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 Endriu Death Coy wrote:
No, a vehicle such as a drop pod that is immobilized on landing does not lose an additional hull point, it is only subsequent immobilized results that remove an additional hull point.

Why are you posting that in this thread?

Please re-read the original post in this thread (about not arguing rules in this thread). There are no Drop Pods in the Chaos Daemons codex and therefore there is no need to respond to what anyone else is saying about Drop Pods in this thread.

Here's another bunch::
1) Can the blasted standard be used to overwatch, if the horrors can't otherwise shoot because they're only armed with a psychic power?
2) Do the shots from the blasted standard benefit from the locus of conjuration?
3) May a herald of tzeentch on a chariot take the blue horror crew upgrade?
4) Do the -1 modifier from blue horror crew stack if there are multiple burning chariots within range?
5) Does a herald's locus apply to any chariot he/she is riding?
6) Can a herald in a chariot join a chariot squadron?
7) Does a soul grinder which ignores a crew shaken/stunned result also ignore the loss of a hull point?

chewielight wrote:
Can horrors or any demon use both codex and BRB powers at the same time. For instant a mastery level 3 herald switch out one power for prescience and keep the codex ones as well?

Daemons do not have the limitations of CSM psykers....CSM psyker must choose at least 1 power or up to half their powers (rounding up) from the chart of the appropriate Chaos god. But Daemons, for example a Mastery Level 3 Great Unclean One, could choose all 3 of its powers from Biomancy (which is truly an awesome thing to use!)

 Lord Krungharr wrote:

chewielight wrote:
Can horrors or any demon use both codex and BRB powers at the same time. For instant a mastery level 3 herald switch out one power for prescience and keep the codex ones as well?

Daemons do not have the limitations of CSM psykers....CSM psyker must choose at least 1 power or up to half their powers (rounding up) from the chart of the appropriate Chaos god. But Daemons, for example a Mastery Level 3 Great Unclean One, could choose all 3 of its powers from Biomancy (which is truly an awesome thing to use!)

Yeah, that doesnt match the actual rules. Page 69

nosferatu1001 wrote:

rohansoldier wrote:
1. Can a psyker in a transport be possessed by the 11 roll on the warpstorm table?
2. Does a farseer get a ghosthelm save against it (as that is what this piece of wargear is meant to be for in the fluff)?
3. If the psyker possessed was in a vehicle, does the herald get placed within 6" of the vehicle (as it obviously can't be placed inside where the psyker was)?

Yes, they are a psyker in play
No, as it is not a perils of the warp
Yes, as it is a distance involving measuring to the unit embarked

Nope, in the faq it says units in vehicles ignore all leadership checks or something along those lines, so the 3d6 test will not affect a psyker in a transport, looked this up on Sunday

nosferatu1001 wrote:

Yeah, that doesnt match the actual rules. Page 69

Yes it does. They may roll up to half of their mastery level in their gods' disciplines, but they are not required to.

MarkyMark wrote:

Nope, in the faq it says units in vehicles ignore all leadership checks or something along those lines, so the 3d6 test will not affect a psyker in a transport, looked this up on Sunday

Not that I can find. PLease post page and paragraph

Embarked units are Fearless, which means you pass morale and pinning checks, not ALL leadership checks.


Lou - apologies, managed to misread the post I quoted.

Q:Can psychic powers or other ef ects that cause a Leadership
test,for example the Tyranids’ Psychic Scream, affect vehicles
or units embarked upon transports? (p76 / p78)
A: No.

BRB FAQ page 6.

Pretty sure this will apply as it is a leadership check on 3d6.

 Centurian99 wrote:
Here's another bunch::
1) Can the blasted standard be used to overwatch, if the horrors can't otherwise shoot because they're only armed with a psychic power?
2) Do the shots from the blasted standard benefit from the locus of conjuration?
3) May a herald of tzeentch on a chariot take the blue horror crew upgrade?
4) Do the -1 modifier from blue horror crew stack if there are multiple burning chariots within range?
5) Does a herald's locus apply to any chariot he/she is riding?
6) Can a herald in a chariot join a chariot squadron?
7) Does a soul grinder which ignores a crew shaken/stunned result also ignore the loss of a hull point?

