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Sure, N Korea has nuclear warheads. Can they actually make the distance? I doubt it.

They should hire Dennis Rodman to assassinate Kim Jong Un instead lol

 jhe90 wrote:

so a phycopathic leader with nukes,

If he uses any, he gets nuked to the stone age.

 jhe90 wrote:
1 million man army

... equipped with outdated equipment and would be bombed to feth.

 jhe90 wrote:
thousands of guns zeroed and calculated to fire on SK. the capital is range of the heavier units.

I'll give you that one, SK is in for pain if the region got hot again.

 jhe90 wrote:
missiles which can reach pearl harbour and parts of Alaska.

Barely, and assuming the US uses zero countermeasures, which wouldn't happen.

 jhe90 wrote:
who gets all in a twist over one film, there was not this much trouble over Team America,

Jong Il loved Hollywood. Jong Un loves cake. If this movie was presented in cake format he'd be all over it like a fat kid on, erm, cake...

Now the celebrities are weighing in. Expect a hashtag offensive next:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/18/showbiz/sony-hack-celebs-reaction/index.html?hpt=hp_t1


Something good about this is that this gives a clear heads up about how vulnerable we really are.

 Ouze wrote:
I dunno. I want to see the movie, and I hate letting North Korea essentially have a veto over US moviemaking.

On the other hand, if I were Sony and released the movie despite clear public threats, and something did happen, I'd be pretty concerned about the liability, especially on a movie that was unlikely to have a huge box office return anyway. Making brave choices doesn't equate here to making profitable choices.

I don't really blame Sony... they're a business.

So, we the feth is our government? Hello... John Kerry! Hello President Obama!

Stand up for American values!

 whembly wrote:
Hello President Obama!

Stand up for American values!

He's done with international matters, he only pays attention to local law enforcement issues now, apparently.

 whembly wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
I dunno. I want to see the movie, and I hate letting North Korea essentially have a veto over US moviemaking.

On the other hand, if I were Sony and released the movie despite clear public threats, and something did happen, I'd be pretty concerned about the liability, especially on a movie that was unlikely to have a huge box office return anyway. Making brave choices doesn't equate here to making profitable choices.

I don't really blame Sony... they're a business.

So, we the feth is our government? Hello... John Kerry! Hello President Obama!

Stand up for American values!

What's Obama going to do, realistically? Nuke NK for threatening the release of a mediocre movie? Post Marines at 1,500 theaters across the country? Counter-hack NK? What could they have that we would want to hack? Tell NK that they are being jerks? Tell China that NK are being jerks?

squidhills wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
I dunno. I want to see the movie, and I hate letting North Korea essentially have a veto over US moviemaking.

On the other hand, if I were Sony and released the movie despite clear public threats, and something did happen, I'd be pretty concerned about the liability, especially on a movie that was unlikely to have a huge box office return anyway. Making brave choices doesn't equate here to making profitable choices.

I don't really blame Sony... they're a business.

So, we the feth is our government? Hello... John Kerry! Hello President Obama!

Stand up for American values!

What's Obama going to do, realistically? Nuke NK for threatening the release of a mediocre movie? Post Marines at 1,500 theaters across the country? Counter-hack NK? What could they have that we would want to hack? Tell NK that they are being jerks? Tell China that NK are being jerks?

How about reaffirm our country's 1st Amendment rights?

Oh... wait... you forget that this is the same administration who blamed the events in Benghazi on that youtube director and went out of their way to tell the world that "we shouldn't slander Islam".

How about they go out of their way to defend America for a change?

 whembly wrote:

How about reaffirm our country's 1st Amendment rights?

Oh... wait... you forget that this is the same administration who blamed the events in Benghazi on that youtube director and went out of their way to tell the world that "we shouldn't slander Islam".

How about they go out of their way to defend America for a change?

I ask again: What should he do, realistically?

squidhills wrote:

 whembly wrote:

How about reaffirm our country's 1st Amendment rights?

