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 Alfndrate wrote:
I prefer roasted loyalists with my Heldrake cheese

Really dear chap? I think that the dismembered bodies of enamies torn apart by a literal wall of bolts makes a jolly good sauce for my fine banner ravenwing cheese .

fishy bob wrote:

Unless they want to recreate a battle from a Codex or BL novel.

Even then, there tends to be a "win condition" for both sides, even if that win condition is recreate the battle faithfully.

 sing your life wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:
I prefer roasted loyalists with my Heldrake cheese

Really dear chap? I think that the dismembered bodies of enemies torn apart by a literal wall of bolts makes a jolly good sauce for my fine banner ravenwing cheese .

INDUBITABLY! And I would love to try that banner list some time... too bad I'm lacking in several things, namely Ravenwing bikes

We need an orkmoticon with a top hat and monocle

 Alfndrate wrote:

 sing your life wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:
I prefer roasted loyalists with my Heldrake cheese

Really dear chap? I think that the dismembered bodies of enemies torn apart by a literal wall of bolts makes a jolly good sauce for my fine banner ravenwing cheese .

INDUBITABLY! And I would love to try that banner list some time... too bad I'm lacking in several things, namely Ravenwing bikes

Same, I only have 6 bikes .

 MrMoustaffa wrote:

"I don't play to win, I play to tell a story"

Stupidest one I've heard. You are playing a story, I would hope your commander is trying to win. Even orks go into battle with a goal in mind, even if its just to get a good scrap in.

My first instinct was to disagree, but I read the rest of your post and you convinced me what you are saying is sound.

"I play to win and I like to tell a story" is far more realistic. My approach is probably "I play to find out what happens and do my best to make sure what happens is my side winning."

As for the MTG comments, Wizards has done a great job supporting all sorts of level of play for their product. From casual kitchen table players to those who travel the pro tour. There really is no single "cost" of MTG you can point at. But if we're going for what it takes to play the full game, MTG definitely wins as the event decks and release decks for each set totally work for a full and fun game. And they're like $30-$60 for enough cards for both players.

Relapse wrote:
A college kid walked into my FLGS with his girl friend and started talking crap to her about grown men playing with toys and how they don't have lives, etc., etc. before he really took a good look at who was in the store playing those games.
About half the players there were less than three months back from Iraq or Afghanastan and before he walked in were happily engaged in a tournament.
Once he actually realized at what he had walked into the middle of and the quality of the men he was trying to insult he quickly shut up and dragged his girlfriend from the store, never to be seen again.

The only FLGS within an hour of me (at which point you're in the Melbourne CBD) constitutes regular nerds of what you'd typically expect.

When I went to a hobby store (not-wargaming) in the city to look for something I was the youngest one in there, and I was 20 at the time. It was more of a store for acquiring train stuff, and most of the people there were middle aged in business suits, most with their wives.

I thought that was probably the sweetest thing I had ever seen that so many people didn't care about competing each other who was the cooler nerd; they were just there to be hobbyists with their regular lives without fulfiling a stereotype.

Just found this monstrosity over at 1D4chan:

"They [the GW paints] have the best metallic paints available, but the range of their [sic] colour paints is a bit lacking."

104 differant paint colours [122 if you include dry and edge] is "lacking"?

 sing your life wrote:
Just found this monstrosity over at 1D4chan:

"They [the GW paints] have the best metallic paints available, but the range of their [sic] colour paints is a bit lacking."

104 differant paint colours [122 if you include dry and edge] is "lacking"?

Well to be fair, GW doesn't have a very good lineup of natural/earth-tone paints. They're great when you want intense, bright colors, but if you want natural earthy colors, Vallejo or even P3 are a better bet.

I still prefer the GW metallics over all the others I've tried.

~Tim?

 sing your life wrote:
Just found this monstrosity over at 1D4chan:

"They [the GW paints] have the best metallic paints available, but the range of their [sic] colour paints is a bit lacking."

104 different paint colours [122 if you include dry and edge] is "lacking"?

Kind of...

Vallejo Colors:
Game Color: 119 colors
Model Color: 218 colors
Model Air: 121 colors (their Airbrush line has more, and is 1 short if you include dry and edge)

Reaper Paints:
Master Series Paint: 216 colors
Master Series Paint HD: 38 colors

Privateer Press Paiints:
Formula P3: 73 colors

They might not be as lacking as other companies, but there are 2 paint lines out there that have more than double what GW has, not including dry and edge.

