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Polonius wrote:

jp400 wrote:
So just because someone doesn't like the product they are now automatically a troll acting out of spite?

Please...

At least one poster said that they wished that CHS would go out of business for the good of the hobby. (this may have been modded). That's pretty spiteful.

Critique is usually a bit more nuanced than "I hate it and want the creator to stop making things."

Hmm.... It must have been modded, for I have/did not see it. If the above was said, then I can agree that what was said was abit over the line.

jp400 wrote:Hmm.... It must have been modded, for I have/did not see it. If the above was said, then I can agree that what was said was abit over the line.

Yeah, like most people I'm deeply underwhelmed by most CHS stuff. Some is pretty good, some is really bad, and most is very "meh."

But some of the comments aren't even about the product... they're just about how much people hate CHS.

Polonius wrote:

jp400 wrote:Hmm.... It must have been modded, for I have/did not see it. If the above was said, then I can agree that what was said was abit over the line.

Yeah, like most people I'm deeply underwhelmed by most CHS stuff. Some is pretty good, some is really bad, and most is very "meh."

But some of the comments aren't even about the product... they're just about how much people hate CHS.

I couldn't agree more with the bolded part of this.

Myself, I don't hate CHS... I just don't like their product lines enough compared to others out their to actually spend money on them.

Polonius wrote:
But some of the comments aren't even about the product... they're just about how much people hate CHS.

...This is where I have a problem with those individuals. Many comments are constructive criticism for the product at hand, and I do appreciate those. At the same time there are a number who's coments are aimed at the company and not for the specific product, where some criticisms is born purely out of that sentiment and not out of any sincere attempt to help CHS improve its offerings.

Well, I don't think all criticism of publicly marketted item need to be constructive. I might not read them much, but there's nothing wrong with saying "X is simply poorly scuplted and bland."

Hell, some of the funniest things I've read have been scathing reviews of products. Those usually aren't personal though (or as personal as a corporate creator can get).

aka_mythos wrote:
some criticisms is born purely out of that sentiment and not out of any sincere attempt to help CHS improve its offerings.

How is that in any way the responsibility of anyone posting here? This is an advert to sell CH product. If this was your sculpting thread then I can see that being a valid complaint, but this is News and Rumours.

jp400 wrote:

Polonius wrote:

jp400 wrote:Hmm.... It must have been modded, for I have/did not see it. If the above was said, then I can agree that what was said was abit over the line.

Yeah, like most people I'm deeply underwhelmed by most CHS stuff. Some is pretty good, some is really bad, and most is very "meh."

But some of the comments aren't even about the product... they're just about how much people hate CHS.

I couldn't agree more with the bolded part of this.

Myself, I don't hate CHS... I just don't like their product lines enough compared to others out their to actually spend money on them.

I agree with this mostly, the jet bike is just another example in a line of poorly envisioned and unoriginal products. If you put the jetbike next to a regular GW bike it looks like the engine and rear section has been badly copied (same elements in the same numbers in roughly the same places. It's a JETbike, and it evokes nothing that the better (though still not great in my opinion) options by the likes of Kromlek and the rest.

Polonius wrote:Hell, some of the funniest things I've read have been scathing reviews of products. Those usually aren't personal though (or as personal as a corporate creator can get).

Still most scathing reviews, when they aren't just hate filled rants for the sake of it, tend to have something to point out that was a significant oversight. Either something that should have been apparent or something that shouldn't have been overlooked. They tend not to be the one or two sentences that say little to nothing.

plastictrees wrote:
How is that in any way the responsibility of anyone posting here? This is an advert to sell CH product. If this was your sculpting thread then I can see that being a valid complaint, but this is News and Rumours.

Who said its a responsibility?-If theres a responsibility, its only from the poster to themselves. It is to formulate a justifiable opinion that can be articulated; it is for the individual to express themselves to the fullest extent, in a manner that can be interpreted as more than an emotional sentiment. Some might as well just post individual " " emoticons for as little as they really say. People are in a forum to communicate; so communicate. They shouldn't sit there and do the internet equivalent of scowling. They do themselves the disservice by having our ears and saying nothing that we could use to make them happier.This thread is only one part ad; the other part dialogue with the customer base. If it were only meant to be an ad, the release would just be on the add at the top of the window.

