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SO I could run around with phantom "counts as" wraithlords?

Give or take, the Phantoms would be slightly taller and slightly less substantial, but I'd be surprised if any reasonable opponent had too much of an issue with it.




Titan bases were 60mm, should give you an idea...

I know the modern Warlord Titan model is the height of a Space Marine Dreadnought.

would be pretty cool if people didnt try and sell a single phantom titan for $45-$60 on e-bay.

Dang, those modles were significantly bigger than I thought they were. A bunch of Riptide sized titans when the regular minis are the size of Risk figures would be pretty dang awesome.

I always thought Apocolypse could work if 40K was 15mm, but in 28mm it just seems to fill a table to bursting and like said before, you are just removing all your lovingly painted minis by the bucketful when they've only been there a turn or two.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
I always thought Apocolypse could work if 40K was 15mm, but in 28mm it just seems to fill a table to bursting and like said before, you are just removing all your lovingly painted minis by the bucketful when they've only been there a turn or two.

You know when there is a war going on people die... and the more people and guns there are on each side the more stuff that dies... I don't see why people don't seem to understand this? yes your models are nicely painted... now what are you going to do with them? hang them from your ceiling so you can admire them while you fall asleep? How about putting them on a board and having them blast pieces of the board and have them get blasted off the board as well. That sounds alot more fun. Just because you spent a long time painting them doesn't mean apocalypse games suck because they arent on the field for forever. I know how long it takes to paint armies. I hand paint all of my units (no airbrush) and 1 guardian takes me near 2 hours to paint and i'm not even a pro painter so i dont have all the shading and cool stuff that a pro puts on there. But i still like to set up my 15,000 worth of points and kill someone elses 15,000 worth of points. I have 2 (soon to be 3) titans that i would like to field now and then but because everyone has the 1250 - 1850 point game mentality engraved into their heads like its the gaking bible or something means i don't get to see it very often.

Just seems like an exercise in dice rolling between two gun-lines.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
Just seems like an exercise in dice rolling between two gun-lines.

Only if you promote gunlines. I have 2 squads of striking scorpions, a squad of banshees, a squad of harlequins, 4 squads of 10 storm guardians, 2 squads of fire dragons that have a pretty short range, 3 avatars, 6 wraithlords. Thats alot of melee units for a gunline army dont you think? I dont even have enough wave serpents to put all the squads into them so I have alot of eldar on foot at the start of the game. Apocalypse is as fun or as boring as you make it. It is not inherintly boring as everything thinks. If you hate gunlines but bring a gunline to a game then of course your going to hate apoc. But if you play for *gasp* fun then you might actually find that apoc isn't that bad.

I think the funniest thing is that the people who don't like stronghold assault, dont like escalation, and don't like apocalypse are not very casual players (i'm talking about the people who are so adamantly against it like its a sin or something). Everyone else just follows their lead like they do when they copy their netlists. They read stuff on the internet and because some people say its bad then its the end all be all of the discussion rather then finding out for themselves. Then again we do live in a day and age of mindless sheep so I guess I can't expect much.

My Kroot Mercenary army (or Sisters of Battle for that matter, lol) says I'm kind of a casual player.

Just seems the majority of people just want a gunline war. Seems like that's all that is going to happen when Titans and superheavies hit the table.

and yet you also have Crons (top teir army) eldar (top teir army) GK (top teir army) looks like Dark angels (mid teir) and Space marines (mid teir). From your signature block one could very easily see you as a FOTM player that changes your faction to fit the current meta.

How do you know he didn't start crons when they dropped in 2e? That's an awful lot of assumptions to make about this user, it was OK when your sweeping generalisations were incorrectly directed at some broadly defined player characteristics but now you're straying into personal insult territory.

Need I point out the irony in your 12000+ points of Eldar, the current top army.

 Xerics wrote:

 AegisGrimm wrote:
I always thought Apocolypse could work if 40K was 15mm, but in 28mm it just seems to fill a table to bursting and like said before, you are just removing all your lovingly painted minis by the bucketful when they've only been there a turn or two.

