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 cincydooley wrote:
She's full of it. If it was "such a nightmare" she wouldn't be going on the view and if she wanted to keep it a secret she certainly wouldn't have shared it with someone at a frat party.

Well she told the person in the belief that it was to be kept secret, so it seems the problem was trusting the wrong person. She went on The View after being outed, as it were, in direct response to the harassment she received when it was found out. Doing porn isn't an excuse for threatening people or harassing them.

I think its disgusting that people are defending the harassment and abuse she received over being a porn star. She fethed someone on camera for money so what. That doesn't mean she deserves to be called a slut, whore or whatever else and treated like gak because of it.

 daedalus wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I think he was talking about Belle Knox, not the poor girl that suicided.

Maybe. Based on some of the comments, I honestly can't tell anymore.

That's clearly who I was talking about.


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 carlos13th wrote:
I think its disgusting that people are defending the harassment and abuse she received over being a porn star. She fethed someone on camera for money so what. That doesn't mean she deserves to be called a slut, whore or whatever else and treated like gak because of it.

No, it doesn't. But you have to be pretty obtuse to think people wouldn't have some judgmental opinions on it. Again, she made all the choices on her own. Every one of them.

None of that means that when I get home I'm not going to find and watch her film.

As a memorial, of course.


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 Ahtman wrote:
. Doing porn isn't an excuse for threatening people or harassing them.

I agree with the threatening part. I think if you do something that is "against the norm" it's a reasonable expectation that people may criticize you.

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:
The thing that I dont understand, and probably never will, is how it's completely not OK that this girl from Minnesota does a porn film, and is harrassed to the point of suicide for it; But that girl from Duke does the same thing and she either doesn't get near the amount of harassment for it, or she gets more support from friends, etc.

Is it really that much different from NC to MN? Are the cultures in the two places still that far apart that the same career choices (if you want to call a single film a career) have such drastically different outcomes?

As someone from MN I will say that yes there is a HUGE culture difference.

 carlos13th wrote:
I think its disgusting that people are defending the harassment and abuse she received over being a porn star. She fethed someone on camera for money so what. That doesn't mean she deserves to be called a slut, whore or whatever else and treated like gak because of it.

Wait. she is one. She meets the complete legal definition. Truth is a defense. Sorry.

Please cite the legal definition of the phrase "slut" and/or "whore".

There is a legal definition for "slut" now?

I hope I misunderstood your comment Fraz.

 Ouze wrote:
Please cite the legal definition of the phrase "slut" and/or "whore".

Prostitute: someone who has sex for money.

If you don't like the crime, don't do the time.

Some incredibly poor taste and crass comments.

Probably the worst I've seen on Dakka, actually.

 MrDwhitey wrote:
Some incredibly poor taste and crass comments.

Probably the worst I've seen on Dakka, actually.

Just some of? We'll have to try harder.

Amazingly, I don't mean you for once Frazzled.

You know I hate you but I'm not gonna lie to feed my hate.

 Frazzled wrote:

 MrDwhitey wrote:
Some incredibly poor taste and crass comments.

Probably the worst I've seen on Dakka, actually.

Just some of? We'll have to try harder.

I'll be trying plenty hard in a few hours when I track down this casting couch video.

 Frazzled wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
Please cite the legal definition of the phrase "slut" and/or "whore".

Prostitute: someone who has sex for money.

If you don't like the crime, don't do the time.

California v Freeman says, legally speaking, adult film stars are not prostitutes. I think you've made a false equivocation.


In any event, tormenting someone who has made poor life choices really says more about the people who do the tormenting than the person on the receiving end.

But that's how we roll, I guess.

 cincydooley wrote:
None of that means that when I get home I'm not going to find and watch her film.

As a memorial, of course.

Because watching a porn movie that did not made the life of its actress so bad she committed suicide would not be as enjoyable to you?

 Frazzled wrote:
Wait. she is one. She meets the complete legal definition. Truth is a defense. Sorry.

There is a legal definition of slut and whore now?

 MrDwhitey wrote:
Some incredibly poor taste and crass comments.

Probably the worst I've seen on Dakka, actually.

This is nothing compared to drunk posting or the frequent torture fantasies. Or even the drunk torture fantasies.

 -Shrike- wrote:

 MrDwhitey wrote:
Some incredibly poor taste and crass comments.

Probably the worst I've seen on Dakka, actually.

This is nothing compared to drunk posting or the frequent torture fantasies. Or even the drunk torture fantasies.

The thing is, I generally fully expect those so I'm more... used to that.

 Ouze wrote:
California v Freeman says, legally speaking, adult film stars are not prostitutes. I think you've made a false equivocation.

Thats California. The legal nature of the porn industry is dubious at best. You don't want to argue that road.

Sorry my point stands, and nor was I arguing the legality of it.

 Frazzled wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
Please cite the legal definition of the phrase "slut" and/or "whore".

Prostitute: someone who has sex for money.