1. No, because the Blasted Standard only does hits if the unit's other shooting hits previously. Since no previous shooting was done in that Assault phase (stupid witchfire), no Standard.
2. No, the Locus only buffs psychic powers; the Standard is not a psychic power (although it can still be denied, in a roundabout way: declare Standard before taking Psychic test, and if DtW works, you've wasted your standard.) (Stupid witchfire.)
3. Yes, the Herald profile simply replaces the Flamer profile; chariot upgrades are still possible. (Although the Herald might not get Blue/Pink fire, since those weapons are on the Flamer, and the Herald replaced the Flamer).
4. No, read the upgrade on p41: "...units within 6" of one or more...."
5. None of the Tzeentch Loci can have any effect on chariots.
6. No. Vehicles do not have the IC rule. Only vehicles that are purchased as a squadron can be considered one unit. (There might be some strange FW stuff of which I'm unaware).
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***7. Ie. is a hull point tied directly to a result on the Damage Table? Good question.

***Add another: If a Herald replaces an Exalted Flamer on a Burning Chariot, does the Herald gain the shooting attacks Blue Fire and Pink Fire?

Ignoring the damage result does not ignore that a penetrating hit was taken, and it is the penetrating hit which causes a HP loss.

Does the Herald have those rules? Any rule saying they gain those rules?

There is no mention of the Herald gaining those guns, nor does he have them. RAW is clear: no cool guns for Herald. However, the Burning Chariot is broken enough as is that perhaps they intended the weapons to transfer over and forgot to mention it. It's worth clarifying.

I seem to recall some Necron vehicle that ignores stuns and also ignores losing an HP. This might've been intended to work the same way, but was worded poorly. Again, worth clarifying.

It says on the flamer profile daemonic gifts (exalted flamer only): blue fire and pink fire, it is pretty clear the herald does not get these

MarkyMark wrote:
It says on the flamer profile daemonic gifts (exalted flamer only): blue fire and pink fire, it is pretty clear the herald does not get these

And its that required wording right there that pretty much broke the burning chariot. They had to word it in such a way so that it was known that the weapons were lost when a herald was on the chariot, but they chose a poor way of doing it, so now the entire unit is busted.

Elric Greywolf wrote:

 Centurian99 wrote:
Here's another bunch::
1) Can the blasted standard be used to overwatch, if the horrors can't otherwise shoot because they're only armed with a psychic

1. No, because the Blasted Standard only does hits if the unit's other shooting hits previously. Since no previous shooting was done in that Assault phase (stupid witchfire), no Standard.

The blasted standard can be used for overwatch: see page 64 of the codex.

"... This is done immediately before the unit makes a shooting attack (including overwatch) or attempts to manifest..."


My questions:

1. If a unit with Daemonic Instability becomes Fearless, does it still need to test for instability?

2. Since walkers don't become i1 when using unwieldy weapons, why would you pay 25pts for a warpsword?

3. Isn't the +1 BS on pyrocasters largely useless.

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I'm not sure if 2 and 3 should fall under faqs but they do seem like an oversight.

1mperator wrote:

Elric Greywolf wrote:

 Centurian99 wrote:
Here's another bunch::
1) Can the blasted standard be used to overwatch, if the horrors can't otherwise shoot because they're only armed with a psychic

1. No, because the Blasted Standard only does hits if the unit's other shooting hits previously. Since no previous shooting was done in that Assault phase (stupid witchfire), no Standard.

The blasted standard can be used for overwatch: see page 64 of the codex.

My questions:

1. If a unit with Daemonic Instability becomes Fearless, does it still need to test for instability?

2. Since walkers don't become i1 when using unwieldy weapons, why would you pay 25pts for a warpsword?

3. Isn't the +1 BS on pyrocasters largely useless.

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"... This is done immediately before the unit makes a shooting attack (including overwatch) or attempts to manifest..."

Sure, you can use it on Overwatch. But it only generates any hits if at least one of the original attacks hit. Horrors can't fire anything in Overwatch, so they will never hit anything, so the Blasted Standard will never generate any hits on Overwatch for Horrors. You can use it, but it would be a total waste.

As for your questions:

1. No, it automatically the test in combat, which would override Daemonic Instability.
2. To get an extra attack for having two CCWs.
3. Some of the Daemonic Gifts are shooting attacks, so the Pyrocaster can potentially get a non-template weapon to fire.

1) Incorrect Chrysis. Have a look at the rules for DI. It states "At the Check Morale" stage you must take a Leadership Test. Fearless does not automatically pass Leadership Tests, just Morale, Pinning, Fear etc. So you must still take it. THis is clear in the rules

YOu're also forgetting that you can get a Lesser Reward that is a ranged weapon, meaning there ARE occasions when you can fire overwatch and then use the blasted standard.

This thread is NOT for discussing rules issues. Bunch of posts removed.

Just because I am curious on GWs ruling (if they make one):

What constitutes Daemonic Gifts for the purposes of Dark Excommunication?

I do realize that atm everything except for special rules are currently tagged as Daemonic Gifts.