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It does appear direct order will diminish very very fast, whether it's advanced order or just buying stuff in store. I know I've lately left cash and any cards behind so I don't spend anything instore.

As it is any models I want, well, Darksphere is where I'll get it from

Yep, Darksphere, Maelstrom, Wayland...

Cerebrium wrote:Yep, Darksphere, Maelstrom, Wayland...

...Gifts For Geeks...

samrtk wrote:

Cerebrium wrote:Yep, Darksphere, Maelstrom, Wayland...

...Gifts For Geeks...

... Total Wargamer...

I just noticed how few DE items are on the price increase list... that's welcome news, to me at least!

BOHICA

Does any one have the average price increase for these periods?

2005 going to 2006?

2006 going to 2007?

2008 going to 2009?

2009 going to 2010?

2010 going to 2011?

With some simple math and this years annual report its easy to see how much their sales have actually been hurting.

Since about 2001 when they started milking Marines absolutely, their income has decreased. So like idiots they're increasing the prices of everything and marketing Marines more. Stupid, much?

RiTides wrote:I just noticed how few DE items are on the price increase list... that's welcome news, to me at least!

You see I think this is just shrewd marketing, we know they've heavily invested in the new DE line, with all the plastics and design time etc, so I think they're trying to keep them as low priced as possible in order to shift more, in order to recoup the investment.

Quite why they believe nothing else deserves low pricing, I'll never know. Of course, outside of blogs etc, from my area of the world the DE don't seem to be shifting at all, purely anecdotal of course.

You dont HAVE to reprice your stock, however given your supply costs are going up as well you'd be mad not to; you'll be selling below cost on some items otherwise.

I can now say with certainty that me and my current gaming group have moved on from GW as a company, and away from 40K as a whole. After the years of customer abuse, and general disregard for the people who pay their salaries as a group we've decided the juice (more like acid) was not worth the squeeze(more like being stuck in an Iron Maiden).

To those of you who will continue to support them, I praise your sense of loyalty! And I vehemently hope that one day GW will be worthy of the fans who live and breathe their particular game.

This has gone on long enough for me really!

Will I stop buying from them? Yes. Will I stop playing 40k? Hell no.

/correct thread response

/thread

There are also a number of people who will substitute similar looking models. If you've already got the rules, you don't play tournaments, then why not?

Some guys here recently started a Necromunda campaign. A lot of the guys didn't want to pay the exorbitant of buying the gangs from GW. So they bought models from other companies that suited that gang. So they're playing GW's product, but GW gets no payment for it.

Some of these guys have long wanted to play 40k but the cost of it has put them off for years and years. They only recently bit the bullet and started collecting. It's not a far stretch for them to do what they did with Necromunda. If you're only playing with friends, they're not gonna mind if you say "that $10 tank of the same dimensions as a Leman Russ is a Leman Russ".

So 40k will be played...with no additional money going to GW. I know this will be a very small percentage of players, but it's still more people not buying GW because they're disgusted with what's happening and/or just outright can no longer afford it.

Rising prices and the new shipping policy, smells like GW is trying to monopolise the markets in the Southern hem...
What are they trying to do...

Darkvoidof40k wrote:Will I stop buying from them? Yes. Will I stop playing 40k? Hell no.

There's no reason to stop playing, just to stop buying. Or buying GW at any rate. I like the Warhammer universes and their fluff, I quite like their games too especially Necromunda and Space Hulk. The only difficulty sometimes is in finding players especially if you play an older version of a game, but there's plenty of joy to be had from GW products without continuing to buy from them.

Kanluwen wrote:Son of a. They're touching the Ravenwing Battleforce.

They've crossed a line!

How will you ever reconcile this division within yourself?

Darkvoidof40k wrote:Will I stop buying from them? Yes. Will I stop playing 40k? Hell no.

/correct thread response

/thread

I feel quite the opposite. I stopped playing 40k and Fantasy 2 years ago and it did wonders for my blood pressure. No more rules arguments, no more fretting over the ugly and/or expensive models I have to buy to stay competitive... now I just buy whatever I feel like painting if and when I have the cash and inclination. It's amazing how much easier it is to handle GW's bull if you think of them as just another miniature company amongst many and not the sole supplier of your plastic crack. They can only hurt you if you care.

