Angry Russian Dude Shoots Metal Bird, Causes Riot.

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**Rephistorch**

BeRzErKeR wrote:
Rephistorch wrote:
The problem is, the rules in the BRB don't tell you that disembarkation is disallowed for the player turn. It also doesn't tell you that it's disallowed for the game turn. It only tells you that it is disallowed in that movement phase when a fast transport moves flat out.

The bolded line there is incorrect. What it tells is that disembarkation is disallowed, if the vehicle has moved flat-out in that movement phase.

It makes a difference, it honestly does. And you still haven't answered my question; given that the sentence literally CANNOT be referring to 'the phase in which you disembark', since it applies to ALL phases (and you can be forced to disembark in any of them) but tells you to check whether the vehicle moved flat-out in the MOVEMENT phase specifically, what tells you that you are allowed to disembark in, say, the Shooting phase of a turn in which the vehicle has moved flat-out?

The sentence literally can be referring to the phase in which you disembark. It does not apply to all phases as it does not say that it does. It tells you to check whether the vehicle has moved flat-out in "THAT (the current)" movement phase, not "the" movement phase.

The issue here is, "What is that movement phase?"

My interpretation is that it is the movement phase in which you are trying to disembark.

Your interpretation is that it's the player turn in which your vehicle has moved.

Other people's interpretations could be that it's in the game turn in which your vehicle has moved.

The rules don't say player turn, and they don't same game turn. Unless they say game turn or player turn, then the rules don't apply to that broad of a scope, and that's why you can disembark in subsequent phases. The rules for assaulting a vehicle clearly state things like "In the previous turn". This rule has no such exceptions or allowances.

I've said my peace, and I've clearly explained my position (most clearly in the quote below). Unless someone has fresh, new arguments that don't include "It doesn't say only your movement phase!", while utterly and totally ignoring the fact and irony that it doesn't say that it includes anything other than your movement phase, this will be my final post.

That's the problem. You're adding [of the turn]. You really should be saying "in THAT movement phase" period. Is it that movement phase (the phase itself) anymore? No - then you may disembark.

Here are a several different ways to interpret this sentence. I can understand where the first 2 or 3 stances are coming from, however, I believe the first one to be most correct.
1. if the fast transport vehicle moves flat out in that movement phase (in which you want or need to disembark), units inside may not disembark.
2. if the fast transport vehicle moves flat out in that [turn's] movement phase (in which you want or need to disembark), units inside may not disembark.
3. if the fast transport vehicle moves flat out in that [game turn's] movement phase (in which you want or need to disembark), units inside may not disembark.
4. if the fast transport vehicle moves flat out in that [game's first] movement phase (in which you want or need to disembark), units inside may not disembark.
5. if the fast transport vehicle moves flat out in that [game's last] movement phase (in which you want or need to disembark), units inside may not disembark.
6. if the fast transport vehicle moves flat out in that [anything you want here] movement phase (in which you want or need to disembark), units inside may not disembark.

The rules do not tell us to add further qualifiers (turn, game turn), therefore we must look to what it says, which is "in that movement phase". Adding any other modifiers, whatsoever, is not following what is written.

Again I pose the question, if it's not limited to your movement phase, why is it limited to your player turn? Why isn't it limited to your whole game turn? The most logical reading of this sentence is to take what is written and not add any additional qualifiers.

**Fearspect**

So by that same logic, Rephistorch, if you shoot at a target just once in a game, for the whole game your unit is restricted to only assaulting that one target?

**BeRzErKeR**

Rephistorch wrote:
BeRzErKeR wrote:
Rephistorch wrote:
The problem is, the rules in the BRB don't tell you that disembarkation is disallowed for the player turn. It also doesn't tell you that it's disallowed for the game turn. It only tells you that it is disallowed in that movement phase when a fast transport moves flat out.

The bolded line there is incorrect. What it tells is that disembarkation is disallowed, if the vehicle has moved flat-out in that movement phase.

