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Tilter at Windmills






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I don't see any difference between moving models while my opponent's back is turned, or casting Quicksilver on my opponent's turn. Either way I have blatantly broken a rule.

While in theory it would make sense for every player to learn every special rule in every codex, in practice that doesn't happen. The onus is not, and cannot be, on each player to ensure that his opponent is not cheating. You do your best to catch stuff that seems funny, and to know the rules or ask to see the rule in question if it something trips your BS Detector, but the responsibility has to lie with each of us to know and play by our own rules and not cheat our opponents.

If I, playing Blood Angels, were to take FNP saves against Plasma wounds, that's my fault, not my opponent's if he's new or overtired and somehow doesn't catch the error. And if a passer-by notices it and points it out I have no business being angry about it. If I did it out of some kind of absentminded mistake I thank him sincerely and apologize emphatically to my opponent.

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If you want to be a part of the game, play the game. Observers are just that: observers. Watch what people do, and don't screw up like they might. But it is not your place to interject.
   
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Mannahnin wrote: And if a passer-by notices it and points it out I have no business being angry about it.


Except when they are wrong and don't know what they are talking about... which is very common with spectators... Even examples in this thread where people are like "The rule obviously works this way! So I told him!" were quoting incorrect rules.

And there is still a whole coaching aspect when someone makes a tactical decision based on a wrong assumption, interjecting too early gives them the ability to rethink and recover from bad tactical moves. There is a huge difference between telling someone they can't shoot when moving 12" in a transport before the transport moves and after the transport moves in the shooting phase. Spectators have generally bad judgement in determining how their advice impacts the game.

If all spectators were 100% correct and exercised good judgement, I would agree. But they don't. They are a hot mess of misinformation and unfair coaching.

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I understand and recognize that spectators have interfered inappropriately in your games, and I think your experiences are excellent reasons why spectators should be cautious and polite and ready to double-check themselves and/or back the heck off if asked.

That being said, when they're right, they're right. And IMO it's more important that SOMEONE remember the rule. Putting a blanket ban on outsiders saying anything is enabling cheaters and promulgating/prolonging innocent but game-changing errors in play.

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More 2010-2014 GT/Major RTT Record (W/L/D) -- CSM: 78-20-9 // SW: 8-1-2 (Golden Ticket with SW), BA: 29-9-4 6th Ed GT & RTT Record (W/L/D) -- CSM: 36-12-2 // BA: 11-4-1 // SW: 1-1-1
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