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**Thejokerguy**

Ratius wrote:Thank God for plush, safe suburbs is all I can say

My last job was doing private security work. And I got stabbed in a "plush, safe suburb." And also for the record, one thing fighting has taught me, is it's best to avoid it whenever possible, so awareness of my surroundings is really what I use for self-defense. If I'm in a situation where violence is unavoidable, it generally means having a pocket knife or weak civilian pepper spray or whatever else won't be of much use and I'm screwed anyways haha.

**dæl**

Lux_Lucis wrote:
Corpsesarefun wrote:I carried a 2" knife for a year or two but now I don't bother, it's easier to just avoid the rough parts of Swindon at night. Also I figured if people carry knives for protection then the fight is far more likely to escalate, if you don't carry a knife then perhaps others will come to similar conclusion and also not carry a knife.

Plus these selections from directgov:
'If you carry a knife to protect yourself or make yourself feel safer but don’t intend to use it then you are committing a crime.'
'it is a crime to carry a knife in public without good reason – for example, if you work as a chef'
'any sharp instrument – even a screwdriver – can be viewed by the police as an illegal offensive weapon if you do not have a good reason for carrying it'

And a list of weapons banned for sale:

samurai swords

I'm so glad I got my katana before the ban. It's over 50 years old too so I get to keep it.

In terms of carrying knives, if its under 3" (I think) and doesn't lock, and you can justify having it, you aren't breaking the law. So a Leatherman or such would be fine. If you're carrying a knife you shouldn't, they will throw the book at you, there's a massive clamp down happening on knife crime after all the murders of schoolchildren over the past few years.

**Ratius**

Ratius wrote:
Thank God for plush, safe suburbs is all I can say

My last job was doing private security work. And I got stabbed in a "plush, safe suburb."

Was being facetious boss

**dæl**

Thejokerguy wrote:
Ratius wrote:Thank God for plush, safe suburbs is all I can say

My last job was doing private security work. And I got stabbed in a "plush, safe suburb."

When I lived in Bristol, the only incident of trouble I ever had was not in any of the 'rough' areas, but from some drunk, upper class "ruggers" chaps in the posh area.

**Corpsesarefun**

Lux_Lucis wrote:
Plus these selections from directgov:
'If you carry a knife to protect yourself or make yourself feel safer but don’t intend to use it then you are committing a crime.'
'it is a crime to carry a knife in public without good reason – for example, if you work as a chef'
'any sharp instrument – even a screwdriver – can be viewed by the police as an illegal offensive weapon if you do not have a good reason for carrying it'

And a list of weapons banned for sale:

flick knives - knives where the blade is hidden inside the handle and shoots out when a button is pressed; these are also called 'switchblades' or 'automatic knives'
butterfly knives - where the blade is hidden inside a handle that splits in two around it, like wings; the handles swing around the blade to open or close it
disguised knives - where the blade is hidden inside something like a belt buckle or fake mobile phone
gravity knives
sword-sticks
samurai swords
hand-claws
foot-claws
belt-buckle knives
push daggers
kubotan (cylindrical container, holding spikes)
shuriken (also known as 'death stars' or 'throwing stars')
kusari-gama (sickle attached to a rope, cord or wire)
kyoketsu-shoge (hook-knife attached to a rope, cord or wire)
kusari (weight attached to a rope, cord or wire)

Precisely why I don't carry one anymore, considerably more trouble than it's worth. To be fair I was in the scouts at the time so that 2" penknife was also used for scouty things.

Also I always cut my nails extremely short so I can't open cans either.

**Lux_Lucis**

AustonT wrote:
Lux_Lucis wrote:
AustonT wrote:Why does it say "mobile phone"?

Cell phone

I get what it is, why is it banned.

Oh, it says knives disguised as mobile phones are banned.

TermiesInARaider wrote:
Makarov wrote:
TermiesInARaider wrote:
n0t_u wrote:That's a fairly different situation.