You know when there is a war going on people die... and the more people and guns there are on each side the more stuff that dies... I don't see why people don't seem to understand this? yes your models are nicely painted... now what are you going to do with them? hang them from your ceiling so you can admire them while you fall asleep? How about putting them on a board and having them blast pieces of the board and have them get blasted off the board as well. That sounds alot more fun. Just because you spent a long time painting them doesn't mean apocalypse games suck because they arent on the field for forever. I know how long it takes to paint armies. I hand paint all of my units (no airbrush) and 1 guardian takes me near 2 hours to paint and i'm not even a pro painter so i dont have all the shading and cool stuff that a pro puts on there. But i still like to set up my 15,000 worth of points and kill someone elses 15,000 worth of points. I have 2 (soon to be 3) titans that i would like to field now and then but because everyone has the 1250 - 1850 point game mentality engraved into their heads like its the gaking bible or something means i don't get to see it very often.

QFT. People are terrified of even THINKING that they might like apocalypse. Losing a unit or four a turn seriously isn't that big a deal when you have Thirty on the table. I personally don't know of anyone who can plop down 10k points in strictly D weapons. Maybe 1-2k with the other 8k being normal army, sure. And then when you figure that most D's are blasts, once you get in close, you're a high risk target to shoot.

I have a reaver titan, one knight paladin, one WIP thunderhawk, and about 10k of Blood Angels, and I would LOVE to be able to field all of it. Unfortunately, again, people are terrified of apocalypse. And it seems almost all of Dakka except for this fine gentleman are similarly scared.

niv-mizzet wrote:

 Xerics wrote:

 AegisGrimm wrote:
I always thought Apocolypse could work if 40K was 15mm, but in 28mm it just seems to fill a table to bursting and like said before, you are just removing all your lovingly painted minis by the bucketful when they've only been there a turn or two.

You know when there is a war going on people die... and the more people and guns there are on each side the more stuff that dies... I don't see why people don't seem to understand this? yes your models are nicely painted... now what are you going to do with them? hang them from your ceiling so you can admire them while you fall asleep? How about putting them on a board and having them blast pieces of the board and have them get blasted off the board as well. That sounds alot more fun. Just because you spent a long time painting them doesn't mean apocalypse games suck because they arent on the field for forever. I know how long it takes to paint armies. I hand paint all of my units (no airbrush) and 1 guardian takes me near 2 hours to paint and i'm not even a pro painter so i dont have all the shading and cool stuff that a pro puts on there. But i still like to set up my 15,000 worth of points and kill someone elses 15,000 worth of points. I have 2 (soon to be 3) titans that i would like to field now and then but because everyone has the 1250 - 1850 point game mentality engraved into their heads like its the gaking bible or something means i don't get to see it very often.

QFT. People are terrified of even THINKING that they might like apocalypse. Losing a unit or four a turn seriously isn't that big a deal when you have Thirty on the table. I personally don't know of anyone who can plop down 10k points in strictly D weapons. Maybe 1-2k with the other 8k being normal army, sure. And then when you figure that most D's are blasts, once you get in close, you're a high risk target to shoot.

I have a reaver titan, one knight paladin, one WIP thunderhawk, and about 10k of Blood Angels, and I would LOVE to be able to field all of it. Unfortunately, again, people are terrified of apocalypse. And it seems almost all of Dakka except for this fine gentleman are similarly scared.

hey hey hey.... add me to the list... id LOVE an apoc game, and i only have 1 str D blast unless i proxy and thats rude lol...


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 Xerics wrote:
and yet you also have Crons (top teir army) eldar (top teir army) GK (top teir army) looks like Dark angels (mid teir) and Space marines (mid teir). From your signature block one could very easily see you as a FOTM player that changes your faction to fit the current meta.

and has been a dakka member for over 2 years, and been collecting how long... presumptuous comments there mate.

 Xerics wrote:

 AegisGrimm wrote:
I always thought Apocolypse could work if 40K was 15mm, but in 28mm it just seems to fill a table to bursting and like said before, you are just removing all your lovingly painted minis by the bucketful when they've only been there a turn or two.

