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Not a surprising outcome at all. Frankies list really did not have enough anti-vehicle to take on your army. Ravengers just don't pack the punch like they used to. 7th cut their chance of explosion by half, and the new codex made them more expensive and less mobile. It's unfortunate becuase I love the model, but for dedicated anti-tank its probably better to look elsewhere. He could have put heat lances on the talos for penies, and it would have really increased his odds.

Hopefully the new Harlequins will put some oomph back into the dark kin .

@Jy2

Goofball list?!?! That list was brilliant, lol!

But yeah, most of my lists are weird, I like it that way.

@coblen

Frankie actually just swept an RTT with that list, went 3-0 and won best general. I think what killed him at TSHFT was the lack of terrain as much as anything else.

 Reecius wrote:
@Jy2

Goofball list?!?! That list was brilliant, lol!

But yeah, most of my lists are weird, I like it that way.

@coblen

Frankie actually just swept an RTT with that list, went 3-0 and won best general. I think what killed him at TSHFT was the lack of terrain as much as anything else.

Terrain did seem sparse in that one. Not a lot for his guys to hide behind.

Frankie is the world's greatest player - everybody has an off day.

So are you going to bring the Newcrons to the LVO J?

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
So are you going to bring the Newcrons to the LVO J?

C'mon man, give him some time. The codex just dropped.

OK jy. you've had some time to think about it. You bringing Newercrons?

 Happyjew wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
So are you going to bring the Newcrons to the LVO J?

C'mon man, give him some time. The codex just dropped.

OK jy. you've had some time to think about it. You bringing Newercrons?

He will probably need more time to get those tomb blades, heavy destroyers and flayed ones bought and painted

Guys, I am going to temporarily interrupt this tournament thread with a special battle report.

Yes, the new Necrons and its coming out tonight!

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
So are you going to bring the Newcrons to the LVO J?

Maybe. I will put out a poll before the tournament to see what people would like to see me bring.

 Red Corsair wrote:

 Happyjew wrote:

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
So are you going to bring the Newcrons to the LVO J?

C'mon man, give him some time. The codex just dropped.

OK jy. you've had some time to think about it. You bringing Newercrons?

He will probably need more time to get those tomb blades, heavy destroyers and flayed ones bought and painted

I've actually got 7 converted tomblades and several destroyers/heavy destroyers. I've even got 8 flayed ones!

Though none are painted to a great standard or to my army colors.

A Newcrons report will be awesome!

As a daemons player, Flayed Ones make me want to weep. Here's hoping Daemons can retain some of their respectability it assault. Not holding my breath though. Even BA put a serious dent in our assault dominance.


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Maybe hounds will be T5 and similarly costed on their next go around??

(not likely)

I think J stated he has enough Wraiths for victory now

 Waaagh 18 wrote:
A Newcrons report will be awesome!

Thanks. I've already started on it:


1850 Jy2's Wraithwing NEWcrons vs Space Marines with Tyrannic War Vets

 astro_nomicon wrote:
As a daemons player, Flayed Ones make me want to weep. Here's hoping Daemons can retain some of their respectability it assault. Not holding my breath though. Even BA put a serious dent in our assault dominance.


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Maybe hounds will be T5 and similarly costed on their next go around??

(not likely)

Honestly, I still don't see flayed ones being a very common Necron unit. While they have gotten better offensively, they still have the same existing weaknesses that they had before. You will see an increase in their usage. However, I don't believe you will most lists running them.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
I think J stated he has enough Wraiths for victory now

The army is more than just the wraiths. The problem that I am encountering is to make a balanced enough Necron army to complement the wraiths. That is the main challenge for me currently.

Ally in a tau fireblade.

 Red Corsair wrote:
Ally in a tau fireblade.

QFT. Top kek.


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 jy2 wrote:

 Waaagh 18 wrote:
A Newcrons report will be awesome!

Thanks. I've already started on it:


1850 Jy2's Wraithwing NEWcrons vs Space Marines with Tyrannic War Vets

 astro_nomicon wrote:
As a daemons player, Flayed Ones make me want to weep. Here's hoping Daemons can retain some of their respectability it assault. Not holding my breath though. Even BA put a serious dent in our assault dominance.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Maybe hounds will be T5 and similarly costed on their next go around??

(not likely)

Honestly, I still don't see flayed ones being a very common Necron unit. While they have gotten better offensively, they still have the same existing weaknesses that they had before. You will see an increase in their usage. However, I don't believe you will most lists running them.

 WrentheFaceless wrote:
I think J stated he has enough Wraiths for victory now

The army is more than just the wraiths. The problem that I am encountering is to make a balanced enough Necron army to complement the wraiths. That is the main challenge for me currently.