QFT. LEOs go looking for trouble. It's basically their jobs. And while they may be at less risk of being attacked, their certainly more likely to be in a dangerous situation, which may require a firearm or some other sort of weapon.

A: I have just as much a right to defend myself as a cop does.
B: Cops aren't legally required to protect, at least according to the supreme court (Warren v DoC)
C:Sometimes trouble is unavoidable

Nobody is bringing that into question. Rights to self defense are clearly outlined in American law. But I can't honestly say that my need for a firearm is equatable to that of a police officer's. It's just not the same.

British bobbies don't carry guns, apart from Armed Response Teams and the like. I would suggest the reason that a police officer is less likely to get attacked is more because he's (or she's) a police officer, with all the cultural stuff that entails.

dæl wrote:
Lux_Lucis wrote:
Corpsesarefun wrote:I carried a 2" knife for a year or two but now I don't bother, it's easier to just avoid the rough parts of Swindon at night. Also I figured if people carry knives for protection then the fight is far more likely to escalate, if you don't carry a knife then perhaps others will come to similar conclusion and also not carry a knife.

Plus these selections from directgov:
'If you carry a knife to protect yourself or make yourself feel safer but don’t intend to use it then you are committing a crime.'
'it is a crime to carry a knife in public without good reason – for example, if you work as a chef'
'any sharp instrument – even a screwdriver – can be viewed by the police as an illegal offensive weapon if you do not have a good reason for carrying it'

And a list of weapons banned for sale:

samurai swords

I'm so glad I got my katana before the ban. It's over 50 years old too so I get to keep it.

In terms of carrying knives, if its under 3" (I think) and doesn't lock, and you can justify having it, you aren't breaking the law. So a Leatherman or such would be fine. If you're carrying a knife you shouldn't, they will throw the book at you, there's a massive clamp down happening on knife crime after all the murders of schoolchildren over the past few years.

That's the old interpretation I believe. I remember when the previous government tightened their directions to the police and there was lots of hoopla because people like Scouts, Guides, hiking types etc. were being told they couldn't carry them. They're very strict these days.
'Historical' blades are protected I believe, and reenactment weapons, weapons used for martial arts training etc.

**Frazzled**

treadhead1944 wrote:
Exalted Pariah wrote:Finally! A thread I can mention Krav Maga without being rebuffed! Here it goes..... Krava Maga for self-defense!
Bah... I am going to rebuff you anyway.

Double rebuffed! Hah! My full auto wienie dogs laugh at your mixed martial arts. They have breath weapons and can lay land mines on demand.

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AustonT wrote:An accurate and similarly armed wife. (minus you know...the face stuff).

Corrected your typo. We all know married women are utterly, utterly lethal when messed with, or someteimes merely annoyed by their husbands. I know. I KNOW!

**dæl**

Lux_Lucis wrote:
British bobbies don't carry guns, apart from Armed Response Teams and the like. I would suggest the reason that a police officer is less likely to get attacked is more because he's (or she's) a police officer, with all the cultural stuff that entails.

They do have CS gas, and tazers, and those telescopic baton thingies.

Knife Law
If you’re planning to buy or carry a knife, it’s important to know the rules. Anyone found breaking these laws can face up to four years in prison.

These include:
it is illegal for any shop to sell a knife of any kind (including cutlery and kitchen knives) to anyone under the age of 18
it is a crime to carry a knife in public without good reason – for example, if you work as a chef
the maximum penalty for an adult carrying a knife is four years in prison and a fine of £5000
it is illegal to carry, buy or sell any type of knife banned by the government (the list of banned knives is below)
knives with folding blades, like Swiss Army knives, are not illegal as long as the blade is three inches long (7.62 cm) or less
if any knife is used in a threatening way (even a legal knife, such as a Swiss Army knife), it is regarded as an 'offensive weapon' by the law
any sharp instrument – even a screwdriver – can be viewed by the police as an illegal offensive weapon if you do not have a good reason for carrying it

Source

**Lux_Lucis**

dæl wrote:
Lux_Lucis wrote:
British bobbies don't carry guns, apart from Armed Response Teams and the like. I would suggest the reason that a police officer is less likely to get attacked is more because he's (or she's) a police officer, with all the cultural stuff that entails.

