George Takei vs 'Don't Say Gay'

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**Revenent Reiko**

Lord-Loss wrote:
I didn't say I had a problem with people saying they're gay on facebook, it's just a bit stupid when someones profile clearly shows that they're gay and then they choose to put it in they bio. It's not something big but it irritates me a bit.

So what is that then?
EDIT: ninja'd, and epically, well said Chris

**Bakerofish**

i find it funny when people say that Gay people ram their preferences down other people's throats

aside from the obvious sex joke, these people forget that for centuries they've been doing the oppressive ramming of preferences

and to be honest, Gays have a healthier message to say than the current hetero agenda imho

Gay people champion "be yourself" "love yourself" while the hetero agenda fosters "you aint a man if..." and "lose weight so you can be prettier" etc...

just throwing that out there

**Lord-Loss**

ChrisWWII wrote:
Lord-Loss wrote:
I didn't say I had a problem with people saying they're gay on facebook, it's just a bit stupid when someones profile clearly shows that they're gay and then they choose to put it in they bio. It's not something big but it irritates me a bit.

Lord-Loss wrote:
It doesn't irritate me much, I never said it did.

The text speaks for itself.

My question to you is how can you know someone is 'obviously' gay? WHat? Stereotypes? See if he walks around like a Sassy Gay Friend? Your comment here is, to me, more offensive than anything ele you've said. How can you tell someone is OBVIOUSLY gay? My friends who are bi and gay both look and act like they're totally normal people. I have female friends who are completely straight, but their profile pictures have them kissing a close friend on the cheek. I have male friends who are straight, and their profile pictures show them sitting in other guys laps.

You really can't say that someone is 'obviously' gay, and what I want to know is what the hell your basing your definition of 'obviously' gay on. I mean, look at my dakka profile. My avatar is a frigging yellow and pink pony prancing along, does that make me OBVIOUSLY gay? Would I be obviously straighter if it was some macho Space Marine killing gak?

First of all, I said clearly, not obviously.

I was talking about on facebook and how it would be unnessicary to put something like "Scott. 20. Gay/straight" whatever in your profile when there is an option to put whether you're interested in men/women/both and it's displayed right under your bio.

Stop overreacting.

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Revenent Reiko wrote:
Lord-Loss wrote:
I didn't say I had a problem with people saying they're gay on facebook, it's just a bit stupid when someones profile clearly shows that they're gay and then they choose to put it in they bio. It's not something big but it irritates me a bit.

So what is that then?
EDIT: ninja'd, and epically, well said Chris

"Why does it irritate you so much?"

"Irritates me a bit"

It's not a massive deal, I don't instantly dislike someone if I see they've done it. It's just something i've never really understood. I feel the exact same way about people who put something like "Scott. 20. Straight" or something like that in their bio.

**ChrisWWII**

Clearly, obviously, whatever. I'm calling you out on falling back on semantics.

It seems that this is a change of tune, and earlier you were railing against people even saying they were gay on facebook.

BUt fine, change ever instance of the word obviously in my post to clearly if it makes you feel any better. That question still demands an answer, how can you tell someone is CLEARLY gay?

**Lord-Loss**

ChrisWWII wrote:It seems that this is a change of tune, and earlier you were railing against people even saying they were gay on facebook.

I really wasn't. I've said the exact same thing throughout the thread.

ChrisWWII wrote:But fine, change ever instance of the word obviously in my post to clearly if it makes you feel any better. That question still demands an answer, how can you tell someone is CLEARLY gay?

You can't and I never said you could.

**Monster Rain**

Bakerofish wrote:and to be honest, Gays have a healthier message to say than the current hetero agenda imho

Gay people champion "be yourself" "love yourself" while the hetero agenda fosters "you aint a man if..." and "lose weight so you can be prettier" etc...

Truly. Gay people put no stock in their personal appearance.

Tell me more about the hetero agenda.

**Revenent Reiko**

Lord-Loss wrote:
Revenent Reiko wrote:
Lord-Loss wrote:
I didn't say I had a problem with people saying they're gay on facebook, it's just a bit stupid when someones profile clearly shows that they're gay and then they choose to put it in they bio. It's not something big but it irritates me a bit.

So what is that then?
EDIT: ninja'd, and epically, well said Chris

"Why does it irritate you so much?"

