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MeanGreenStompa wrote:Apparently those amusingly stifled people in charge of Tennessee want to ban teachers from talking about homosexuality (because silence will be highly beneficial to any young people going through their sexual awakenings...) and George has had some thoughts on it.
I don't really care, but how about we talk about that math, English, History, and Government first? Too much focus on bs and not enough on 2+2=5.
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MeanGreenStompa wrote:Apparently those amusingly stifled people in charge of Tennessee want to ban teachers from talking about homosexuality (because silence will be highly beneficial to any young people going through their sexual awakenings...) and George has had some thoughts on it.
I don't really care, but how about we talk about that math, English, History, and Government first? Too much focus on bs and not enough on 2+2=5.
Out of curiosity, why government instead of the sciences?
The American government won't give the school boards enough money to have more than four subjects. But considering the cuts that have already been made to the budget, most students won't actually be able to count above four anyway, meaning there's no real loss to be had there.
They're not performing their God-given duty of populating the Fatherland for our Holy Wars, I guess.
Mind you a lot of the kinds of people who dislike gays are the people who believe that there are angry sky wizards who will one day levitate them into paradise if they tell others about him hard enough. Paradise is apparently somewhere between the stratosphere and the ionosphere. It must also have a cloaking field.
Who can fathom why they feel the way they do?
Someone's a bit salty(aka bitter).
Mind you some people just don't like homosexuals because they're homosexuals and some decide that religion is enough of a reason. Others include insecurity in one's own sexuality and ignorance about the transmission of certain diseases.
I personally don't like the homosexuals who decide that everyone should know and proclaim it at the loudest. In fact a friend of mine got upset over a homosexual wearing a T-shirt saying "I'm Gaylic". His mom's from Ireland and she was none to pleased either.
Seriosuly, most people don't give a feth about who you feth. And for those who do, there's George Takei: Emperor of the Rising Sun and invader of Soviet Russia.
If I were a member of a not-really-dangerous group which has been labeled evil and sinful through much of history and even today is regularly murdered for their preference of sex partners or spouses, I might be tempted to be so bold as to wear shirts which said things like "l'm gaylic". I'm devoutly proud of my Irish heritage, and while I love Gaelic, I can't take any offense at "gaylic". I admire the sense of defiance.
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Mannahnin wrote:If I were a member of a not-really-dangerous group which has been labeled evil and sinful through much of history and even today is regularly murdered for their preference of sex partners or spouses, I might be tempted to be so bold as to wear shirts which said things like "l'm gaylic". I'm devoutly proud of my Irish heritage, and while I love Gaelic, I can't take any offense at "gaylic". I admire the sense of defiance.
My aunt was beaten for being a lesbian and disowned by my grandmother, she didn't even announce that she was a lesbian to the guy who assaulted her and we didn't know that she was assaulted for being a lesbian until half a year before she died. Yet she stayed with her girlfriend to the day she died, she never was incredibly boastful about being a lesbian but still suffered from it, now that's defiance.
Most homosexuals now and days are lucky if the worst thing that happens to them is that they get offended by the usage of the word 'gay'. Some, like my mexican/black friend also go through a lot of stuff. For those who don't know, mexican fathers tend to frown upon homosexuality to the point that they beat their sons to the point of assault, so he hasn't told his father yet and is deathly afraid to.
I personally hate those who go out and think that they're being special by proclaiming it like its the world's business.
Yes, that would be lucky. Many get beat up. In sub-Saharan Africa, a common crime against homosexuals is "corrective rape". It's not as common in the US, but it still happens in first world countries.
And then there's the non-sexual assaults...
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Mannahnin wrote:If I were a member of a not-really-dangerous group which has been labeled evil and sinful through much of history and even today is regularly murdered for their preference of sex partners or spouses, I might be tempted to be so bold as to wear shirts which said things like "l'm gaylic". I'm devoutly proud of my Irish heritage, and while I love Gaelic, I can't take any offense at "gaylic". I admire the sense of defiance.
My aunt was beaten for being a lesbian and disowned by my grandmother, she didn't even announce that she was a lesbian to the guy who assaulted her and we didn't know that she was assaulted for being a lesbian until half a year before she died. Yet she stayed with her girlfriend to the day she died, she never was incredibly boastful about being a lesbian but still suffered from it, now that's defiance.
I give honor to your aunt, but that's not the same thing as defiance. She was being true to herself, but in the few details you've given I don't see defiance. The word defiance has a meaning. And the folks who advertise; who proudly and publically state who and what they and spit in the face of fear are are showing it.
halonachos wrote:I personally hate those who go out and think that they're being special by proclaiming it like its the world's business.
Perhaps if you had to walk a mile in their shoes you might think twice before being so disdainful and judgmental of them. Much less using words like "hate".
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halonachos wrote:
I personally hate those who go out and think that they're being special by proclaiming it like its the world's business.
You better stop telling women that they're attractive then.
