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2014/12/19 18:26:33
Subject: Release of the movie "The Interview" derailed because of threats
Sigvatr wrote: So...NK commited an act of war against the US and there are no repercussions?
Is hacking a private corporation really an act of war?
I know the US likes to pretend that corporations are people, but this seems like a stretch.
If hacking Sony was an act of war against the US then the movie itself should qualify as an act of war against NK (or if the reviews are true against all mankind ).
Act of War?
No...
But it is a State Sponsored attack.
Is the government going to do anything about it?
I'm not optimistic...
Even *I* don't have a good idea how to respond... other than have a "Interview" showing in the White House open to the public.
President Obama criticized Sony for pulling The Interview at his end-of-year news conference Friday.
“I think they made a mistake,” Obama said.
The president said he was “sympathetic to the concerns” at Sony after a massive hack exposed embarrassing internal emails and other corporate secrets. On Friday, the FBI said North Korea was responsible for the hack.
Despite the cyberattack, Obama said canceling the release of the film was caving to North Korean demands.
“We cannot have a society in which some dictator someplace can start imposing censorship here in the United States,” he said.
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2014/12/19 20:51:10
Subject: Re:Release of the movie "The Interview" derailed because of threats
I would consider this an act of aggression, possibly war. Even if it is on a private japanese company. American citizens are affected. It is an attack on our way of life. I think 'Merica has gone to war over less.
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2014/12/20 00:53:32
Subject: Release of the movie "The Interview" derailed because of threats
SilverMK2 wrote: To be entirely fair, the rulers of NK are portrayed as gods in NK. Yet plenty of people have issues with films, books, people, concepts, which go against their religious beliefs; even to the point of violence.
They portray themselves as gods. But even if this was a real religion and not just a series of slavers getting their Big Brother on, it would still be wrong to capitulate. It is literally possible for someone to depict the gods of half a dozen religions in one big sacrilegious orgy and not be jailed for blasphemy, let alone be murdered by zealots, and that's a good thing. It is the exceptions - people who will murder a cartoonist for depicting Mohammed, or perform industrial sabotage and make terroristic threats against a foreign nation for producing art that offends them - that are the problem.
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2014/12/20 01:54:28
Subject: Re:Release of the movie "The Interview" derailed because of threats
Think you all need to look up all the "incidents" that happen between North and South Korea over time. The 1996 submarine incident in that happen almost had the balloon gone up with a real shooting match. The hacking is just chump change compare to quite a few of them
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2014/12/20 03:15:36
Subject: Re:Release of the movie "The Interview" derailed because of threats
They have the keys to 20% of the industry, and another 58% is in the hands of just four other companies which haven't proven themselves trustworthy, they just haven't been tested yet.
I don't see how this is a trust issue. Not releasing a movie is not the same as, say, revoking the license to a movie you purchased on iTunes. In the latter case you have made a financial investment, in the former you have done nothing beyond getting excited about a film's impending release. Hell, you have more right to complain about paying to see a bad film, than not being able to pay to see a film in the first place.
If they are willing to swallow multi-million dollar losses and sink finished movies to appease people who make terroristic threats, that's more authority than they'd give most of their own management.
I think you'll find that the management made both decisions, not the people making terrorist threats.
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2014/12/20 16:30:54
Subject: Release of the movie "The Interview" derailed because of threats
President Obama criticized Sony for pulling The Interview at his end-of-year news conference Friday.
“I think they made a mistake,” Obama said.
The president said he was “sympathetic to the concerns” at Sony after a massive hack exposed embarrassing internal emails and other corporate secrets. On Friday, the FBI said North Korea was responsible for the hack.
Despite the cyberattack, Obama said canceling the release of the film was caving to North Korean demands.
“We cannot have a society in which some dictator someplace can start imposing censorship here in the United States,” he said.
So says the president that blamed a youtube video for an embassy attack and persecuted the film maker.
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2014/12/20 18:53:32
Subject: Release of the movie "The Interview" derailed because of threats
d-usa wrote: Obama threatened terrorist attacks if the video wasn't removed from YouTube?
You appear to have already forgotten this administration blaming the embassy attacks in Libya on a youtube movie
Which is not censorship.
and jailing the film maker.
For refusing to take his video down?
Or for violating his probation from 2010 and using multiple aliases which he admited and plead guilty to?
Minus 10 points for ObamaIsEvildor for trying to pretent that "I will hack your studio, do hundreds of millions of damages to the studio, and threaten violent acts to any theater that shows this movie" is the same as "this movie is offensive" and throwing an idiot in jail that was stupid enough to be this public about his multiple parole violation.
2014/12/21 03:18:48
Subject: Release of the movie "The Interview" derailed because of threats
d-usa wrote: Obama threatened terrorist attacks if the video wasn't removed from YouTube?
You appear to have already forgotten this administration blaming the embassy attacks in Libya on a youtube movie
Which is not censorship.
and jailing the film maker.
For refusing to take his video down?
Or for violating his probation from 2010 and using multiple aliases which he admited and plead guilty to?