Every time i have a game with my friends my wife and two boys start saying "Pew Pew Pew.. Pew Pew"

 Rotary wrote:
Every time i have a game with my friends my wife and two boys start saying "Pew Pew Pew.. Pew Pew"

That's not stupid, that's fething adorable

 Rotary wrote:
Every time i have a game with my friends my wife and two boys start saying "Pew Pew Pew.. Pew Pew"

You don't do that? I thought everyone did that. Sound effects are awesome.

I always envisioned DE Venoms to make the sound from the Jetson's when they moved.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnT1VgeXOF0

 sing your life wrote:
Just found this monstrosity over at 1D4chan:

"They [the GW paints] have the best metallic paints available, but the range of their [sic] colour paints is a bit lacking."

104 different paint colours [122 if you include dry and edge] is "lacking"?

I really don't see how anyone can like the new GW metalics, they require a ton of shaking and never go on smoothly for me. Vallejo model air metals make them look plain laughable and I still prefer my old pot of boltgun over the new.. I want to say Ledbleacher?

 Easy E wrote:
"You are doing it wrong."

Amazing how many people think that there's only one way to run an army - or rather, think there's only a specific set of ways to run an army.

My personal story with this one: I play Tau (Been playing on and off since 4th Edition), and when I started tinkering with the 6e rules, I found an army that worked for me. Sure, I play around with what I add for support, but mostly it's the same list. Couple of troops, couple of pathfinders, a Riptide, three Missile Broadsides, and an Ion Cannon Hammerhead. Whatever's left over, I throw in extra goodies to support the army, sometimes with an ally, sometimes just adding a bunch of Crisis Suits. It works great, I don't think I've yet lost a game at my FLGS with it. And yet, I've heard more than one person tell me I'm not playing it right because I'm not spamming anything, I'm running a little bit of everything. Granted, these are mainly people who come up to the store once in a blue moon, but still. My method works, darn it!

I think my favorite comment, though, was someone who looked over my army, looked at my list, and said, "Running kinda power-heavy, aren't you?" This, in a list with my usual one of each heavy hitter and something approximating five full squads of Fire Warriors. What more do you want me to take to make it less power heavy?

After I bought a battleforce, my cousin said "why would you pay 100 bucks for toy soldiers when you could just go to the dollar store and get the same amount for $1"

After explaining wargaming to him, he said "God that sounds stupid"

I guess its just not a hobby for everybody

When you stick up your army list and the first response is along the lines of:

"Why does you take ***

Why would you *** on a ***"

Cheers for the help bro!

Or when you specifically state a lack of flyer spam at your FLGS (or somethign else along those lines) and someone replies "what if you play against 3 heldrakes/ 6 valkyries"

Or generally posting one army list idea, mentioning it is what you have in you collection/ want to run something similar for fluff or aesthetic reasons and the replies tellyou to basically scrap eveything in exchange for some kind of spam list. If i wanted a spam list i would have bloody well written one! if my list doesn't include a single anni barge, do you really think i want to run 3?

 jonolikespie wrote:

 sing your life wrote:
Just found this monstrosity over at 1D4chan:

"They [the GW paints] have the best metallic paints available, but the range of their [sic] colour paints is a bit lacking."

104 different paint colours [122 if you include dry and edge] is "lacking"?

I really don't see how anyone can like the new GW metalics, they require a ton of shaking and never go on smoothly for me. Vallejo model air metals make them look plain laughable and I still prefer my old pot of boltgun over the new.. I want to say Ledbleacher?

Personally I've been getting good results from the new GW metallics. They have a great Finish and I can fix the seperation problem with just a few seconds of shaking.

Oh and It's Leadbelcher not Ledbleacher.

In the first Dutch GW store not by the staff mind you.

Guy in GW store: So what do you play?
Me: I don't play anything I like miniature painting and modelbuilding.
Guy in GW store: So you only do half a hobby. (Not THE hobby but A hobby) Granted this was before pre-painted models.
Me:
Me: Explanes about my modelbuilding and me branching out into miniatures.
Guy in GW store: Well its still like half A hobby.

So all these 1/72 airplane models I still have. All which I assembled and painted. Is there a game for that?

 korbenn wrote:
In the first Dutch GW store not by the staff mind you.

So all these 1/72 airplane models I still have. All which I assembled and painted. Is there a game for that?

Take a look at 'Check Your 6!'.

I am going to guess that this is going to make people mad:

"Warmachine is a inferior rip-off of Warhammer 40k".