You communicate your sexuality in myriad ways every day, most of them unconscious. Telling people that they shouldn't announce who they like to feth is like telling someone they should stop speaking with an accent.
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Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
And for the record, the whole 'acting gay' thing isn't an act. They're just like that. The reason gay men act feminine is because they are feminine. Likewise, the opposite is true for lesbians. There's obviously varying degrees, and quite the difference between an egalitarian homosexual relationship and a transexual one (not the correct term), but generally you'll find that that's how things are.
To some extent I think people forget how much of one's personality is conscious construction. Acting like a good person isn't simply a stoke of luck, but a decision made by the agent in question.
For example, when I was about 10 I decided that I liked being a bit of a prick, and so here we are today.
Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
Most homosexuals I know you couldn't tell are homosexuals by looking at them. Unless they're at a gay pride parade or something, in which case they're often reveling in the eccentricities associated with their lifestyle choices.
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Melissia wrote:Most homosexuals I know you couldn't tell are homosexuals by looking at them. Unless they're at a gay pride parade or something, in which case they're often reveling in the eccentricities associated with their lifestyle choices.
Maybe I'm just particularly conscious of it, but I always find it easy to discern in person. Its always minor things like a gay man saying "I went out with this guy." instead of "I went out." People don't generally mention people they socialize with unless they're telling a particular story, the person is of note to the listeners, or they're sexually attracted to them.
Life does not cease to be funny when people die any more than it ceases to be serious when people laugh.
Well this is true, but that pretty much happens with any conversation that isn't with a particularly careful person. I'm just saying the flamboyantly gay stereotype or the muscular butch lesbian stereotype both appear, at least from my point of view, to be the exception rather than the rule.
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Oh, I'm just mad I'm not sitting up on a cloud having a conversation with Doyle, Zappa, and Captain Lou Albano is all. Stupid rapture being a fake. Who would have seen that coming?
Mind you some people just don't like homosexuals because they're homosexuals and some decide that religion is enough of a reason. Others include insecurity in one's own sexuality and ignorance about the transmission of certain diseases.
I personally don't like the homosexuals who decide that everyone should know and proclaim it at the loudest. In fact a friend of mine got upset over a homosexual wearing a T-shirt saying "I'm Gaylic". His mom's from Ireland and she was none to pleased either.
Seriosuly, most people don't give a feth about who you feth. And for those who do, there's George Takei: Emperor of the Rising Sun and invader of Soviet Russia.
Yeah, that does grate on my nerves too. I mean, I don't feel the need to be running around in a shirt that says, "I like the wimmins." On one hand, I don't care if your idea of a good time is railing guys or chicks, or both, or neither. Do whatever it is that floats your boat. On the other hand, I don't care if your idea of a good time is railing guys or chicks. I don't care. If I have to hear about it, it might make me judgmental, and neither of us want that.
It's worth noting that being androphilic, gay men are attracted to... masculine men. Thus, to appear desirable to other gay men, assuming a more masculine appearance tends to be popular.
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Mannahnin wrote:If I were a member of a not-really-dangerous group which has been labeled evil and sinful through much of history and even today is regularly murdered for their preference of sex partners or spouses, I might be tempted to be so bold as to wear shirts which said things like "l'm gaylic". I'm devoutly proud of my Irish heritage, and while I love Gaelic, I can't take any offense at "gaylic". I admire the sense of defiance.
Also an Irish pup here and, though my whole family would certainly disapprove, I love this play on words.
People who would be bothered about that shirt seem likely to either be the same kind of people that find every joke-shirt annoying, or they are the kind of person that finds homosexuality disturbing.
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Fafnir wrote:And for the record, the whole 'acting gay' thing isn't an act. They're just like that. The reason gay men act feminine is because they are feminine. Likewise, the opposite is true for lesbians. There's obviously varying degrees, and quite the difference between an egalitarian homosexual relationship and a transexual one (not the correct term), but generally you'll find that that's how things are.
Crap, I didn't realize I was feminine. I'll be needing more pink clothes then
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MagickalMemories wrote:How about making another fist?
One can be, "Da Fist uv Mork" and the second can be, "Da Uvver Fist uv Mork."
Make a third, and it can be, "Da Uvver Uvver Fist uv Mork"
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Real men wear pink. Manly men, who are manlier than the rest, wear pink.
Feel the manly pride of the manly man's manly pink shirt!
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Heh. Reminds me of an old joke... a butch lesbian asks another woman out, whom responds "no thanks, I'm interested in women."
At any rate, just as there are heterosexual males that are into muscular females, there's homosexual males who are into effeminate males. I really don't care what the ratio is for either compared to the rest of the population
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Fafnir wrote:It's worth noting that being androphilic, gay men are attracted to... masculine men.
I know plenty of gay men who would disagree.
Generalizations are generalizations. I'm sure there are also plenty of straight men who are attracted to masculine women. Yes, by and large it does depend on the individuals involved.