It makes a difference, it honestly does. And you still haven't answered my question; given that the sentence literally CANNOT be referring to 'the phase in which you disembark', since it applies to ALL phases (and you can be forced to disembark in any of them) but tells you to check whether the vehicle moved flat-out in the MOVEMENT phase specifically, what tells you that you are allowed to disembark in, say, the Shooting phase of a turn in which the vehicle has moved flat-out?

The sentence literally can be referring to the phase in which you disembark. It does not apply to all phases as it does not say that it does. It tells you to check whether the vehicle has moved flat-out in "THAT (the current)" movement phase, not "the" movement phase.

The issue here is, "What is that movement phase?"

My interpretation is that it is the movement phase in which you are trying to disembark.

Your interpretation is that it's the player turn in which your vehicle has moved.

Other people's interpretations could be that it's in the game turn in which your vehicle has moved.

The rules don't say player turn, and they don't same game turn. Unless they say game turn or player turn, then the rules don't apply to that broad of a scope, and that's why you can disembark in subsequent phases. The rules for assaulting a vehicle clearly state things like "In the previous turn". This rule has no such exceptions or allowances.

I've said my peace, and I've clearly explained my position (most clearly in the quote below). Unless someone has fresh, new arguments that don't include "It doesn't say only your movement phase!", while utterly and totally ignoring the fact and irony that it doesn't say that it includes anything other than your movement phase, this will be my final post.

That's the problem. You're adding [of the turn]. You really should be saying "in THAT movement phase" period. Is it that movement phase (the phase itself) anymore? No - then you may disembark.

Here are a several different ways to interpret this sentence. I can understand where the first 2 or 3 stances are coming from, however, I believe the first one to be most correct.
1. if the fast transport vehicle moves flat out in that movement phase (in which you want or need to disembark), units inside may not disembark.
2. if the fast transport vehicle moves flat out in that [turn's] movement phase (in which you want or need to disembark), units inside may not disembark.
3. if the fast transport vehicle moves flat out in that [game turn's] movement phase (in which you want or need to disembark), units inside may not disembark.
4. if the fast transport vehicle moves flat out in that [game's first] movement phase (in which you want or need to disembark), units inside may not disembark.
5. if the fast transport vehicle moves flat out in that [game's last] movement phase (in which you want or need to disembark), units inside may not disembark.
6. if the fast transport vehicle moves flat out in that [anything you want here] movement phase (in which you want or need to disembark), units inside may not disembark.

The rules do not tell us to add further qualifiers (turn, game turn), therefore we must look to what it says, which is "in that movement phase". Adding any other modifiers, whatsoever, is not following what is written.

Again I pose the question, if it's not limited to your movement phase, why is it limited to your player turn? Why isn't it limited to your whole game turn? The most logical reading of this sentence is to take what is written and not add any additional qualifiers.

But you still haven't answered my question.

If you are not trying to disembark in a Movement phase, how can the rule be referencing "the movement phase in which you are disembarking"?

**Rephistorch**

Fearspect wrote:So by that same logic, Rephistorch, if you shoot at a target just once in a game, for the whole game your unit is restricted to only assaulting that one target?

I would definitely say not, although the wording is fairly similar. To me the main difference is their choice of using the phrase "in that movement phase". That has to be referring to something, and I've been interpreting it to mean "that" particular movement phase in which the unit is trying to disembark. This paragraph says, "in the shooting phase", and "previously shot at" confirming that the action happened in a different phase... However, I do see more clearly the validity of thinking "that" movement phase could be referring to the turn's movement phase.

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BeRzErKeR wrote:

But you still haven't answered my question.

If you are not trying to disembark in a Movement phase, how can the rule be referencing "the movement phase in which you are disembarking"?

Then the rule doesn't apply. If it's not the movement phase in which you are disembarking, there is no restriction.

**DeathReaper**

"in that movement phase" refers to the movement phase of that turn.

They specified movement phase, and not just "in that phase"

Had they said "in that phase" it would work like you said rep, but they specify that movement phase so it can only be read as that turns movement phase.