You know when there is a war going on people die... and the more people and guns there are on each side the more stuff that dies... I don't see why people don't seem to understand this? yes your models are nicely painted... now what are you going to do with them? hang them from your ceiling so you can admire them while you fall asleep? How about putting them on a board and having them blast pieces of the board and have them get blasted off the board as well. That sounds alot more fun. Just because you spent a long time painting them doesn't mean apocalypse games suck because they arent on the field for forever. I know how long it takes to paint armies. I hand paint all of my units (no airbrush) and 1 guardian takes me near 2 hours to paint and i'm not even a pro painter so i dont have all the shading and cool stuff that a pro puts on there. But i still like to set up my 15,000 worth of points and kill someone elses 15,000 worth of points. I have 2 (soon to be 3) titans that i would like to field now and then but because everyone has the 1250 - 1850 point game mentality engraved into their heads like its the gaking bible or something means i don't get to see it very often.

Personally, I want those nicely painted models, that I used so much time on, to actually mean something. What does a single Tactical Marine mean when you remove them by the bucketful every turn? Nothing - he was just there to die. But when you only have a handful of Marines on the table, then each and every one of them suddenly becomes extremely important and each loss is keenly felt.

As others have mentioned before, the irony of this is that there used to be a quite excellent game giving you just this spectacle. If you want to see an entire Chapter go to war, squadrons of super heavy tanks making a desperate last stand, Titans striding across the battlefield as some god of war... Then Epic is where it's at.

And, as an added bonus, you don't need an entire weekend and a huge table for such a game. You can have all of this within a few hours and a normal 6' x 4' table.

f2k wrote:

 Xerics wrote:

 AegisGrimm wrote:
I always thought Apocolypse could work if 40K was 15mm, but in 28mm it just seems to fill a table to bursting and like said before, you are just removing all your lovingly painted minis by the bucketful when they've only been there a turn or two.

You know when there is a war going on people die... and the more people and guns there are on each side the more stuff that dies... I don't see why people don't seem to understand this? yes your models are nicely painted... now what are you going to do with them? hang them from your ceiling so you can admire them while you fall asleep? How about putting them on a board and having them blast pieces of the board and have them get blasted off the board as well. That sounds alot more fun. Just because you spent a long time painting them doesn't mean apocalypse games suck because they arent on the field for forever. I know how long it takes to paint armies. I hand paint all of my units (no airbrush) and 1 guardian takes me near 2 hours to paint and i'm not even a pro painter so i dont have all the shading and cool stuff that a pro puts on there. But i still like to set up my 15,000 worth of points and kill someone elses 15,000 worth of points. I have 2 (soon to be 3) titans that i would like to field now and then but because everyone has the 1250 - 1850 point game mentality engraved into their heads like its the gaking bible or something means i don't get to see it very often.

Personally, I want those nicely painted models, that I used so much time on, to actually mean something. What does a single Tactical Marine mean when you remove them by the bucketful every turn? Nothing - he was just there to die. But when you only have a handful of Marines on the table, then each and every one of them suddenly becomes extremely important and each loss is keenly felt.

As others have mentioned before, the irony of this is that there used to be a quite excellent game giving you just this spectacle. If you want to see an entire Chapter go to war, squadrons of super heavy tanks making a desperate last stand, Titans striding across the battlefield as some god of war... Then Epic is where it's at.

And, as an added bonus, you don't need an entire weekend and a huge table for such a game. You can have all of this within a few hours and a normal 6' x 4' table.

and if you want to show me where i can buy a full epic army etc etc etc ill have a look into it.... oh and the rules and everything else id need. i was interested in epic when it first came out but never had the cash to get behind it.

One of the clubs I play at we mostly do 2-3k, we all have a lot of toys and we want to use them. But we don't use escalation and usually have single FOC.

 ausYenLoWang wrote:

f2k wrote:

 Xerics wrote:

 AegisGrimm wrote:
I always thought Apocolypse could work if 40K was 15mm, but in 28mm it just seems to fill a table to bursting and like said before, you are just removing all your lovingly painted minis by the bucketful when they've only been there a turn or two.