I like it for it's aesthetics actually. I like how it is NOT festooned with skulls (bling) just for the sake of glittering it up. Skulls do not equal skill IMHO. I actually dremel off the skulls from many of my SM models.

I like it's bulky lines, very much in keeping with 40K's Space Marine steampunk. I like the fairing in the front, reminiscent of early chrome on old cars, again adding to the mystique of it being from another era. I like how it, in a passing sense, is the "predecessor" for the Space Marine bike in that it almost echos certain components (fuel tank, rear exhaust etc) which in turn gives credence to the SM bikes lineage. To me it all harkens back to the HH period in 40K lore. Add stowage to the back of the bike and it makes a credible jet bike.

I hope it goes together better than the 10 GW landspeeders I have that needed some work to close gaps. For an experienced model company like GW, that faux pas was inexcusable.

I think this jet bike is a well executed model and will find a happy place in my collection. Might even be escorts for the 10 speeders.

I am very pleased with the looks of this model. Not familiar with Chapterhouse (other than all the legal battle threads), but this may get me into purchasing from 'em

Had a look at the P&M thread and have to say I much preferred the bike when it had the smaller side jet bits - looked a lot better steamlined. So many of the jetbike scratch builds and kit bashes have huge rear ends that just look totally unbalanced to me.

But on the rest of the model:

The guns look too small - I would have to file them off and replace them if I were to use the model.

I would probably redo the front - the grill just looks off; it doesn't seem to serve any mechanical purpose that I can see and aesthetically it doesn't look good. I would probably go for the smooth shape of Imperial ships instead.

I would probably remove most of the foot plate, leaving just the actual foot pads (a-la imperial speeder bike things from star wars).

I would also probably remove the super sized side jet bits and replace them with some kind of mini-wing arrangement.

Also, why would a bet bike have a regular engine? Some more jet-engine like detailing on the "engine" section would make the bike look better. Either that or some technical cowling.

The Javelin Jetbike is now on the site and available for sales here for $14.00.

Here is a teaser for the design of the Pilum Class Heavy Attack Jet Bike. This kit will consist of the original Javelin kit with the addition of side mounted heavy weapons and a heavier engine and control surfaces.



Have a good holiday week!

Nick - Chapterhouse Studios LLC

Looking at both of these, I think I'm not a fan of the jet intakes right beside the rider's legs. Seems like it's asking for trouble...

Also not really sure about the heavy weapons being mounted so far back on either side. Assuming that they would be slaved together, that would seriously cut into their fire arc at close-in targets.

Other than that, I like it

Well riders are always wearing power armor, so it's not like pant legs will get sucked into the intakes.

I agree that rear mounted weapons limits their firing capability.

Aerethan wrote:Well riders are always wearing power armor, so it's not like pant legs will get sucked into the intakes.

Yeah, but a whole ceramite-covered leg is going to have a more, er... drastic effect on a jet turbine than one clad in trousers.

Yeah, I see what your talking about, then again, we are talking about anti-gravity vehicles with 1000 pound super soldiers riding on them..

True to life aerodynamics went out the window a long time ago..

That's the tricky part, really. When you're dealing with science fiction vehicles, there's a line between 'science' and 'fiction', and anything that's too far into the 'fiction' side of the line can grate on the sensibilities... but exactly where that line lies is going to depend on the individual, and is often completely arbitrary.

For mine, the jet intake falls into the 'too far' section. Others' opinions may vary.

I like the model overall. Now if only CH did some Red Hunters doors and shoulders! Or if they started making fantasy bits. I bet some slash and puff arms for Empire players would sell well.

Aerethan wrote:Well riders are always wearing power armor, so it's not like pant legs will get sucked into the intakes.

But what about our favorite dress wearing first legion marines? They didn't listen to Edna Mode...

I quite like the design of the attack bike. Aesthetically, the javelin bike design was missing something (although nothing a conversion couldn’t fix). The Pilum bike has some of the flair that the Javelin bike was lacking and appears to better match the jetbike artwork I’ve seen.

In regards to the design, personally I’d like to see the front mounted twin linked bolters to be a little larger and more prominent as well as a little more aesthetic embellishment in the design as well.