Oh... wait... you forget that this is the same administration who blamed the events in Benghazi on that youtube director and went out of their way to tell the world that "we shouldn't slander Islam".

How about they go out of their way to defend America for a change?

I ask again: What should he do, realistically?

Have a speech at the WH denouncing this cyberattack and reaffirm that Americans are free to do these things.

Or better yet, invite a showing of The Interview at the WhiteHouse!

 whembly wrote:

Have a speech at the WH denouncing this cyberattack and reaffirm that Americans are free to do these things.

Or better yet, invite a showing of The Interview at the WhiteHouse!

Oh, well if all you're asking for is symbolic gestures, then yeah.... he probably should do something like that.

squidhills wrote:

 whembly wrote:

Have a speech at the WH denouncing this cyberattack and reaffirm that Americans are free to do these things.

Or better yet, invite a showing of The Interview at the WhiteHouse!

Oh, well if all you're asking for is symbolic gestures, then yeah.... he probably should do something like that.

*sigh*

It's about being a fething leader.

President Obama needs to call this cyber-attack on Sony studios what it is: A state-sponsored terrorist attack by North Korea upon the United States.

President Obama needs to reaffirm to Sony's Executive and America that we won't be intimidated and to demonstrate some fething spine.

Because Sony’s decision not to release The Interview are both valid and understandable... sure... but they are also unfortunately very cowardly actions.

So when Obama (and rest of the political class) see American livelihoods threatened as the result of an act of war conducted by a foreign power, we must present a strong face against such incursion. For instance, the US will no longer abide diplomatic courtisies (sp?), no more nuke negotiation and renew pressures to enact new sanctions.

I think we're getting bitch slapped here... and the bitch slapping won't cease until we get some spine back into the White House.

I agree that there needs to be a state-level response to state-sponsored cyber attacks into what is a (partially, at least) US based company. The idea that South Korea, which is a US ally, might suffer for any off-the-cuff, immediate action is a strong consideration - in that a response needs to be well-considered, but respond we must. Letting this go unanswered will strongly embolden our enemies.


Also, congratulations on once again working Benghazi into an unrelated thread.

There is actually a very real concern that this might not have been North Korea.

There was a bit of a time-delay between the initial attacks and the subsequent claims by those responsible that "The Interview" was the reason why, which could indicate that those responsible were reaching for a justification.

 Ouze wrote:
I agree that there needs to be a state-level response to state-sponsored cyber attacks into what is a (partially, at least) US based company. The idea that South Korea, which is a US ally, might suffer for any off-the-cuff, immediate action is a strong consideration - in that a response needs to be well-considered, but respond we must. Letting this go unanswered will strongly embolden our enemies.

Absolutely. Shoot... I'd be happy for just a throwaway line at the WH Press briefing.

Also, congratulations on once again working Benghazi into an unrelated thread.

That get's a dakka bingo square for the dakkanaughts.

Well, this Administration has historically been fairly deliberate in making decisions, so I'm personally not concerned by the fact we haven't seen/heard anything publicly yet.

I think we may hear something today.

 Kanluwen wrote:
There is actually a very real concern that this might not have been North Korea.

There was a bit of a time-delay between the initial attacks and the subsequent claims by those responsible that "The Interview" was the reason why, which could indicate that those responsible were reaching for a justification.

I saw those concerns as well... because, my first reaction was:
"North Korea has the sophistication to pull this off"???

I still have my doubts... we'll see eh?

 whembly wrote:
I saw those concerns as well... because, my first reaction was:
"North Korea has the sophistication to pull this off"???

Well, Sony hasn't historically been a bastion of good security, either. Not blaming the victim here so much as pointing out it's not like it was the NSA that got hacked here.

 Ouze wrote:

 whembly wrote:
I saw those concerns as well... because, my first reaction was:
"North Korea has the sophistication to pull this off"???