They do have CS gas, and tazers, and those telescopic baton thingies.

Knife Law
If you’re planning to buy or carry a knife, it’s important to know the rules. Anyone found breaking these laws can face up to four years in prison.

These include:
it is illegal for any shop to sell a knife of any kind (including cutlery and kitchen knives) to anyone under the age of 18
it is a crime to carry a knife in public without good reason – for example, if you work as a chef
the maximum penalty for an adult carrying a knife is four years in prison and a fine of £5000
it is illegal to carry, buy or sell any type of knife banned by the government (the list of banned knives is below)
knives with folding blades, like Swiss Army knives, are not illegal as long as the blade is three inches long (7.62 cm) or less
if any knife is used in a threatening way (even a legal knife, such as a Swiss Army knife), it is regarded as an 'offensive weapon' by the law
any sharp instrument – even a screwdriver – can be viewed by the police as an illegal offensive weapon if you do not have a good reason for carrying it

Source

Cheers for adding the source. Still need to have firearms training to be allowed to use tasers though.

**Sturmtruppen**

My height, weight, and ugly face are my deterrents. If you still want a go, I'll show you what I've been practicing at Taekwondo.

**mattyrm**

I don't carry anything, my hands alone are lethal weapons.

I'm fething stunned they let me on a plane!

**AustonT**

mattyrm wrote:I don't carry anything, my hands alone are lethal weapons.

I'm fething stunned they let me on a plane!

How do you get through doors with that massive head?

**Corpsesarefun**

To be fair he is/was a Royal Marine, he probably isn't exaggerating much.

**Frazzled**

AustonT wrote:
mattyrm wrote:I don't carry anything, my hands alone are lethal weapons.

I'm fething stunned they let me on a plane!

How do you get through doors with that massive head?

Well it may be a surprise, but everyone else gets to use the doors. They don't have to "climb in through the landing gear hatch."

**treadhead1944**

TermiesInARaider wrote:
treadhead1944 wrote:
Exalted Pariah wrote:Finally! A thread I can mention Krav Maga without being rebuffed! Here it goes..... Krava Maga for self-defense!
Bah... I am going to rebuff you anyway.

What's to rebuff? It's a proven system that works. Not the be-all-end-all by any means, but nothing is.

I was trolling

**Great White**

I use my shark teeth than find the nearest body of water and swim a way. It's called Sharkwan do.

**A Town Called Malus**

People need to remember that the ultimate weapon for self defence is a half brick inna sock. If you can't find half a brick then any similarly weighted object will do.

**Chowderhead**

A Town Called Malus wrote:People need to remember that the ultimate weapon for self defence is a half brick inna sock. If you can't find half a brick then any similarly weighted object will do.

Soap on a Rope works much better.

It's self cleaning, and has a nice scent after you bludgeon the man to death!

**A Town Called Malus**

Chowderhead wrote:
A Town Called Malus wrote:People need to remember that the ultimate weapon for self defence is a half brick inna sock. If you can't find half a brick then any similarly weighted object will do.

Soap on a Rope works much better.

It's self cleaning, and has a nice scent after you bludgeon the man to death!

But unless you regularly walk around with your Soap on a Rope it does have one major disadvantage. You pretty much always have a sock (or two) with you, unless you always wear sandals. So all you need to do is find the heavy object to put in it/them. The twin Half Brick inna Sock should be reserved for extremely desperate situations, however, as your feet might get cold.

**Chowderhead**

A Town Called Malus wrote:
Chowderhead wrote:
A Town Called Malus wrote:People need to remember that the ultimate weapon for self defence is a half brick inna sock. If you can't find half a brick then any similarly weighted object will do.

Soap on a Rope works much better.

It's self cleaning, and has a nice scent after you bludgeon the man to death!