You know when there is a war going on people die... and the more people and guns there are on each side the more stuff that dies... I don't see why people don't seem to understand this? yes your models are nicely painted... now what are you going to do with them? hang them from your ceiling so you can admire them while you fall asleep? How about putting them on a board and having them blast pieces of the board and have them get blasted off the board as well. That sounds alot more fun. Just because you spent a long time painting them doesn't mean apocalypse games suck because they arent on the field for forever. I know how long it takes to paint armies. I hand paint all of my units (no airbrush) and 1 guardian takes me near 2 hours to paint and i'm not even a pro painter so i dont have all the shading and cool stuff that a pro puts on there. But i still like to set up my 15,000 worth of points and kill someone elses 15,000 worth of points. I have 2 (soon to be 3) titans that i would like to field now and then but because everyone has the 1250 - 1850 point game mentality engraved into their heads like its the gaking bible or something means i don't get to see it very often.

Personally, I want those nicely painted models, that I used so much time on, to actually mean something. What does a single Tactical Marine mean when you remove them by the bucketful every turn? Nothing - he was just there to die. But when you only have a handful of Marines on the table, then each and every one of them suddenly becomes extremely important and each loss is keenly felt.

As others have mentioned before, the irony of this is that there used to be a quite excellent game giving you just this spectacle. If you want to see an entire Chapter go to war, squadrons of super heavy tanks making a desperate last stand, Titans striding across the battlefield as some god of war... Then Epic is where it's at.

And, as an added bonus, you don't need an entire weekend and a huge table for such a game. You can have all of this within a few hours and a normal 6' x 4' table.

and if you want to show me where i can buy a full epic army etc etc etc ill have a look into it.... oh and the rules and everything else id need. i was interested in epic when it first came out but never had the cash to get behind it.

Sigh, you got me there...

You can get the rules - such as they are - for free from the fans who are maintaining them currently. Net Epic And Net Epic Armageddon are the best places I have seen so far and they are pretty active when it comes to new lists and such.

Models? Now there's a challenge and a half... They can be found on Ebay, of course, but they're getting pretty expensive these days. I know there's been talk (perhaps even a Kickstarter?) for generic sci-fi 6 mm. models that can be used, but I never got around to checking it out.


Sigh...

A real shame that Games Workshop killed Specialist Games. So many good games were allowed to die...

f2k wrote:

 ausYenLoWang wrote:

f2k wrote:

 Xerics wrote:

 AegisGrimm wrote:
I always thought Apocolypse could work if 40K was 15mm, but in 28mm it just seems to fill a table to bursting and like said before, you are just removing all your lovingly painted minis by the bucketful when they've only been there a turn or two.

You know when there is a war going on people die... and the more people and guns there are on each side the more stuff that dies... I don't see why people don't seem to understand this? yes your models are nicely painted... now what are you going to do with them? hang them from your ceiling so you can admire them while you fall asleep? How about putting them on a board and having them blast pieces of the board and have them get blasted off the board as well. That sounds alot more fun. Just because you spent a long time painting them doesn't mean apocalypse games suck because they arent on the field for forever. I know how long it takes to paint armies. I hand paint all of my units (no airbrush) and 1 guardian takes me near 2 hours to paint and i'm not even a pro painter so i dont have all the shading and cool stuff that a pro puts on there. But i still like to set up my 15,000 worth of points and kill someone elses 15,000 worth of points. I have 2 (soon to be 3) titans that i would like to field now and then but because everyone has the 1250 - 1850 point game mentality engraved into their heads like its the gaking bible or something means i don't get to see it very often.

Personally, I want those nicely painted models, that I used so much time on, to actually mean something. What does a single Tactical Marine mean when you remove them by the bucketful every turn? Nothing - he was just there to die. But when you only have a handful of Marines on the table, then each and every one of them suddenly becomes extremely important and each loss is keenly felt.

As others have mentioned before, the irony of this is that there used to be a quite excellent game giving you just this spectacle. If you want to see an entire Chapter go to war, squadrons of super heavy tanks making a desperate last stand, Titans striding across the battlefield as some god of war... Then Epic is where it's at.

And, as an added bonus, you don't need an entire weekend and a huge table for such a game. You can have all of this within a few hours and a normal 6' x 4' table.

and if you want to show me where i can buy a full epic army etc etc etc ill have a look into it.... oh and the rules and everything else id need. i was interested in epic when it first came out but never had the cash to get behind it.

Sigh, you got me there...

You can get the rules - such as they are - for free from the fans who are maintaining them currently. Net Epic And Net Epic Armageddon are the best places I have seen so far and they are pretty active when it comes to new lists and such.

