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 Necrosis wrote:

 stargasm wrote:

Swan-of-War wrote:


"Space Marines always win - it says so in their codex!"

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARD!!!

in fairness It pretty much does gove that impression in the codex, unless of coarse you are a chapter that isnt ultramarines, in which case you are probably going extinct, or trying your best to be as glorious as the ultras.

Even though Matt Ward wrote the codex its not his fault:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zSxQnZ3TM8

Thank you for that.

The Auld Grump

To be fair, it also says that orks always win in THEIR codex, but they are orks, so that's actually pretty reasonable, from their POV

 korbenn wrote:


So all these 1/72 airplane models I still have. All which I assembled and painted. Is there a game for that?

FFG has a wargame called wings of war, I suggest you look it up.

Not so funny one I heard.....

"Wow honey you can really smell the nerd in here....."

Thant was until the guy realized that there where 3 cops in uniform as well as a few off duty military guys staring at him.

He didn't stay long.

Me and some friends having lunch at the local Mcdonalds. We where talking about combos and stuff like that.
An older gentlemen in the booth behind us scoffed. he said
"You boys should stop playing video games and get out of the house"
We quickly corrected him and told him we where out of the house and off to the gamestore to socialize and play, which we do several times a week, I then asked him how often a week he takes his wife out of the house. He said they where on their weekly date, At Mcdonalds.

Not about a wargame, but applicable....

A publisher at a convention told customer that was planning to get one copy of his game to share at the table that 'You know, in the electronic gaming industry, thats called piracy, I tell them. And its the reason the adventure game industry will never come out of the basement. Because theres a whole ton of gamers out there who dont support their favorite authors or game lines because they wont shell out the cash because theyll just read their GMs copy.

They look stunned. Im just getting started.'....

Oddly enough the potential customer did not buy, nor did I, after reading the publisher boasting about telling a potential customer off like that.

Anybody surprised that the company is no longer in business?

And a virtual cookie to anybody that can name the game publisher.

The Auld Grump - I have also heard a book publisher complaining that getting books at a public library was just like piracy.... Some folks need to be hit with a Wiffle bat....

*EDIT* Added the actual quote....

"Warhammer games are fun!"

 BuFFo wrote:
"Warhammer games are fun!"

Edit: oh and I'm not facepalming at the quote buffo, I'm facepalming at you.

 korbenn wrote:


Reminds me all too much of Zerg ripped off Tyranids and the Blizzard ripped off Games Workshop and vice versa. Guys who founded Blizzard Software where also original founders of Games Workshop who ttok the money they earned from GW and founded the software company that gave us Starcraft and warcraft.

Errm, nope... Founders of GW; Ian Livingston, Steve Jackson and John Peake.

Founders of Blizzard; Michael Morhaime, Allen Adham, and Frank Pearce

IIRC Blizzard did reference GW in one of the earlier Warcraft games (2 I think) regarding making orcs green.

 warriorpriest wrote:
Not so funny one I heard.....

"Wow honey you can really smell the nerd in here....."

Thant was until the guy realized that there where 3 cops in uniform as well as a few off duty military guys staring at him.

He didn't stay long.

Not saying this didn't happen, but I'm finding it funny how many times I've seen variations on 'some guy/woman walked into the store, made fun of people, was intimidated to realize they were surrounded by INCREDIBLE LEVELS OF AWESOME YOU COULD CUT WITH A KNIFE, SERIOUSLY, A BACKUP BREATHING APPARATUS IS RECOMMENDED.' :-P

Like, does it really matter that there was an entire SWAT team and four sniper teams and oh my god King Kong was totally playing against Bruce Lee in a corner?

Is... is it really that common that people just randomly walk into a store to make fun of the occupants?

I'm waiting for the DCMs in the infinity thread to post some of the things I've been saying about their game as a new player. Lots of Lewis Black quotes, causes of aneurisms, and me going, "WTF IS THAT ABOUT?!"

 Forar wrote:

 warriorpriest wrote:
Not so funny one I heard.....

"Wow honey you can really smell the nerd in here....."

Thant was until the guy realized that there where 3 cops in uniform as well as a few off duty military guys staring at him.

He didn't stay long.

Not saying this didn't happen, but I'm finding it funny how many times I've seen variations on 'some guy/woman walked into the store, made fun of people, was intimidated to realize they were surrounded by INCREDIBLE LEVELS OF AWESOME YOU COULD CUT WITH A KNIFE, SERIOUSLY, A BACKUP BREATHING APPARATUS IS RECOMMENDED.' :-P

Like, does it really matter that there was an entire SWAT team and four sniper teams and oh my god King Kong was totally playing against Bruce Lee in a corner?

Is... is it really that common that people just randomly walk into a store to make fun of the occupants?

Given how many people posts that it happens I would guess it does. The guy that came into where I was at was from another store. I think he was being an asshat just trying to cause trouble

. So i guess where you game you never had a jack in the nuts talk trash.......

 warriorpriest wrote:
. So i guess where you game you never had a jack in the nuts talk trash.......