"Irritates me a bit"

It's not a massive deal, I don't instantly dislike someone if I see they've done it. It's just something i've never really understood. I feel the exact same way about people who put something like "Scott. 20. Straight" or something like that in their bio.

well why even mention it then? If it is something that you dont understand, why not ask why people why they do it instead of calling it stupid.
And i want to know your answer to ChrisWWII's question as well, how do you decide who is 'obviously' gay??!!

**ChrisWWII**

Lord-Loss wrote:
I really wasn't. I've said the exact same thing throughout the thread.

ChrisWWII wrote:But fine, change ever instance of the word obviously in my post to clearly if it makes you feel any better. That question still demands an answer, how can you tell someone is CLEARLY gay?

You can't and I never said you could.

You've said that you believe that people should not advertise that their gay on facebook, later amending it to say that it was stupid to do so if they were clearly gay. This implies that you believe there is a way to tell if someone is clearly gay.

What is that way?

**Lord-Loss**

Lord-Loss wrote:
Fafnir wrote:
Lord-Loss wrote:
I feel the same way about people who put the fact that they're gay in their info bar on websites like Facebook, it's just stupid.

So I take it you dislike people who advertise that they're straight on facebook as well?

You can choose whether to display if you're "interested in women/men/both", there's absolutely no point in putting your sexuality in your info box/bar.

So yea, I think they're being a bit idiotic too.

By info box, I meant bio.

My first post wasn't very clear and badly worded but I have made myself clear since then.

ChrisWWII wrote:This implies that you believe there is a way to tell if someone is clearly gay.

Ummm, not really.

**Melissia**

You know, all this conversation, and I can't help but ask: If you don't want people to tell you about themselves, why the FETH are you looking at their GODDAMNED FACEBOOK PAGES? That's what a facebook page is FOR. Quit [censored] and stop using facebook if you don't like it when people talk about themselves. I hate facebook as much as the next sociopathic loner, but this is just stupid.

Honestly some people, grow up...

*now wishes she hadn't looked at this thread again after the last time she left it*

**Monster Rain**

Yeah, I don't get the whole "I don't know or even like this person but I'm friends with them on Facebook" thing either.

**themocaw**

I get irritated by gay people who constantly tell me how gay they are as well, but to be honest, it's the same level of irritation as the guy who won't shut up about the hot chick he picked up at the bar last night and banged in the alleyway, or the nerd who wants to tell me every detail about his Level 18 demon gnome wizard with a Staff of the Magi.

**rubiksnoob**

themocaw wrote:I get irritated by gay people who constantly tell me how gay they are as well, but to be honest, it's the same level of irritation as the guy who won't shut up about the hot chick he picked up at the bar last night and banged in the alleyway, or the nerd who wants to tell me every detail about his Level 18 demon gnome wizard with a Staff of the Magi.

Oh, please, tell me more about your demon wizard's staff! It is a very. . . stout staff, yes?

**Monster Rain**

I don't particularly enjoy listening to people carry on at length on any subject.

**Bakerofish**

Monster Rain wrote:
Bakerofish wrote:and to be honest, Gays have a healthier message to say than the current hetero agenda imho

Gay people champion "be yourself" "love yourself" while the hetero agenda fosters "you aint a man if..." and "lose weight so you can be prettier" etc...

Truly. Gay people put no stock in their personal appearance.

Tell me more about the hetero agenda.

*fish ignores bait*

**Monster Rain**

Bakerofish wrote:
Monster Rain wrote:
Bakerofish wrote:and to be honest, Gays have a healthier message to say than the current hetero agenda imho

Gay people champion "be yourself" "love yourself" while the hetero agenda fosters "you aint a man if..." and "lose weight so you can be prettier" etc...

Truly. Gay people put no stock in their personal appearance.

Tell me more about the hetero agenda.

*fish ignores bait*

It wasn't bait, it was a cheekily worded real question.

"Heterosexuals" are a pretty large group to organize an agenda around. I'm just wondering what you based your statements on.

I also just used the word "cheeky." I have been interacting with you folks across the pond so much it's influencing my vocabulary.

**rubiksnoob**

Monster Rain wrote:I don't particularly enjoy listening to people carry on at length on any subject.

Really? I actually quite enjoy getting into the meat of the discussion.

**Bakerofish**

@monster rain

popular media.

**Monster Rain**

Bakerofish wrote:@monster rain

popular media.