Models? Now there's a challenge and a half... They can be found on Ebay, of course, but they're getting pretty expensive these days. I know there's been talk (perhaps even a Kickstarter?) for generic sci-fi 6 mm. models that can be used, but I never got around to checking it out.


Sigh...

A real shame that Games Workshop killed Specialist Games. So many good games were allowed to die...

the rules will be worth a read. and i wasnt taking a shot at you, but yeah those models are crazy money now, and youd need to buy 2 armies because well no one else i know has any of them :(

I downloaded all the epic rules before they were removed.

There are a ton of 6mm models out there which you could use to play epic, but obviously getting hold of GW ones would be more difficult.

I still hate GW for removing epic and also for removing aeronautica imperialis after I'd invested a decent amount of money in a couple of squadrons but hadn't completed them.

I mean, if you already had a huge 40k army, sure, I'd be happy to play some large games from time to time. But I find 28mm scale is just so ill suited to games of that size and the models are way too expensive and take way too long to paint for me to justify it.

MarsNZ wrote:
How do you know he didn't start crons when they dropped in 2e? That's an awful lot of assumptions to make about this user, it was OK when your sweeping generalisations were incorrectly directed at some broadly defined player characteristics but now you're straying into personal insult territory.

Need I point out the irony in your 12000+ points of Eldar, the current top army.

Yeah because apparently I have bought 12,000+ points of eldar since 6th dropped... I actually bought my first models in the summer of 2007 which was 4 howling banshees and a wraithlord.

and yet you also have Crons (top teir army) eldar (top teir army) GK (top teir army) looks like Dark angels (mid teir) and Space marines (mid teir). From your signature block one could very easily see you as a FOTM player that changes your faction to fit the current meta.

Well, lets see here if I can absolutely kill some assumptions:

-Necrons all the way back to the original WD 2nd edition entries, where they only had metal warriors and single-based scarabs.
-Kroot Mercenaries from the White Dwarf Chapter Approved codex article, before it even got rolled into the Chapter Approved book.
-Ultramarines from 2nd edition.
-Black SM icon is representing my Legion of the Damned army from the Chapter Approved "Cursed Founding" codex. Including Dreadnought, Landspeeder, and Terminators.
-BA icon is for my Blood Angels Terminators (1st Company) played as Deathwing. 3rd edition Deathwing.
-Eldar that date back to a small force when Falcons and Vypers were initially released. Currently fielded with one Wave Serpent and no intention of buying a Wraithknight. As much as possible is 2nd edition metal figures because I love the look.

-The grey Space marine is representing Space Wolves 13th Company, from the Eye of Terror campaign, that were given to me five years after the campaign ended.

I have not played one single game of 6th edition. Kinda hard to be a flavor of the month guy when some of my flavors are from more than a 10-15 years ago.

*Edit: Duh, forgot about my Sisters of Battle army dating back to from when they first came out in about 1997! Didn't even know they had an icon till just now.

Sigh, you got me there...

You can get the rules - such as they are - for free from the fans who are maintaining them currently. Net Epic And Net Epic Armageddon are the best places I have seen so far and they are pretty active when it comes to new lists and such.

Models? Now there's a challenge and a half... They can be found on Ebay, of course, but they're getting pretty expensive these days. I know there's been talk (perhaps even a Kickstarter?) for generic sci-fi 6 mm. models that can be used, but I never got around to checking it out.


Sigh...

A real shame that Games Workshop killed Specialist Games. So many good games were allowed to die..

It will be considered bastardized by some, but I am currently playing Epic where I gave up on chasing too-expensive models. I am actually playing with flat unit tokens. Imagine like the torpedo tokens for BFG.

I took all the sprites I could find that were originally designed for Vassal 40K, and organized, digitally altered and printed them out to be stuck to craft-foam tokens the same size as Epic bases. Everything has been resized to be exact Epic scale when it prints out. It was absolutely awesome fun to do- I now have every single option for all the main 40K races from the NetEpic Armageddon rulebook, available to be printed on demand. Everything from a Tau Manta (huge!!!) to a SM scout with a Sniper rifle.

Imagine this but ranked and based Epic-style as a five-man token.


Did the exact same thing for BFG from those sprites, too. I really need to get off my butt and host the files on a site for anyone who wants to take advantage.