Well, Sony hasn't historically been a bastion of good security, either. Not blaming the victim here so much as pointing out it's not like it was the NSA that got hacked here.

Well... isn't that interesting. O.o

I'm glad I don't associate my creditcard info on my PSN account!

Do you have more info on that Guardians of Peace group? My google-fu searches just pulls up regurgitated stuff...

Are the guys who made Team: America going into the witness protection program now?

 Easy E wrote:
Are the guys who made Team: America going into the witness protection program now?

I don't think Matt and Trey really give a crap about offending people and any consequences of doing so

 Alex C wrote:

 Easy E wrote:
Are the guys who made Team: America going into the witness protection program now?

I don't think Matt and Trey really give a crap about offending people and any consequences of doing so

The Alamo Draft House in Texa is showing that film in "protest".
http://www.slashfilm.com/alamo-drafthouse-team-america-the-interview/

Sometimes, you need a Texan to say something...

Unless Sony plan on doing something else to recoup their costs why not............

'Leak' the movie onto pirate and torrent sites?

Play these guardians of idiocy at their own game somewhat.

It is to bad that this corporation was cowed into not releasing this movie. I think it will be leaked torrent, or just youtube.

It should happen!

It'll be played in cinemas here

 Mr. Burning wrote:
Unless Sony plan on doing something else to recoup their costs why not............

'Leak' the movie onto pirate and torrent sites?

Play these guardians of idiocy at their own game somewhat.

Personally, I think Sony should issue every man, woman, and child in America a DVD copy of the movie, free of charge. If for no other reason than it will honk off the North Koreans.

And, from what I've seen on the BBC, NK has been building up a dedicated hacker force for several years. NK hackers have a higher quality of life than average NK citizens, and are given priviledges (access to Western media) other citizens don't get. I can absolutely see NK pulling off a hack of Sony (who has had issues with getting hacked in the past) without needing China's help. Besides, "Guardians of Peace" is so obviously a North Korean name... even a Chinese hacker group that was deliberately pretending to be North Korean would come up with a better name than that.

There is talk right now that they are going to release it as a "Premium Video on Demand", so you can buy it via PPV or the like.

I've been reading snippets that the decision to forego streaming and DVD sales is the work of lawyers... apparently, in order to collect on insurance, Sony needs a total loss.

Which is odd because I would think an insurance company would want them to mitigate their losses...

 whembly wrote:
I've been reading snippets that the decision to forego streaming and DVD sales is the work of lawyers... apparently, in order to collect on insurance, Sony needs a total loss.

Which is odd because I would think an insurance company would want them to mitigate their losses...

Maybe films have a unique set of criteria for insurance. That way they don't pay out if someone just made a mediocre movie that flopped but still made a little money.

 whembly wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
I dunno. I want to see the movie, and I hate letting North Korea essentially have a veto over US moviemaking.

On the other hand, if I were Sony and released the movie despite clear public threats, and something did happen, I'd be pretty concerned about the liability, especially on a movie that was unlikely to have a huge box office return anyway. Making brave choices doesn't equate here to making profitable choices.

I don't really blame Sony... they're a business.

So, we the feth is our government? Hello... John Kerry! Hello President Obama!

Stand up for American values!

Yeah! Everyone knows the Government needs to get involved in a business decision!

 Easy E wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
I dunno. I want to see the movie, and I hate letting North Korea essentially have a veto over US moviemaking.

On the other hand, if I were Sony and released the movie despite clear public threats, and something did happen, I'd be pretty concerned about the liability, especially on a movie that was unlikely to have a huge box office return anyway. Making brave choices doesn't equate here to making profitable choices.

I don't really blame Sony... they're a business.

So, we the feth is our government? Hello... John Kerry! Hello President Obama!

Stand up for American values!

Yeah! Everyone knows the Government needs to get involved in a business decision!

Re-read what I wrote... that's not what I said.