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Hmm, I took this as a specific challenge to mothers who never lose their baby weight, not an attack on the generally obese.

 Ahtman wrote:
Lets not forget that it doesn't always relate to eating to much or being lazy. There are other reasons why people gain weight, medication being a big one, and some diseases as well.

I had alluded to that, we all have our own "challenges" that can make something like maintaining a healthy weight harder for some.
It is where it falls in the priority list that determines how bad it gets.
Our UFO friend here it could be in the top 3 while for others it may not make the top 10.

Society keeps distracting us to look for things outside ourselves to correct something we don't like... there's an app for that!
Lipo-suction, various forms of stomach banding/stapling, joining clubs/gym basic training courses, special prepared drug/food plans it seems to say you cannot possibly do it yourself.

Eat small amounts at regular intervals, raise your heart rate at a sustained level for at least a half hour a day and supposedly that is all that is needed to be OK.
Then you find out tons of other little gems to help you along... you know you should drink as little as possible during a meal so you can feel full? 20 minutes is what it takes to feel full so do not eat a second helping until that time... it is just irritating how often there is some "expert" telling us what to do and they know no better than the next guy.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
and parents having the cops called for delivering an appropriate spanking to misbehaving brats.

"Appropriate" spanking?

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Be ashamed. Be very ashamed.

 Some_Call_Me_Tim? wrote:
Dang, I totally lost track of what the article was about when I saw her picture. That's one attractive lady.

I'm better now though, so here are my .02 cents: the fat-acceptance movement kinda worries me. Being really overweight really shouldn't be celebrated. We live in an increasingly sedentary society and the basic American diet is waaay too heavy on sugars, carbs, and fats. People need to be encouraged to take good care of their bodies. Does everyone need to be as fit and toned as Mrs. Kang? Heck no! But you need to eat well and try to exercise, even if you can only 30 minutes of cardio a day. Being unhealthy just makes you miserable, and the fact that there's a movement to promote unhealthy living boggles my mind. I

~Tim?

Pretty much this. I've lost close to 70 pounds and 4 pants sizes since June. I changed my diet and get about 60- 90 mins of gym time (including travel and shower time) in 5 days a week. I typically do it during my lunch hour at work, which it looks like many of you get. Work at an office and want to decompress? Can't recommend going to the gym enough. I typically do a 10-15 minute cardio warmup followed by high rep lifting. It's not hard at all

@UFO - instead of bingeing, you'd be much better off allowing yourself some of those sweets as part of your normal diet. We've cut down on our processed food considerably (we cook from relative scratch 5-6 days a week) but don't completely cut out sweets. My guilty pleasure is red vines my wife's is dark chocolate. Allow yourself a treat as part of your normal diet and you won't binge on it later.

But really, lots of excuses here, and that woman, while fit, isn't in the kind of shape that takes more than eating healthy and getting regular exercise to maintain. Despite what Lena Dunham wants you to believe, being overweight isn't healthy. Lose a few pounds and your body will thank you. Plus you'll just feel better.


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@Talizvar - that's the thing that most concerns me about the ADA calling obesity a disease. It doesn't do anything to encourage a lifestyle change.

I get up at 5:45 in the morning. at work by 7. I Push carts up a hill for two hours. Go to class until 2:00 with a small lunch break. YEah I could exercise between class and work. But I would be sweaty at work and stink, My boss would not like that. I work for another tw hours sitting at a cash register which puts me to sleep(Sitting at a cash register at the end of the day is tiring, if im up and around I dont get tired) Then i finally gt home at 6. 11 hours of work. 11 hours. You think i can get up and go to the gym? And I have even more oodles of homework during the weekend.
I personally dont get why it is ok to attack ANYONE in general, let people live their goddamn lives.


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Also I say, Be proud of who you are, Be happy and love you are. Life is too short

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I personally dont get why it is ok to attack ANYONE in general, let people live their goddamn lives.

Well, we have a whole thread full of insufferably self righteous bootstrappy types telling poor people on food stamps how to fix their stupid lives and not be so poor and lazy, might as well have an additional one with the same types helping out fat people not being so fat and lazy. It's kind of noble really.

If I don't exercise durng the day, I typically do so at around 8pm

I'm also pretty tired of all the overweight people that think wearing tights as pants or wearing belly shirts is an okay fashion for them to adopt. It isn't. But then again, I've never worn gak that doesn't fit me or my body type for the sake of being fashionable.

I don't think being proud of being fat is something we should espouse.


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 Ouze wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I personally dont get why it is ok to attack ANYONE in general, let people live their goddamn lives.

Well, we have a whole thread full of insufferably self righteous bootstrappy types telling poor people on food stamps how to fix their stupid lives and not be so poor and lazy, might as well have an additional one with the same types helping out fat people not being so fat and lazy. It's kind of noble really.

The good news is that no one is forcing you to participate. Besides, in the thread you're alluding to those of us commenting here were simply stating that we don't believe non nutritional junk food and sugary drinks should be covered by SNAP. Which actually ties into this thread well.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 timetowaste85 wrote:
and parents having the cops called for delivering an appropriate spanking to misbehaving brats.