What specifically in the popular media led you to believe that heterosexuals are a monolithic entity with a cohesive agenda? Contrast this with the seemingly contradictory statements about the "hetero agenda" being disproportionately engaged with self-image when it is apparent in the same popular media that you cite that homosexuals are also capable of being concerned with their looks, weight, etc.

**Bakerofish**

@monster rain

1. while i dont think there is a "monolithic entity" globally you cant deny that there are certain prevalent themes and mindsets that pervade pop media. (How do we make this villian interesting? make him British! no thats been done. Lets make him a closet homosexual! Brilliant! )

I live in a mainly Catholic country and there IS a monolithic entity that is pushing an agenda using current media where I am. (The Catholic Bishops Conference of the Philippines. They push their weight on the government, media, everything. Even moreso with the big debate in the country being about Reproductive health)

The scary part about this is that a lot of countries are worse off than mine. Middle eastern countries and India spring to mind.

2. I never said that Gay people arent preoccupied with looks. Thats all you

**Monster Rain**

Bakerofish wrote:2. I never said that Gay people arent preoccupied with looks. Thats all you

No, when you say "Group A is better than Group B because Group B does something" it is implied that Group A doesn't do the thing that Group B does.

Either way, it doesn't matter. I understand where you're coming from much better now.

**Bakerofish**

im just surprised that didnt resort to name calling, nazi name dropping and cat memes.

**Monster Rain**

Bakerofish wrote:im just surprised that didnt resort to name calling, nazi name dropping and cat memes.

You forgot victim blaming.

Nah, when both parties are being reasonable it rarely comes to that.

**ChrisWWII**

Lord-Loss wrote:
By info box, I meant bio.

My first post wasn't very clear and badly worded but I have made myself clear since then.

I see what you're saying, and I apologize for not getting it sooner.
I still disagree with you though, and I fail to see any problem in a guy or girl saying that he or she's gay in her bio. I mean hell, in my bio I say I'm a geek and nerd, even though there are photos of me cosplaying right atop the screen.

Ummm, not really.

If you can say someone is clearly gay without them informing you of that fact, clearly you think there's some way to identify gay people. Agree, disagree?

**biccat**

ChrisWWII wrote:If you can say someone is clearly gay without them informing you of that fact, clearly you think there's some way to identify gay people. Agree, disagree?

Yes. There are ways of identifying gay people.

Take this picture for instance:

MOD edit: No, lets not

Do you think these gentlemen are homosexuals, without them explicitly mentioning that they are?

**dogma**

biccat wrote:
Yes. There are ways of identifying gay people.

Ways for you to identify them as gay, or ways in which they can identify themselves as gay?

Straight allies have a way mirroring conventionally homosexual behaviors, you know.

**Melissia**

You mean like the gusy that go "woot lesbians" every time two women who happen to be friends hug in greeting?

**biccat**

dogma wrote:
biccat wrote:
Yes. There are ways of identifying gay people.

Ways for you to identify them as gay, or ways in which they can identify themselves as gay?

Straight allies have a way mirroring conventionally homosexual behaviors, you know.

It was clearly a very poor attempt at humor.

There are certain circumstances where you can unquestionably identify someone as gay, particularly behaviors that even "straight allies" wouldn't engage in.

**dogma**

biccat wrote:
There are certain circumstances where you can unquestionably identify someone as gay, particularly behaviors that even "straight allies" wouldn't engage in.

I know straight people who have engaged in the activities that I believe you're referencing.

Melissia wrote:
You mean like the gusy that go "woot lesbians" every time two women who happen to be friends hug in greeting?

No, I mean straight people that march in gay pride parades wearing rainbow t-shirts and chaps of a particular sort.

**Kilkrazy**

Bakerofish wrote:i find it funny when people say that Gay people ram their preferences down other people's throats

aside from the obvious sex joke, these people forget that for centuries they've been doing the oppressive ramming of preferences

and to be honest, Gays have a healthier message to say than the current hetero agenda imho

Gay people champion "be yourself" "love yourself" while the hetero agenda fosters "you aint a man if..." and "lose weight so you can be prettier" etc...

just throwing that out there

I suspect the gay scene has just as much body fascism as the hetero media.

You don't notice it so much because there is less gay media around and hetero people don't read it much, because they aren't interested.

My office is on the floor above "Sweatbox, London's Premier Gay Sauna and Gym" in Soho.

As my brother sometimes says, "Just because you are a member of an oppressed minority, it doesn't mean you aren't an arsehole".