@Chapterhouse
Nick, I have two questions. Firstly is the kit only going to come with Heavy Bolter sponsons or is it also going to come with melta sponsons as well? Secondly, are the heavy weapons going to be optional/detachable or are they fused onto the back? I’m hoping they are optional so as one could either use the kit to make a standard bike or magnetize the back end to allow for easy swapping between different heavy weapon options.

Chapterhouse wrote:Yeah, I see what your talking about, then again, we are talking about anti-gravity vehicles with 1000 pound super soldiers riding on them..

True to life aerodynamics went out the window a long time ago..

Please don't ever use that as an excuse in fantasy/scifi settings. Then we get things like Games Workshop's Storm Raven.

There's a difference between realism and verisimilitude/believability.

candy.man wrote:I quite like the design of the attack bike. Aesthetically, the javelin bike design was missing something (although nothing a conversion couldn’t fix). The Pilum bike has some of the flair that the Javelin bike was lacking and appears to better match the jetbike artwork I’ve seen.

In regards to the design, personally I’d like to see the front mounted twin linked bolters to be a little larger and more prominent as well as a little more aesthetic embellishment in the design as well.

@Chapterhouse
Nick, I have two questions. Firstly is the kit only going to come with Heavy Bolter sponsons or is it also going to come with melta sponsons as well? Secondly, are the heavy weapons going to be optional/detachable or are they fused onto the back? I’m hoping they are optional so as one could either use the kit to make a standard bike or magnetize the back end to allow for easy swapping between different heavy weapon options.

candy.man,

I made a point to have the design so that the weapons are easily magnetized and swapped out. The kit will come with large caliber ballistic weapons as well as "melta" analogues. I believe the actual design has spaces for the magnets built into the kit and I am planning on selling them complete with both weapon options and the magnets.

I was trying to avoid straight out copying the standard GWs bolter designs, some companies feel confortable doing that, we did not, thats why our weapons are smaller and different on the front of the bike. That does not stop customers from easily cutting ours out and adding their own bolters onto the front.

Nick

vitki wrote:

Aerethan wrote:Well riders are always wearing power armor, so it's not like pant legs will get sucked into the intakes.

But what about our favorite dress wearing first legion marines? They didn't listen to Edna Mode...

Those are the guys who'd be most suited for these sorts of things (in my collection, anyway) and the same thought popped into my head. Long scarves are in fashion again this season...

[Mod Edit - Stay on target - and stay polite.]

The attack bike is a bit of a let down. I was hoping for a sidecar. Without one it makes the Master of the Ravenwing just as viable with his underslung plasma cannon

A side car? On a jet bike? o.O

Generally, I like this new design although I'm still not a big fan of the front grill.

@Chapterhouse
Thanks for your reply. Selling the product as a “complete kit” is a good idea and I am all for it.

Quick question. Has the kit been designed so that the bike would still look normal if one were to assemble the kit without the heavy weapons? Design wise, that bike would look very good as both a standard bike and an attack bike and it would be a shame if the kit could only build an attack bike. I think if the kit were to function this way, it could be marketed as a 3in1 kit.

personally, attack jet bikes for marines should have a chariot back on them rather then just wing mounted heavy weapons

Are the air intakes next to where the feet would be, or behind where the feet would be?

candy.man wrote:@Chapterhouse
Design wise, that bike would look very good as both a standard bike and an attack bike and it would be a shame if the kit could only build an attack bike. I think if the kit were to function this way, it could be marketed as a 3in1 kit.

My thoughts exactly.
Many posts ago I stated that I didn't know what I was looking for in a jetbike but that I would know it when I saw it. Well, if this bike looks as great without the heavy weapons as it does with them, then I think I've seen exactly what I was looking for!
Seriously, if it looks good without the heavy weapons, I may get 10 of these. I'd have to get some good pics before I commit though.


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H.B.M.C. wrote:Are the air intakes next to where the feet would be, or behind where the feet would be?

It looks like they're beside the foot rests, but the image is from a funny angle...

I can see the point about the intakes... but I couldn't really care, either way.
As for the location of the weapons... a bike is an infantry model. It has a 180 degree firing arc, but can turn freely in the shooting phase. So, weapon location doesn't really matter.

If you look at the GW bike with the side car and try to associate the same logic, then there's no way they could shoot anyone on the right side of the model. Same thing.

Eric