And that is neither the definition of slut nor the definition of whore, that is the definition of prostitute. Not likely a legal definition either, it lacks the usual verbiage.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

Because watching a porn movie that did not made the life of its actress so bad she committed suicide would not be as enjoyable to you?
?

I'm not sure I understand what you're staying so I'll clarify:

I'm going to jerk off to her video later provided I can find it.

As a memorial.

And so we're clear: I do not think she was necessarily a slut or whore. I think she simply wanted to have sex for money and have it videotaped.

 Frazzled wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
California v Freeman says, legally speaking, adult film stars are not prostitutes. I think you've made a false equivocation.

Thats California. The legal nature of the porn industry is dubious at best. You don't want to argue that road.

Sorry my point stands, and nor was I arguing the legality of it.

For the second time in this thread....

 cincydooley wrote:
I'm not sure I understand what you're staying so I'll clarify:

I'm going to jerk off to her video later provided I can find it.

As a memorial.

Well, that is a great idea! Why not also picketing her funeral with some “God hate fags” and “She will burn in hell” signs too while you are at it? You know, as a memorial.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
Please cite the legal definition of the phrase "slut" and/or "whore".

Prostitute: someone who has sex for money.

And that is neither the definition of slut nor the definition of whore, that is the definition of prostitute. Not likely a legal definition either, it lacks the usual verbiage.

For clarity I'm discussing only the whore reference.
Thats exactly what that is.

I am not arguing the legality of it.
I am not arguing the morality of it.
I'm arguing you can't get butthurt when someone calls someone else what their profession is. Its not like they were calling her a lawyer or something.

 cincydooley wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 MrDwhitey wrote:
Some incredibly poor taste and crass comments.

Probably the worst I've seen on Dakka, actually.

Just some of? We'll have to try harder.

I'll be trying plenty hard in a few hours when I track down this casting couch video.

For research purposes of course!

 cincydooley wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

Because watching a porn movie that did not made the life of its actress so bad she committed suicide would not be as enjoyable to you?
?

I'm not sure I understand what you're staying so I'll clarify:

I'm going to jerk off to her video later provided I can find it.

As a memorial.

And so we're clear: I do not think she was necessarily a slut or whore. I think she simply wanted to have sex for money and have it videotaped.

Countdown to thread lockage has begun.

 Easy E wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

Because watching a porn movie that did not made the life of its actress so bad she committed suicide would not be as enjoyable to you?
?

I'm not sure I understand what you're staying so I'll clarify:

I'm going to jerk off to her video later provided I can find it.

As a memorial.

And so we're clear: I do not think she was necessarily a slut or whore. I think she simply wanted to have sex for money and have it videotaped.

Countdown to thread lockage has begun.

Pfft, it began as soon as someone made a topic with porn in the title.

Tbf, though, porn isn't inherently bad. It gets bad when it's done by people not aware of possible consequences. Revenge porn etc.

Regular porn is a legit business, imo. "Professional" porn is on a steady decline, but amateur porn has seen insane rises in the past few years. If you have a look at how much you gotta pay for ads on popular porn sites...it's ridiculous. And really, if a woman wants to make money by having sex with other people and getting filmed doing it, why not, it's her decision. As long as it's within legal rights of course.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

Well, that is a great idea! Why not also picketing her funeral with some “God hate fags” and “She will burn in hell” signs too while you are at it? You know, as a memorial.

Why would I do that? I don't think she'll burn in hell for doing porn. Is a heterosexual porn so I have no reason to believe she was gay, nor so I believe god hates homosexuals.

I'll be really appreciative of her contributions to pornography for the 15-22 seconds it'll take me to finish my tribute. Err ...research.


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 Sigvatr wrote:
Tbf, though, porn isn't inherently bad. It gets bad when it's done by people not aware of possible consequences. Revenge porn etc.

Regular porn is a legit business, imo. "Professional" porn is on a steady decline, but amateur porn has seen insane rises in the past few years. If you have a look at how much you gotta pay for ads on popular porn sites...it's ridiculous. And really, if a woman wants to make money by having sex with other people and getting filmed doing it, why not, it's her decision. As long as it's within legal rights of course.

I agree with this sentiment and it's also a reason why I think prostitution should be legal. .

This thread has gone full victim blaming.
Never go full victim blaming.

 Frazzled wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
California v Freeman says, legally speaking, adult film stars are not prostitutes. I think you've made a false equivocation.

Thats California. The legal nature of the porn industry is dubious at best. You don't want to argue that road.

That established the precedent that has been upheld in other venues since then.

 Frazzled wrote:


Sorry my point stands, and nor was I arguing the legality of it.

If you weren't trying to argue the legality of it, why did you say it's OK to call her a slut and or whore because she fits the legal definition?

 Frazzled wrote:
Wait. she is one. She meets the complete legal definition. Truth is a defense. Sorry.

Your words, not mine.

 purplefood wrote:
This thread has gone full victim blaming.
Never go full victim blaming.

I don't think we're really blaming the victim as such here, apart from the obvious fact that she killed herself, therefore some of the blame lies on her.