As you are a guru of board control, I can't see why you are not a fan of FO's.

 Red Corsair wrote:
Ally in a tau fireblade.

That's always an option, though a rather expensive one at 600+ pts.

Or, for 765-pts, I can bring in triple-flyrants.

 astro_nomicon wrote:

As you are a guru of board control, I can't see why you are not a fan of FO's.

Mainly because of their speed, or rather, lack of. While infiltrate helps, they are otherwise slow as gak. The BC units I usually advocate are very fast units. At the very minimum, I want Fleet in my units (if not a 12" standard movement).

Also, in competitive play, there are some units that they just won't do very well against. They cannot hurt wraithknights, which are very common in the competitive meta, nor can they do anything to Imperial Knights (or any non-AV10 walkers).

Moreover, another competitive unit - the Tau Fireblade Cadre - will just tear them to shreds, and that's not including all the other shooting in the Tau army.

FO's are a good unit, but they are not an all-star unit that belongs in every Necron list (like wraiths).

Though I admit that I am slightly intrigued about the possibility of running 60 FO's backed up by 18 wraiths and 2 Destroyer Lords. That is a really unbalanced army that also looks fun as heck to play.

 djones520 wrote:
Yeah, with him doing so little damage in the first two turns, there was no other way that was going.

DE player literally spends four turns killing the same unit over and over again...one unit tanking an entire army for pretty much the entire game. I wonder how the game was going to turn out?

Game #4 vs Todd's Orks




1850 Mephrit Dynasty Necrons + Necron Allies



Mephrit Dynasty Detachment:

Bargelord - 2+/3++, MSS, ResOrb, Warscythe, Command Barge, Solar Thermasite
Bargelord - 2+/3++, MSS, ResOrb, Warscythe, Command Barge
1x Haywire Cryptek

5x Warriors - Night Scythe
5x Warriors - Night Scythe
5x Warriors

Annihilation Barge
Annihilation Barge
Annihilation Barge

Necron Allies:

Bargelord - 2+/3++, MSS, ResOrb, Warscythe, Command Barge
1x Haywire Cryptek

5x Warriors - Night Scythe

Annihilation Barge


1850 Orks




Aesthetically, I really liked Todd's orks. Lots of cool conversions and I've always liked an army full of meganobs. At the same time tough, I kind of dreaded playing against such an army as well. Lol.


Warboss - Mega-armor, Lucky Stikk (Warlord)
Mad Dok Grotsnik

3x Mega-nobz - Kombi-Skorcha, Bosspole
Trukk - Ram
3x Mega-nobz - Kombi-Skorcha
Trukk - Ram
3x Mega-nobz - Kombi-Skorcha
Trukk - Ram
5x Mega-nobz - Kombi-Skorcha
Trukk - Ram
5x Mega-nobz - Kombi-Skorcha
Battlewagon - Rokkit, Ram
5x Mega-nobz - Kombi-Skorcha
Battlewagon - Rokkit, Ram

10x Grots - Runtherd
10x Grots - Runtherd

Looted Wagon - 3x Rokkits, Ram
Looted Wagon - 3x Rokkits, Ram


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Missions:


Primary Objectives: Scouring, 4-pts


Secondary Objectives: Modified Maelstrom, 3-pts

1. Hold Either Objective 1.
2. Hold Either Objective 2.
3. Hold Either Objective 3.
4. Destroy an enemy unit.
5. Destroy an enemy unit.
6. Destroy an enemy unit.


Tertiary Objectives: First Blood, Linebreaker, Slay the Warlord, 1-pt each


Deployment: Hammer & Anvil


1st Turn: Orks


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PRE-GAME THOUGHTS:

Wow, this has the potential to be a really bad matchup for me because 1) Todd got Master of Ambush for his Warlord Trait and 2) he is going 1st. What is so scary about nobs is that they can easily wreck my bargelords or any of my barges for that matter. MSS may stop 1 ork from attacking. My Overlord might even kill another ork in combat (would most likely be the one that got mindshackled anyways), but the rest of his meganobz should be able to do bad things to my lords in combat. Now if I went 1st, I might be able to take out some of the transports and force him to footslog several of his units. That would have definitely given me a breather. However, he is going 1st and with infiltrating meganobs, I won't be able to avoid a Turn 2 assault by them. I was actually somewhat concerned going into this matchup.

Fortunately for me, I do have 1 secret weapon - my Warlord with the Solar Thermasite. He is S8 with both his normal attacks and his Sweep Attacks, meaning that he will be insta-killing a lot of meganobs. I am going to have to really lean on my Warlord this game and I am hoping that he will shine.


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DEPLOYMENT:

Oh my... those gretchin. That army is such a blast from the past!