"Appropriate" spanking?

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Be ashamed. Be very ashamed.

Yup. You play baseball and break a neighbor's window by being careless? Grounded for a week. Do it again, having not learned a lesson? Mild spanking. I'm not advocating BEATING a child. There is a huge difference between a spanking and a beating. So, yes. Appropriate spanking. But thanks for proving my point about how different things are these days. I rest my case.

 cincydooley wrote:
If I don't exercise durng the day, I typically do so at around 8pm

I'm also pretty tired of all the overweight people that think wearing tights as pants or wearing belly shirts is an okay fashion for them to adopt. It isn't. But then again, I've never worn gak that doesn't fit me or my body type for the sake of being fashionable.

I don't think being proud of being fat is something we should espouse.

Looks like me and you are destined to disagree on alot. I dont think it is right for you to make other people feel bad about themselves

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I dont think it is right for you to make other people feel bad about themselves

But guys, how will fat people know they're fat if we don't shame them, and show them a skinny woman? Stop ruining this noble effort.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Yup. You play baseball and break a neighbor's window by being careless? Grounded for a week. Do it again, having not learned a lesson? Mild spanking.

I think all that teaches a child is that it's sometimes OK try and get what you want with physical violence*.

I mean, I'm not an expert. That's my opinion. I could be wrong and you could be totally right. But my limited, anecdotal experience says that corporal punishment is not a useful teaching tool because it doesn't teach the correct lesson and the people I have known who were subjected to it had measurably worse outcomes than those who did. This actually might make an interesting thread in and of itself, no shortage of parents in the OT.


*which isn't a bad lesson, since that's how the world at large often works, I suppose.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
If I don't exercise durng the day, I typically do so at around 8pm

I'm also pretty tired of all the overweight people that think wearing tights as pants or wearing belly shirts is an okay fashion for them to adopt. It isn't. But then again, I've never worn gak that doesn't fit me or my body type for the sake of being fashionable.

I don't think being proud of being fat is something we should espouse.

Looks like me and you are destined to disagree on alot. I dont think it is right for you to make other people feel bad about themselves

How is me saying I think people that wear gak that fits their body type making someone feel bad about themselves? I don't wear skinny jeans or tight fit t shirts because they look terrible on me because my body type doesn't support it.

Believe it or not, not everything is made for everyone. And that's okay. But I won't apologize for saying people should dress to their body type.

 cincydooley wrote:
isn't in the kind of shape that takes more than eating healthy and getting regular exercise to maintain.

*cough*bs*cough*

 Ahtman wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
isn't in the kind of shape that takes more than eating healthy and getting regular exercise to maintain.

*cough*bs*cough*

No, it isn't. She's fit, but she isn't overly toned. Her arms are "normal". She doesn't have a 6 pack.

 cincydooley wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
If I don't exercise durng the day, I typically do so at around 8pm

I'm also pretty tired of all the overweight people that think wearing tights as pants or wearing belly shirts is an okay fashion for them to adopt. It isn't. But then again, I've never worn gak that doesn't fit me or my body type for the sake of being fashionable.

I don't think being proud of being fat is something we should espouse.

Looks like me and you are destined to disagree on alot. I dont think it is right for you to make other people feel bad about themselves

How is me saying I think people that wear gak that fits their body type making someone feel bad about themselves? I don't wear skinny jeans or tight fit t shirts because they look terrible on me because my body type doesn't support it.

Believe it or not, not everything is made for everyone. And that's okay. But I won't apologize for saying people should dress to their body type.

I was talking about the final line sentence, let people be. They are not hurting anyone.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I wonder how much she makes or her husband makes that she can afford that body with kids.
And Seaward, It is not that they are off limits it is that having common decency not to be rude to someone has gone away. If this mother went up t someone on the street my size and said "What is your excuse" She would be so in the wrong.

Then learn to stand on your own two feet, and while I say put the bit between your teeth, stop horsing around and treat her comments as a carrot rather than a stick.

Mhmmm, Now I want Carrot Cake.

 cincydooley wrote:
No, it isn't. She's fit, but she isn't overly toned. Her arms are "normal". She doesn't have a 6 pack.

Besides a 6-pack not being the only indication of tone, I think you must be blind, or at the very least have an internet skewed perspective on what is normal and what is fit. Like the people on 4chan saying Scarlet Johanssen is obese.



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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Mhmmm, Now I want Carrot Cake.

Now I do too.

 Frazzled wrote:

 PrehistoricUFO wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

And by the way, I have a full day just like you. I work 5am - 1:30 pm, hit the gym, then go off to my campus to sit in classes until I'm home at 9pm. We all have busy schedules, what you choose to fit into it is again, up to you. If I were in your position, I'd go to the gym at night and then go straight to bed, like you proposed.

Dude you don't know what the feth a full day is.

Please tell me how operating for 18+ hours isn't a full day? Gtfo buddy. *rolls eyes*

You're not doing 18+ hours a day. You're doing a part time job, farting around and then doing some evening classes.

Your average working mom would view that as a dream given form.

