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i see some serious ad mech misunderstanding here. the machine spirit is not what is being placated most of the time but simply reverence of the holy item, this is alongside a complete understanding of the "rites" involved with the production of said items with the exception of artefacts like titans which are far too advanced in comparison with what is still grasped to be replicated but which the magi have resourcefully discerned the funtion of components to repair and even replicate and replace most of them. i dont understand how this could be misunderstood unless you take it upon yourself to skip the small ammount of fluff that exists within the rulebook and codexes. and for those of you who preach knowledge to be heresy it is obvious that you cannot fathom the greatness of the omnissiah in his ability to allow the storage of all knowledge, for knowledge in and of itself deserves worship which you misunderstand as repairs being inacted. this facade is somewhat maintained due to the relative stupidity of the imperials. This is not by willful deciet (mostly... kinda..) but by lack of observation on the part of the average imperial citizen. It is not surprising at all that those who discredit so easily the value of knowledge that one has over another would fail to understand how the repair of an item of the omnissiah's design would not be a time for divine rejoicement. the idea that all knowledge with the blessing of the omnissiah is not worthy of obtaining is blasphemy. (and if ever you question if knowledge is meant for you by the omnissiah all you need do is pursue it until you are the omnissiah sends you a sign, death or near death should be taken as a sign from the omnissiah that you are not worthy of the knowledge in question for some undiscernable reason unless of course you have the support of the emperor in the form of millitary presence of one form or another to be used to your ends, in which case the emperor has blessed you with a chance to pursue the ultimate righteousness.) This concept by itself would be enough to plunge the entire IoM into an savagery and segregation were it not for the admech techpriests spread throughout the whole of the IoM from the low reaches of hive worlds to battleships of monolithic proportions enacting the proper repairs and rituals required to keep mankind technologicaly competent. i am not sure where/when the idea that kitchen devices were viewed as worthy of recieving a machine spirit by the omnissiah but this is not in the teaching and sounds like the ferverent chirping of heresy ladden lies.

I would suspect that if orks could take it into their limited minds to enact repairs regularly and with reverence they would be less often claimed as points for the opposing side in violent explosions.

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Well done first post. Maybe break it up a bit more in formatting?

It isn't always shown in the background, but certainly the mechanicum is not a bunch of shamans.
You know, the Emperor choose a C'tan as instructor for a reason. He wanted the best to inspire his tech-staff.

@1hadhq: yup, the void dragon himself, imprisoned on mars, and defeated the same way that George was supposed to have slain the dragon (sort of).

Why does everyone INSIST on calling him the Void Dragon?

He is the Dragon (no void, no chucky, no sprinkles )

There is an eldar pirate fleet called the Void Dragons. I doubt they worship him


And yes, he's holed up in the Noctis Labarinthus on Mars, at least for now ...

Asked the same question once and was pointed to the single source calling him "void" dragon.
I think we can ignore the "void" part.

Why should the Dragon want to leave?

Boredom?

I would love Mars to suddenly teleport out, taking the whole Priesthood of Mars with it, and leaving the IOM in dire straits..

If they can teleport/warpshield planets than surely the Ctan (being better at that stuff, supposedly) can do the same..

There are a lot of hints that the Dragon has a lot more control over the Mechanicus than the IOM would have you believe in the fluff, but i'm betting that they'll not be followed up/be retconned out. Call me cynical, but it's not exactly new..

1hadhq wrote:
Why should the Dragon want to leave?

A gilded cage is still a prison.

Well i think its the fact that hes asleep...
And they don't teleport per say. They move at much faster than light travel. they can teleport as well, but not whole planets.

If the Grey Knights can move planets around using imperial tech i'm sure the masters of Teleportation and Time/Space manipulation would be able to find a way

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Ascalam wrote:If the Grey Knights can move planets around using imperial tech i'm sure the masters of Teleportation and Time/Space manipulation would be able to find a way

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GK can move planets?

Titan. (It's a moon of Saturn, not a planet, but same principle )

Malcador the Sigilite takes it out of it's orbit for the period of the Horus Heresy and plunks it into the warp, where somehow it stays safe and sound....

They also relocate Diemos from Martian orbit to orbiting Titan using Adeptus Mechanicus Hand-Wave technology, to use as a forgeworld. Since Diemos is only 9.9 miles long and less than that deep one does wonder exactly how it can have vast subterranean halls and massive manufactorums as described

It's also worth noting that Titan has nearly no gravity, and for Diemos to be orbiting it would require continual intervention from another Handwave Generator

Hmm. Well the tau can manipulate gravity, so maybe the IoM can too. ( They must have found a stash of element zero on mars )

Uh, what? Where's any knowledge of the Tau being able to manipulate gravity?

An "anti-gravity" field isn't the same as actively being able to manipulate gravity into being used as a weapon like the Imperium's Graviton weaponry.

Anti gravity is manipulating gravity. BFG says that their ships use a gravity drive. It Positions a gravity sheath just in front of them and they just kind of fall forward. Gravity hooks. Gravity launchers. Then their shields are gravity based too. Gravity manipulating seems to be one of their core techs.