But unless you regularly walk around with your Soap on a Rope it does have one major disadvantage. You pretty much always have a sock (or two) with you, unless you always wear sandals. So all you need to do is find the heavy object to put in it/them. The twin Half Brick inna Sock should be reserved for extremely desperate situations, however, as your feet might get cold.

What about a half brick inna sock in a Half Brick Inna Sock?

**TermiesInARaider**

Corpsesarefun wrote:To be fair he is/was a Royal Marine, he probably isn't exaggerating much.

This. Them boys don't screw around.

**A Town Called Malus**

Chowderhead wrote:
A Town Called Malus wrote:
Chowderhead wrote:
A Town Called Malus wrote:People need to remember that the ultimate weapon for self defence is a half brick inna sock. If you can't find half a brick then any similarly weighted object will do.

Soap on a Rope works much better.

It's self cleaning, and has a nice scent after you bludgeon the man to death!

But unless you regularly walk around with your Soap on a Rope it does have one major disadvantage. You pretty much always have a sock (or two) with you, unless you always wear sandals. So all you need to do is find the heavy object to put in it/them. The twin Half Brick inna Sock should be reserved for extremely desperate situations, however, as your feet might get cold.

What about a half brick inna sock in a Half Brick Inna Sock?

SOCKCEPTION?!

**SagesStone**

Wrecks a perfectly good sock though, better using a doorknob or two in it instead of the half brick. That or fill it with a bit of sand/gravel/small rocks and tie it off.

**Chowderhead**

n0t_u wrote:Wrecks a perfectly good sock though, better using a doorknob or two in it instead of the half brick. That or fill it with a bit of sand/gravel/small rocks and tie it off.

Where am I going to find a doorknob just lying around?

Also, if you are using a doorknob, use one of those glass ones. It'll shatter and stab him on impact. I think.

**timetowaste85**

I took Tae Kwan Do for years, with one of the top TKD instructors in the world and was trained in self defense. I know how to cripple a man while not enacting lethal force, though he may never walk again or ever use whatever arm held the knife. Now, what's the point of this thread again? Are we just comparing who has the longest stream of piss?

**Chowderhead**

timetowaste85 wrote:I took Tae Kwan Do for years, with one of the top TKD instructors in the world and was trained in self defense. I know how to cripple a man while not enacting lethal force, though he may never walk again or ever use whatever arm held the knife. Now, what's the point of this thread again? Are we just comparing who has the longest stream of piss?

No. It's not a contest, because mine's longer.

**Ratius**

Dont most OT topics end up in a pissing contest? If its not on an individual level, its a state level, if not state, country, if not country, religion, if not religion race and if not race, who drank the most last night.

**mattyrm**

Ratius wrote:Dont most OT topics end up in a pissing contest? If its not on an individual level, its a state level, if not state, country, if not country, religion, if not religion race and if not race, who drank the most last night.

It was me, I had 15 pints of Guinness with Night Nurse chasers and half a bottle of Frost Jack.

**Da Boss**

I did self defense for a few years with my brother and his various mates that are into it. I realised I was picking up more injuries in training than I ever did in fights- I've barely been in any physical confrontations since. And in all the ones I have been in, fending the other guy off long enough to leave was all I needed to do.

So I stopped. I live in a fairly crime ridden area of a fairly crappy town at the moment, and I never have any hassle. I lived in the inner city in dublin for years, and never had any either. I think if you're sensible and keep your head down, you don't need half the self defense training people go for. My three rules of thumb are:
1. Don't drink in gakholes, you meet gak.
2. Don't antagonise anyone who looks like they might stab you.
3. Never get so drunk you don't know what's going on if you're going to be walking home alone.

**dæl**

mattyrm wrote:
Ratius wrote:Dont most OT topics end up in a pissing contest? If its not on an individual level, its a state level, if not state, country, if not country, religion, if not religion race and if not race, who drank the most last night.

It was me, I had 15 pints of Guinness with Night Nurse chasers and half a bottle of Frost Jack.

I drank a bottle of lighter fluid, it's a far superior drink to meths. The

don't drink it because they can't afford it.