Minus 10 points for ObamaIsEvildor for trying to pretent that "I will hack your studio, do hundreds of millions of damages to the studio, and threaten violent acts to any theater that shows this movie" is the same as "this movie is offensive" and throwing an idiot in jail that was stupid enough to be this public about his multiple parole violation.
Glad you don't think this administration intimidating a film maker, putting him at risk by making up a bull gak story, then jailing him is not censorship.
2014/12/21 03:42:46
Subject: Release of the movie "The Interview" derailed because of threats
d-usa wrote: Obama threatened terrorist attacks if the video wasn't removed from YouTube?
You appear to have already forgotten this administration blaming the embassy attacks in Libya on a youtube movie
Which is not censorship.
and jailing the film maker.
For refusing to take his video down?
Or for violating his probation from 2010 and using multiple aliases which he admited and plead guilty to?
Minus 10 points for ObamaIsEvildor for trying to pretent that "I will hack your studio, do hundreds of millions of damages to the studio, and threaten violent acts to any theater that shows this movie" is the same as "this movie is offensive" and throwing an idiot in jail that was stupid enough to be this public about his multiple parole violation.
Glad you don't think this administration intimidating a film maker, putting him at risk by making up a bull gak story, then jailing him is not censorship.
There is the truth (idiot who was ordered not to use any aliases and the internet using three of them promoting a stupid movie on the internet for all to see and going to prison for it) and then there is the weird reality where the actions of a man who plead quilty to breaking these rules is somehow the result of Obama censoring him.
Which did nothing to actually "censor" the video by the way.
2014/12/21 03:48:08
Subject: Release of the movie "The Interview" derailed because of threats
d-usa wrote: Obama threatened terrorist attacks if the video wasn't removed from YouTube?
You appear to have already forgotten this administration blaming the embassy attacks in Libya on a youtube movie
Which is not censorship.
and jailing the film maker.
For refusing to take his video down?
Or for violating his probation from 2010 and using multiple aliases which he admited and plead guilty to?
Minus 10 points for ObamaIsEvildor for trying to pretent that "I will hack your studio, do hundreds of millions of damages to the studio, and threaten violent acts to any theater that shows this movie" is the same as "this movie is offensive" and throwing an idiot in jail that was stupid enough to be this public about his multiple parole violation.
Glad you don't think this administration intimidating a film maker, putting him at risk by making up a bull gak story, then jailing him is not censorship.
There is the truth (idiot who was ordered not to use any aliases and the internet using three of them promoting a stupid movie on the internet for all to see and going to prison for it) and then there is the weird reality where the actions of a man who plead quilty to breaking these rules is somehow the result of Obama censoring him.
Which did nothing to actually "censor" the video by the way.
Intimidation is a very strong form of censorship.
2014/12/21 03:53:16
Subject: Release of the movie "The Interview" derailed because of threats
d-usa wrote: So is your position then that a person that is platanly and publicly violating his probation should not face criminal consequences?
Because these are our two options:
1) Let him break the law.
2) Obama is censoring him.
Let's talk Al Sharpton and his free access to Obama after being outed as a tax dodger if you are concerned about the president not letting people break the law.
2014/12/21 04:07:12
Subject: Release of the movie "The Interview" derailed because of threats
d-usa wrote: So is your position then that a person that is platanly and publicly violating his probation should not face criminal consequences?
Because these are our two options:
1) Let him break the law.
2) Obama is censoring him.
Let's talk Al Sharpton and his free access to Obama after being outed as a tax dodger if you are concerned about the president not letting people break the law.
Let's answer the question:
Do you think that he should not have been prosecuted for his very public parole violation?
2014/12/21 04:18:33
Subject: Release of the movie "The Interview" derailed because of threats
He was stupid and deserved that, I will grant you. But based off all the other people we see doing illegal things Obama gives a free pass to, it smacks of a politically motivated persecution.
2014/12/21 04:19:30
Subject: Release of the movie "The Interview" derailed because of threats
d-usa wrote: So is your position then that a person that is platanly and publicly violating his probation should not face criminal consequences?
Because these are our two options:
1) Let him break the law.
2) Obama is censoring him.
Let's talk Al Sharpton and his free access to Obama after being outed as a tax dodger if you are concerned about the president not letting people break the law.
Let's answer the question:
Do you think that he should not have been prosecuted for his very public parole violation?
I do.
However, he should've NOT been scapegoated in the first place.
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2014/12/21 04:35:38
Subject: Release of the movie "The Interview" derailed because of threats
d-usa wrote: "When the Internet sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending posters that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing strawmen. They're bringing spam. They're trolls. And some, I assume, are good people."
2014/12/21 04:42:54
Subject: Release of the movie "The Interview" derailed because of threats
I'm a little loopy from a lack of sleep so I couldn't resist!
d-usa wrote: "When the Internet sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending posters that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing strawmen. They're bringing spam. They're trolls. And some, I assume, are good people."
2014/12/21 06:10:54
Subject: Release of the movie "The Interview" derailed because of threats
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