. Just fits with the way I think they operate, based of course purely on my own opinion

Who knows it might not be as bad as we think

AgeOfEgos wrote:Upon hearing the news, Privateer Press staff clinked champagne glasses and moved to Australia.

SilverMK2 wrote:

Void_walker wrote:Off topic...

What is this? Geography according to Risk?

Ah, Risk! My favorite game, although I haven't played it in years. And Australia was always "The Alamo" so to speak- only one way in and one way out...

£30 Tactical Squad box? £50 Land Raider? Character models at £12 each?

That would be a serious challenge to the price inelasticity of GW products, in the middle of a recession.

I once managed to have my GW default set to Australia when browsing the site. I saw the $103.00 price tag on the Land Raider, and $63.00 (WTF is it with 3 dollars?) for a Tactical Squad and wondered when they announced a 100% price hike. I was not at all surprised at the prices, I was surprised I hadn't seen a post about it here.

Personally, it's often cheaper for me to shop at Wayland or Maelstrom, even though I am located in the US, by virtue of the UK price being less on some things than the US price after taking conversion into account. Before it's mentioned, I drive an hour to shop at the FLGS near where I used to live once a month, and do the same at the more local store where I run the 40k league. With larger purchases I just prefer to get the biggest discount as opposed to a single box, or some paint.

If this rumor is true, it actually may discourage me from buying GW as well... I've gotten everything I need for my army, and the question was whether to save up / begin another. Come Monday, that answer may be laid out for me as a "yes" or "no"... because I don't know if I can take this kind of restriction, even if it doesn't affect US prices.

We'll see Monday...

the monday thing isnt this though is it?

I assumed this was just another iron in GW's DO WHAT WE SAY fire.

I thought monday was likely to be regarding resin etc.

Also what time is this "announcement" being made on monday?
anyone have any ideas?

On a bright note... a poster from Australia on Warseer (Eldargal, seems to be a girl, even if I don't believe those exist online) says "A friend of mine in Australia contacted Wayland about his order, said they seemed to be quite scornful of the idea and asked for his source (this thrad via me) so they could correct misinformation or something. "

A proper statement by Wayland would be awesome, but this is the best news about this matter so far! But up to now, no sign of Wayland on the Warseer thread.

I posted this on Warseer
Just to clarify, we have not been informed of any changes.

When we have them on Monday we will analyse them and if there are any significant changes will ensure that we communicate that 14 days is insufficient notice of major changes to established trading terms, which is an area of contract and not competition law we have advice on. And if any of the changes are we feel unreasonable will pass that feedback to GW.

At the moment my guys have been asked not to take part in speculation and wait until we cascade to them after the weekend.

One additional point I will make publicly is despite ourselves and Maelstrom working incredibly hard in selling GW products globally and having them not once offering any praise to us. Nor visiting us except to "police" their terms. We would be disturbed to discover if this was an action targeted at UK internet stores.

I notice a lot of Aussies stating they would leave the hobby if the rumour works out to be true....

Why not simply start another game?

This is what happens when you put all your eggs into one basket guys!

GW views it like this.....the internet complainers are only a small fraction of their audience.

Most GW fans are so fanatical about their products, they will continue to buy, no matter what the price or the hassle.

So for every person on the net who says enough, there are 9 other people who will buy less.

Instead of one item a month, they go to one item every 2 months. That 1 item a month might be say, 25 dollars from an online store. The item now bought every other month is now 60 dollars because of the markups. GW wins.

The only way GW will ever learn is if there were an actual competitor to their business. Privateer Press and Battlefront don't count.

Someone should find me a venture capitalist to start up a gaming company.

rich1231 wrote:I posted this on Warseer
Just to clarify, we have not been informed of any changes.

When we have them on Monday we will analyse them and if there are any significant changes will ensure that we communicate that 14 days is insufficient notice of major changes to established trading terms, which is an area of contract and not competition law we have advice on. And if any of the changes are we feel unreasonable will pass that feedback to GW.

At the moment my guys have been asked not to take part in speculation and wait until we cascade to them after the weekend.

One additional point I will make publicly is despite ourselves and Maelstrom working incredibly hard in selling GW products globally and having them not once offering any praise to us. Nor visiting us except to "police" their terms. We would be disturbed to discover if this was an action targeted at UK internet stores.

Thanks for this post, and I'm looking forward to what you can say more specifically next week.

Delephont wrote:I notice a lot of Aussies stating they would leave the hobby if the rumour works out to be true....

Why not simply start another game?

This is what happens when you put all your eggs into one basket guys!

No, this is what happens when the alternatives are inadequate. And don't say Infinity, not until they start charging less than two pounds a model.

AlexHolker wrote:

Delephont wrote:I notice a lot of Aussies stating they would leave the hobby if the rumour works out to be true....

Why not simply start another game?

This is what happens when you put all your eggs into one basket guys!

No, this is what happens when the alternatives are inadequate. And don't say Infinity, not until they start charging less than two pounds a model.

Sorry? So the only way you'll leave the suckling teet of GW is if the "alternative" is operating under a 1980's cost structure? For a start, Infinity only makes metal miniatures, and you tell me when last you could buy a metal GW miniature for less than two pounds a go? In fact, you tell me when last you could buy a plastic GW mini for less than two pounds.

If you insist on putting these unrealistic requirements on your hobby decisions, then sorry, you deserve everythig thats coming to you.

Hopefully others will see the wood for the trees, and realise there are alternatives to GW out there. Once they start getting the support they need, it won't be long before they rival the size and scope of GW.

Asuron wrote:Oh I know it would be colossal, but given that for every release they've done they've ramped up the prices significantly with the noticeable except of Dark Eldar whose prices aren't quite as ridiculous, I honestly think UK and US Prices will take a collossal move forwards and perhaps Aussie prices go back a bit. Just fits with the way I think they operate, based of course purely on my own opinion

Who knows it might not be as bad as we think

I don't think this speculation is particular good for GW, yet they've stoked it by announcing some announcement in the distant future and then misleading or refusing to tell people what the hell is going on, preferring instead to allow a lot of frantic and worried speculation to take over, among customers and retailers.

All this talk of switching over to resin and colossal price increases and preventing retailers sending stuff to certain parts of the world adds up to a lot of uncertainty. GW probably could have handled it better because I can't believe all these rumours are true but any of them could be hugely unpopular and damaging if they don't work out for the company.