For what it's worth, I'd like to point out that being a student doesn't involve exclusively just putzing around, and it's certainly not easy, assuming you're actually dedicated to your studies.
There was a period of a few months back when I was working myself to the point of 2 hours a night on average. It got so bad that I was unable to actually remember much during that period, and even now, that series of months is still a blur to me. If you were to ask me anything that happened during the period of January through early February of this year, I honestly couldn't tell you.

 Fafnir wrote:
If you were to ask me anything that happened during the period of January through early February of this year, I honestly couldn't tell you.

So lectures, tutorials, labs, study groups, assignments, all a blur eh? That was time well spent.

 Ouze wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I personally dont get why it is ok to attack ANYONE in general, let people live their goddamn lives.

Well, we have a whole thread full of insufferably self righteous bootstrappy types telling poor people on food stamps how to fix their stupid lives and not be so poor and lazy, might as well have an additional one with the same types helping out fat people not being so fat and lazy. It's kind of noble really.

This is ironic.

If you don't like the thread, don't post. Seems like advice that may seem familiar to you.

I have an apple crisp in the oven. I also ran 2 miles and did a fair number of push-ups and sit-ups today.

I think the two should cancel each other out.

I felt like making an on-topic, off-topic post.

 cincydooley wrote:
If I don't exercise durng the day, I typically do so at around 8pm

I'm also pretty tired of all the overweight people that think wearing tights as pants or wearing belly shirts is an okay fashion for them to adopt. It isn't. But then again, I've never worn gak that doesn't fit me or my body type for the sake of being fashionable.

I don't think being proud of being fat is something we should espouse.

I agree with your fashion advice here... And I honestly believe that if you are happy with how you look, etc. then go for it, but as soon as you bitch and moan about it, then it's up to you to fix it.

Do I have that 28 inch waist that I did when I was 20? Nope, but then again, I got married, got severely injured Mountain Biking, and ultimately got sick of being out of shape. Heck, I don't even want to be that small again. Simply because the main activity which drives my desire for being fit, having a bit of heft is a definite plus. (I wear the #2 jersey on my rugby club ) Sure, there are definite advantages to being a lighter weight, but ultimately, I believe that if you can build it and maintain it, you can definitely be quite healthy with more weight on your frame


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 djones520 wrote:
I have an apple crisp in the oven. I also ran 2 miles and did a fair number of push-ups and sit-ups today.

I think the two should cancel each other out.

I felt like making an on-topic, off-topic post.

Yeah, I had a good practice at the rugby club, so we went to a local "club" to get pitchers of beer and dive bar food

I don't find this womans pic offensive (being overweight myself) but I can see why some might, when I first saw it I did think she was telling fat people she has time to care for three kids and still work out, so why cant fat people. On that topic I dont work out as honestly I have a lot of stuff going on that mentally drain me, so I don't have the mental energy to go 'Well, time to wear myself out physically".


Off topic but I just want to say, people saying overweight/obese please remember that obese and overweight are two different things, those who are overweight are in no real danger of those illnesses and conditions associated with weight issues, and as long as there is no weight gain you are pretty fine, although losing weight is still good (I'll lose it eventually), where as obese is the danger zone, where you are in greater risk of all those bad things (stroke, heart attacks, etc...) and you are medically advised to lose weight.

Should I be amused or worried that this thread is attracting a veritable hurricane of attention?

 DukeBadham wrote:
I don't find this womans pic offensive

The picture isn't the part that is causing the problems so much as the text that accompanies it.

cadbren wrote:

 Fafnir wrote:
If you were to ask me anything that happened during the period of January through early February of this year, I honestly couldn't tell you.

So lectures, tutorials, labs, study groups, assignments, all a blur eh? That was time well spent.

That's kind of the point I was making. Depending on how out of control your schedule gets, you can end up losing more than you gain.

 Ahtman wrote:

 DukeBadham wrote:
I don't find this womans pic offensive

The picture isn't the part that is causing the problems so much as the text that accompanies it.

Didn't make it clear, I meant the pic with accompanying text, sorry.

 PrehistoricUFO wrote:

 KingCracker wrote:

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:
Struggling to see the attack directed at fat people here

Yea I'm a fat dude, and I didn't take any offense to that at all. And it's true, if you want to be healthy and look good, the is really only one thing stopping you, and that's you.

You won't convince any of us that you're fat when your avatar clearly shows your extremely well-developed body!!

You made me laugh. That my friend....was well played

 cincydooley wrote:
Despite what Lena Dunham wants you to believe, being overweight isn't healthy. Lose a few pounds and your body will thank you. Plus you'll just feel better.

The problem is that losing weight isn't healthy either. My little sister is currently doing her doc in kinesiology and told me a bit about her subject. Nothing is healthy about being overweight. It's a worse vector for disease than smoking and alchool. When you are losing fat, you're apparently releasing an accumulated amount of toxins and heavy metals that had been sealed in fat. And for those large enough, losing weight will also lead to the need for surgery.

Really, from what I get, the answer is to never let yourself go down that road.

Thats MUCH easier said then done, and Im ignoring people that have conditions that just help them become fat, Im talking just plain ol lazy bones such as my self.



Damn you flaming hot cheetos! DAMN YOU TO HELL! *shakes fists*