Most of my gaming time is at someone's house, so no, I guess I'm lucky that rarely do random strangers walk in and start mouthing off.

That said, inter-store 'rivalries' seem even stranger than inter-genre ones.

There are a lot of very strange people in the world.

 Forar wrote:

 warriorpriest wrote:
. So i guess where you game you never had a jack in the nuts talk trash.......

Most of my gaming time is at someone's house, so no, I guess I'm lucky that rarely do random strangers walk in and start mouthing off.

That said, inter-store 'rivalries' seem even stranger than inter-genre ones.

There are a lot of very strange people in the world.

Yes people are very weird. LOL!! I game mostly at home now but that is due to the closest store to where i live is a bit of a drive.

 TheAuldGrump wrote:
And a virtual cookie to anybody that can name the game publisher.

Sounds like something TSR would have been up to, in the heady days leading up to their ignominious death.

 TheAuldGrump wrote:
Not about a wargame, but applicable....

A publisher at a convention told customer that was planning to get one copy of his game to share at the table that 'You know, in the electronic gaming industry, thats called piracy, I tell them. And its the reason the adventure game industry will never come out of the basement. Because theres a whole ton of gamers out there who dont support their favorite authors or game lines because they wont shell out the cash because theyll just read their GMs copy.

They look stunned. Im just getting started.'....

Oddly enough the potential customer did not buy, nor did I, after reading the publisher boasting about telling a potential customer off like that.

Anybody surprised that the company is no longer in business?

Clearly sharing a book is not piracy, and it's no surprise that the sale and the company were lost. However, I do understand the base issue he was addressing. Gamers are notorious for not supporting their games, or FLGS's and then whining when they go under.

 Eilif wrote:

 TheAuldGrump wrote:
Not about a wargame, but applicable....

A publisher at a convention told customer that was planning to get one copy of his game to share at the table that 'You know, in the electronic gaming industry, thats called piracy, I tell them. And its the reason the adventure game industry will never come out of the basement. Because theres a whole ton of gamers out there who dont support their favorite authors or game lines because they wont shell out the cash because theyll just read their GMs copy.

They look stunned. Im just getting started.'....

Oddly enough the potential customer did not buy, nor did I, after reading the publisher boasting about telling a potential customer off like that.

Anybody surprised that the company is no longer in business?

Clearly sharing a book is not piracy, and it's no surprise that the sale and the company were lost. However, I do understand the base issue he was addressing. People are notorious for not supporting anything and then whining when they go under.

Fixed that for you!

The endless "Warmachine/Hordes/Infinity/Mantic/Malifaux is soooooo much better than Warhammer 40,000, the models are better, the rules are better, the game is just better, if you like 40K more than the aforementioned then you're a casual GW whiteknight sheep" crap. It's impossible to as much as metion 40K without someone telling us how his game is better than ours. For crying out loud I just want to play my game I do not need you shouting at me about how much better Waramhordes of Infinite Dropzone Mantics is! Now shut up!

For example, on this very forum, someone was asking for ways to make his games of 40K more cinematic-house rules, background music, the like. It took about 3 posts before someone said, and I quote; "If you want a cinematic game, play Infinity, it is infinitely superior to 40K in every way"

 Eilif wrote:
Clearly sharing a book is not piracy, and it's no surprise that the sale and the company were lost. However, I do understand the base issue he was addressing. Gamers are notorious for not supporting their games, or FLGS's and then whining when they go under.

I feel there's a fine line on this, however. It's totally reasonable to have a Players Handbook of sorts, even some player/character specific additions over time so that people can have their own copy of the info relevant to their character(s) on hand in a cost effective manner.

But if you look at something like Rifts, which has a core rules book or two and like seventy other world and sourcebooks, it isn't reasonable to expect a group of 5 players to buy 500+ books just so they all have their own little copy.

My group (back when I played) generally ended up with the rules book and some of their favourite/preferred world/source books on hand, but only one of us (myself) went and collected the whole thing, and I was happy to share (on game days and for other purposes), especially as we were all teenagers/young adults of modest means at the time. If a publisher told me that lending a book was akin to piracy, I flat out would laugh at them. Oh, sure, if you glance at it funny there are some similarities (someone enjoying something that they didn't personally pay for!), but there's a large difference between my lending someone a book and downloading it off piratetorrentsharebay or whatever the hot site is these days.

If nothing else, many of those 'lends' became purchased duplicate copies when said friend decided they wanted to keep reading/using the book after they returned it to me. Hell, at that point I was practically paying them to be part of their marketing time. Feel free to cut me a cheque anytime guys!

Forar,
I completely agree with you. As long as their not pirating, there is nothing at all wrong with borrowing a book, using another player's book, etc. and no one can expect everyone to own every book.

I also know that this belief exists alongside the fact that unpurchased game systems die.

Again not saying there is any kind of moral imperative to buy, just that if enough of us just borrow, than the game will go away.

Even though I buy mostly old and used minis (not a great way to support miniature production) , I'm very keen to support the indie game writers that I like, many of whom publish on PDF, like Song of Blades and Heroes. I'll lend a friend my printed copy, but I've only make one printed copy for myself and encourage others to buy the rules themselves.