Yes, because you put toy soldiers on the table, roll dice, and fight other said player is automatically the same thing/ rip-off even though the rules are way different for each system. Even Warmachine and Warhammer 40k have a vastly different setting....

 Tanakosyke22 wrote:
I am going to guess that this is going to make people mad:

"Warmachine is a inferior rip-off of Warhammer 40k".

Yes, because you put toy soldiers on the table, roll dice, and fight other said player is automatically the same thing/ rip-off even though the rules are way different for each system. Even Warmachine and Warhammer 40k have a vastly different setting....

Reminds me all too much of Zerg ripped off Tyranids and the Blizzard ripped off Games Workshop and vice versa. Guys who founded Blizzard Software where also original founders of Games Workshop who ttok the money they earned from GW and founded the software company that gave us Starcraft and warcraft.

I got another one. Maybe it was already posted.

I was at a Gothic Fantasy fair in a local convention center. They had one stand who sold games and miniatures.
I was browsing through a box of old discounted 40k miniatures since these fairs are good places too get discounted stock of merchants. (Got me some nice and cheap metal terminators.)

This was around the time Warmachine had just come out.

Guy walks up to me and sees me getting 40k mini's and tells me Warmachine is a better game than Warhammer 40k because Warmachine's manual said so.

Yeah if this was true GW would have a) sued for slander and b) Privateteer press would have lowered it's self too a 12 year old's level of insults.
I think he meant the part in the Warmachine description that said they where EXTREME or something. Boy did he sound like a stupid fanboy.


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 infinite_array wrote:

 korbenn wrote:
In the first Dutch GW store not by the staff mind you.

So all these 1/72 airplane models I still have. All which I assembled and painted. Is there a game for that?

Take a look at 'Check Your 6!'.

Ha ha ha Oh wow!

That upset me a little. Not about the game that's cool and all, but that guy actually being sort of right.

 korbenn wrote:

 Tanakosyke22 wrote:
I am going to guess that this is going to make people mad:

"Warmachine is a inferior rip-off of Warhammer 40k".

Yes, because you put toy soldiers on the table, roll dice, and fight other said player is automatically the same thing/ rip-off even though the rules are way different for each system. Even Warmachine and Warhammer 40k have a vastly different setting....

Reminds me all too much of Zerg ripped off Tyranids and the Blizzard ripped off Games Workshop and vice versa. Guys who founded Blizzard Software where also original founders of Games Workshop who ttok the money they earned from GW and founded the software company that gave us Starcraft and warcraft.

I got another one. Maybe it was already posted.

I was at a Gothic Fantasy fair in a local convention center. They had one stand who sold games and miniatures.
I was browsing through a box of old discounted 40k miniatures since these fairs are good places too get discounted stock of merchants. (Got me some nice and cheap metal terminators.)

This was around the time Warmachine had just come out.

Guy walks up to me and sees me getting 40k mini's and tells me Warmachine is a better game than Warhammer 40k because Warmachine's manual said so.

Yeah if this was true GW would have a) sued for slander and b) Privateteer press would have lowered it's self too a 12 year old's level of insults.
I think he meant the part in the Warmachine description that said they where EXTREME or something. Boy did he sound like a stupid fanboy.

Now, I am a fan of Warmachine/Hordes (and this is coming from a 40k/ fantasy background), and he was quite wrong on that since he was taking page 5 a bit too seriously although it is suppose to be a message about Wargaming in general about how to take loss well and how you are not always going to win, and learn from your failure a bit. Take it with a grain of salt since page 5 tends to take itself not too seriously (although a bit controversial from some aspect from what I have seen, and the MK II page 5 is much more tone down). But yeah, quite a stupid thing to hear, and that is coming from a Warmachine/Hordes player as well. (and in no way, am I trying to start a PP Vs GW thing at all with this. )

And for the Blizzard ripping off GW, I think that has gotten past the point of old now, at it is not even relevant anymore. Hell, I grew up with Warcraft and Starcraft before I ever heard of Warhammer 40k, and then I did not really see how those two ripped off 40k/ Fantasy when I saw it.

A new member of our club called 40k a tactical war game.. and 5 minutes later after we stopped laughing , we realised he was being deadly serious !

(We had to show him what actual tactical game play was, a quick game of Blood bowl later and he understood. )

 Polonius wrote:
The statemetn about games in general that bugs me "quick to learn, hard to master."

It's the game marketing equivilent to "pro painted."