I have gone back to Mordheim

I have gone back to Mordheim

That's the spirit

My brother and I just created our own sci-fi universe and are using whatever models we like such as Khurasan and Old Crow. There are so many rule sets out there that you can use, and many of them are much better than GWs. And of course you can decide your own limits, paint what you like, model what you like. And more importantly, your wallet won't need therapy.

Just been informed that the Sternguard fine cast unit will cost £25.50, up from £20.50. Good job that they've switched to a cheaper material !?!

How many infantry in that box?

Kilkrazy wrote:How many infantry in that box?

Probably still five.

10 plastic cadians for £18?, seriously you people still pay this price and believe it to be value for money?

1 crisis suit for over £15!?!, thats a joke right?

a valk or land raider for £41?

christ I'm glad my money isn't wasted on this pathetic company.

One thing I'm curious about but don't have the numbers to reference, is whether the products with higher price hikes haven't gotten any in a while.

What got me wondering about it was that a lot of stuff is having their prices unchanged for now, and that the Tactical Squad is going up by less than 10% in Canada, from 42 dollars to 45 dollars. The latter reminded me that between at least 5-6 years ago and now, the price of a Tactical Squad remained unchanged. After that length of time, even assuming a modest 3% inflation rate, a ~10% price hike is still well below inflation rates.

Albeit, there are examples I've heard about that blow that idea out of the water, the first being the AoBR set which has apparently gone up by over 50% in the past 3 years. Another would be the Imperial Guard plastic Infantry Squads, which have gone from 40 dollars for 20 to 35 dollars for 10 in the same time frame as the Tactical Squad example above, effectively a 75% price increase for the same number of Guardsmen. Both of these are well beyond inflation rates.

Still, it'd be interesting to at least look at the numbers since the products' last price 'adjustments.'

Not trying to apologize for GW though. They've done a lot of stuff I dislike, but I like their plastic crack more.

krionus wrote:@ Dark Sphere

Thanks for the heads up. Is there any chance you could run an infinity demo?

We've scheduled a whole pile of intro games and other such events so people can get a chance to see some of the other systems (Monsterpocalyspe, Flames of War, Dystopian Wars, Uncharted Seas, Firestorm Armada, Mantic, etc as well as some participation games for 40K and Fantasy.

Full schedule is on the events calendar on our shop page http://www.darksphere.co.uk/shop.php#calendar . The Infinity demo is scheduled for 2nd July and very shortly the entire Infinity range should be in store...

We've got lots more to add to the schedule including Malifaux demos, some more Warmachine stuff and probably a Blood Bowl event as well !

I have no ida if it's been discused before but if I remember correctly the AoBR box set has always been good value for money. So if they can produce a box set like this, why are the other box sets so expensive? If it's how the models are laid out on the spure then surely a change here could allow GW to drop their box set prices?

Personally I find a price of £1.50 to £2 not outrageously expensive for a multi-part plastic model of basic infantry. It's a lot more than equivalent historicals, but you are paying for the unique look of the models, and you don't need huge numbers of infantry for 40K unless you are IG, Nids or Orks.

The problem with 40K is that you need a bunch of much more expensive models as well as the basic troops in order to make an army.

Let's say you want to play Tyranids and you buy three Zoanthropes, three Hive Guard and three Venomthropes for your Elite slots. After the introduction of Finecost that will set you back £132.90, FOR NINE MEDIUM SIZE MODELS, and it isn't remotely a playable army.

Kilkrazy wrote:

Let's say you want to play Tyranids and you buy three Zoanthropes, three Hive Guard and three Venomthropes for your Elite slots. After the introduction of Finecost that will set you back £132.90, FOR NINE MEDIUM SIZE MODELS, and it isn't remotely a playable army.

less than $2

http://www.shopping.com/US-Toy-Toy-Insects/info

Are you in some way suggesting using those for the models he mentioned? You might as well just write unit names on pieces of paper at that point.