 Squigsquasher wrote:
The endless "Warmachine/Hordes/Infinity/Mantic/Malifaux is soooooo much better than Warhammer 40,000, the models are better, the rules are better, the game is just better, if you like 40K more than the aforementioned then you're a casual GW whiteknight sheep" crap. It's impossible to as much as metion 40K without someone telling us how his game is better than ours. For crying out loud I just want to play my game I do not need you shouting at me about how much better Waramhordes of Infinite Dropzone Mantics is! Now shut up!

For example, on this very forum, someone was asking for ways to make his games of 40K more cinematic-house rules, background music, the like. It took about 3 posts before someone said, and I quote; "If you want a cinematic game, play Infinity, it is infinitely superior to 40K in every way"

Well said. I play 40k because I like 40k. I like the fluff as well as the models. I don't care if the rules for other games are "better". I also don't cat TOO much about the price of the game. I just budget for it and get the stuff I like. It's game for crying out loud.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:

 TheAuldGrump wrote:
And a virtual cookie to anybody that can name the game publisher.

Sounds like something TSR would have been up to, in the heady days leading up to their ignominious death.

Nope - TSR is innocent, at least in this case.

What I really thought was bloody stupid is that he is talking about a brand new game.

I don't know about you, but most folk that I know like to try a game before everybody in the group goes and buys a copy.

Pathfinder was an exception, but that had more to do with Pathfinder being D&D 3.75 and not 4e... Everybody pretty much knew what they were getting..

But if folks like the game then it is likely that they will buy more copies, so they don't need to wait while the book gets passed around the table.

So he was chasing away not one person, but at least the potential of an entire group.

So... he can rot.

I have not bought a single game from him, nor have I supported his Kickstarter.

The Auld Grump


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 Squigsquasher wrote:
The endless "Warmachine/Hordes/Infinity/Mantic/Malifaux is soooooo much better than Warhammer 40,000, the models are better, the rules are better, the game is just better, if you like 40K more than the aforementioned then you're a casual GW whiteknight sheep" crap. It's impossible to as much as metion 40K without someone telling us how his game is better than ours. For crying out loud I just want to play my game I do not need you shouting at me about how much better Waramhordes of Infinite Dropzone Mantics is! Now shut up!

For example, on this very forum, someone was asking for ways to make his games of 40K more cinematic-house rules, background music, the like. It took about 3 posts before someone said, and I quote; "If you want a cinematic game, play Infinity, it is infinitely superior to 40K in every way"

Well... it's true! :

Actually, I prefer saying that I like X game better than Y, because some folks do prefer Y to X, even if they are obviously wrong....

I definitely like Kings of War more than the current edition of Warhammer - but I have enjoyed previous editions of WHFB as much as KoW.

The Auld Grump

TAG - Would the person in question be Monte Cook, by any chance?

I doubt it. It sounds more like Kevin Sembeida than anyone else.

 frozenwastes wrote:
I doubt it. It sounds more like Kevin Sembeida than anyone else.

Can't be.

Despite shenanigans over the years, Palladium is still around, and he said this company was not.

Oops. I missed that.

Though he now has a new company... and a Kickstarter, I think.

Yep - and got his funding, back in March, looks like.

This looks like a supplement for Pathfinder

Hopefully he is wiser, this time around.

I will also say that before he went and founded (then fumbled) his own company he helped create one of my favorite role playing games - he has talent, but....

He also has a quote that I take to heart when running role-playing games, I even made a motivational poster of it:


The Auld Grump, after that... you only get half a cookie.

Another fart of a wargaming statement:

"New citadel paints are BULLCRAP!!!!!!"

I could have nominated any of the "I say x is y, so x IS y" quotes floating around dakka, but I thought this even worse than the others.

 sing your life wrote:
Another fart of a wargaming statement:

"New citadel paints are BULLCRAP!!!!!!"

I could have nominated any of the "I say x is y, so x IS y" quotes floating around dakka, but I thought this even worse than the others.

So any statement of opinion is stupid? Noted.

(Point of fact, I enjoy the new colors)

 gunslingerpro wrote:

 sing your life wrote:
Another fart of a wargaming statement:

"New citadel paints are BULLCRAP!!!!!!"

I could have nominated any of the "I say x is y, so x IS y" quotes floating around dakka, but I thought this even worse than the others.

So any statement of opinion is stupid? Noted.

(Point of fact, I enjoy the new colors)

I guess so. What I've gathered from the OP is any criticism of GW is a "stupid thing". We had this out about the paints on the previous page. OP, we get it; you're a fanboi of GW's new paint range.

I enjoy some of the colours. I also love CD'Arms inks as GW's washes are crap (except for Nuln oil). Vallejo is my go-to paint range, not least because they're cheaper than GW. GW is still my go to for metallics.

Many people have been irked by GW and their paints not once, but twice in very recent memory. First they got rid of the inks, then they got rid of their whole paint range and replaced it with another one which does not match in many key areas, forcing them to go elsewhere to complete preexisting armies.