Another good one you read on forums is 'doing a commission' - brings images of a business fulfilling an order to mind within a painting studio, but I'm sure in 75% of cases is just someone offering to paint some marines for a mate before probably forgetting about it and then handing the miniatures back several years later unpainted.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

Isn't that the tagline for every Mantic ruleset or boardgame?

That phrase has been around for way longer than Mantic.

 Pacific wrote:

 Polonius wrote:
The statemetn about games in general that bugs me "quick to learn, hard to master."

It's the game marketing equivilent to "pro painted."

Another good one you read on forums is 'doing a commission' - brings images of a business fulfilling an order to mind within a painting studio, but I'm sure in 75% of cases is just someone offering to paint some marines for a mate before probably forgetting about it and then handing the miniatures back several years later unpainted.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

Isn't that the tagline for every Mantic ruleset or boardgame?

That phrase has been around for way longer than Mantic.

For me 'doing a commission' means:
'I am getting paid for this, so shut up, my own figures will be painted after these are done/I can't go to the pub until these are finished [delete unused]!

'Cause I don't get paid until I hand them over/I have already been paid and really need to get these painted and out the door [delete unused]'.

I had to paint seven Bones dragons before I could even get started on my own. And taking those commissions were what allowed me to get the Bones Kickstarter....

Last one went into the mail today - Kaladrax.

Sorry - I got a bunch of e-mails asking how many of the new Bones and Mantic figures I have managed to get done for myself... makes me cranky, because I haven't been able to paint even one for myself yet. And I still have some Mantic figures that need to be done, but, thank the gods! they can wait. (Not a real commission on that one - I am painting them for my girlfriend's dwarf army in KoW - we will be painting those together. )

Stupidest thing? 'You won't need to invest much money or time in [Any Miniatures Game In The World], just one or two units and *boom!* you're done!'

The Auld Grump

Most stupid thing I've ever heard about a wargame?...easy...

"Weren't the Squat homeworlds eaten by tyranids so there are no more Squats?"

 TheAuldGrump wrote:

 Pacific wrote:

 Polonius wrote:
The statemetn about games in general that bugs me "quick to learn, hard to master."

It's the game marketing equivilent to "pro painted."

Another good one you read on forums is 'doing a commission' - brings images of a business fulfilling an order to mind within a painting studio, but I'm sure in 75% of cases is just someone offering to paint some marines for a mate before probably forgetting about it and then handing the miniatures back several years later unpainted.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

Isn't that the tagline for every Mantic ruleset or boardgame?

That phrase has been around for way longer than Mantic.

For me 'doing a commission' means:
'I am getting paid for this, so shut up, my own figures will be painted after these are done/I can't go to the pub until these are finished [delete unused]!

'Cause I don't get paid until I hand them over/I have already been paid and really need to get these painted and out the door [delete unused]'.

I had to paint seven Bones dragons before I could even get started on my own. And taking those commissions were what allowed me to get the Bones Kickstarter....

Last one went into the mail today - Kaladrax.

Sorry - I got a bunch of e-mails asking how many of the new Bones and Mantic figures I have managed to get done for myself... makes me cranky, because I haven't been able to paint even one for myself yet. And I still have some Mantic figures that need to be done, but, thank the gods! they can wait. (Not a real commission on that one - I am painting them for my girlfriend's dwarf army in KoW - we will be painting those together. )

Stupidest thing? 'You won't need to invest much money or time in [Any Miniatures Game In The World], just one or two units and *boom!* you're done!'

The Auld Grump

Holy crap do I feel your pain...I haven't been able to paint anything of my own for almost 6 months. I've got half my O&Gs waiting to be redone, and a whole buncha' Dust Tactics stuff. And don't get me started on my WiP modular Stalingrad/CoD board...Plus it looks like it could be 6 MORE months until I can get time to paint my stuff.

~Tim?

"Lord of the Rings totally ripped-off Harry Potter..."

"Space Marines always win - it says so in their codex!"

Swan-of-War wrote:


"Space Marines always win - it says so in their codex!"

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARD!!!

in fairness It pretty much does gove that impression in the codex, unless of coarse you are a chapter that isnt ultramarines, in which case you are probably going extinct, or trying your best to be as glorious as the ultras.

 stargasm wrote:

Swan-of-War wrote:


"Space Marines always win - it says so in their codex!"

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARD!!!

in fairness It pretty much does gove that impression in the codex, unless of coarse you are a chapter that isnt ultramarines, in which case you are probably going extinct, or trying your best to be as glorious as the ultras.

Even though Matt Ward wrote the codex its not his fault:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zSxQnZ3TM8