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Am I being daft when I can't see the value of Poe's skill? Wouldn't it imply some sort of choice new "upgrade" that gives another way to spend focus for some good effect? Otherwise it is a mediocre way to "mini-focus" during your attack, and still retain your focus to be spent during defense (or vice-versa).

Not exactly the WOW skill I would expect on this generation's Wedge Antilles.

It looks to me like you get a reusable focus.
When attacking or defending if you have a focus you get to change an eyeball to a hit or evade.
Seems to me it will work with your attack rolls and all defending rolls you need to make that turn and if you need it you can still spend the token to change other eyeballs to evades or hits it you want..

It's like Luke's pilot ability except it works on offense but you also need a focus token for it to work.

Poe's ability looks like a good one, but I don't know if I'd pay 31 points for it. The extra shield and the boost ability do help the X-Wing, and they aren't obsoleting the old X-Wing because of costs. (The B-Wing did that).

How many times have you rolled dice and come up with a set of hits/blanks and that 1 Focus...then having to decide if its worth adding the extra hit or save the token for defense?
Now you get to do both.
Or your shooting a Decimator with 1 hull left and roll only blanks and Foci. Now you can kill the Deci while saving the Focus for the return fire from the companions.
Plenty of situations where this ability can be a game-changer.

So incoming 3 pt X-wing title that gives boost, +1 shield and whatever that extra equipment is, right?

 Anpu-adom wrote:
Poe's ability looks like a good one, but I don't know if I'd pay 31 points for it. The extra shield and the boost ability do help the X-Wing, and they aren't obsoleting the old X-Wing because of costs. (The B-Wing did that).

You're paying 31 points for what is essentially a beefed up version of Luke's ability, but in a better ship.

Yes, you need a focus token (which you will almost always have), but it's a fair trade, considering Poe's ship has eight points of upgrades baked into it (four for Engine Upgrade and four for Shield Upgrade, and you can't take both on Luke). Not to mention the fact that the dial is probably better on the T-70.

Pair him with that Astromech which allows you to regenerate a shield by discarding an unused focus token, and he's a beast.

Is there an astomech who does that???

Yep, R5-P9 from the Transporter.

R5-P9
At the end of the Combat phase, you may spend 1 of your focus tokens to recover 1 shield (up to your shield value).

3 points.

Ohhh that would be a good combo then.

Thanks I do not play Reb's so I do not know all their stuff.

R5-P9 is a cheaper, slightly less useful version of R2-D2. People like to put him on Corran a lot, mainly just to save that extra point.

Poe's ability is one of the best in the game.

As long as you HAVE a Focus token, you get most of the benefit! One Eyeball becomes a hit or evade. That's huge. Especially on the defense side.

Imagine his 2 AGI, 6 hitpoint ship being focused by a TIE swarm. Most of the time, you're only going to get one eyeball. In which case, Poe's ability is as good as multiple focus or evade tokens! Only when TWO eyes are rolled can you then decide to use it to get two evades, or keep it for one evade.

Combine this with R5-P9, then you can simply just save the focus and regen one of his three shields at end of turn.

Add all of that on a high-maneuverability (it's dial is better than X-Wing's, PLUS it has boost) at a high PS, and you've got a real monster pilot. Luke has nothing on this. The only way around it is to stress him or prevent him from getting actions.

I see the value in what everyone has been saying, but perhaps what I mean to say is that I don't know if it, even with the baked in buffs to the "new" X-wing and his skill, if the X-wing suddenly feels reborn.

I mean, I don't know what I expected to buff the poor maligned X-wing, but I feel like 31pts, naked, is a BIG investment of the ship I am imagining on the table.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
I see the value in what everyone has been saying, but perhaps what I mean to say is that I don't know if it, even with the baked in buffs to the "new" X-wing and his skill, if the X-wing suddenly feels reborn.

I mean, I don't know what I expected to buff the poor maligned X-wing, but I feel like 31pts, naked, is a BIG investment of the ship I am imagining on the table.

You get a reusable focus token. That alone is powerful, but being able to use it offensively and defensively is even better.

Poe can take an EPT, meaning he can run with Lone Wolf or Predator (I'd prefer Lone Wolf). He also has a native Boost action, meaning he can take Autothrusters and give him yet another way to avoid damage. Give him R5-P9 and he can use that focus token to regenerate a shield. Those three upgrades bring his cost up to 38 points. We haven't seen the dial yet, but it's probably pretty good (or at least better than the T-65 X-wing).

I think that's a pretty damn reasonable price for what he can do.

So is this new set more or less the same as the current one or is it more convoluted?

I love the new ship designs and colors but I prefer to start out simple. I still don't have anything for the X wing game but the Star Wars hype has renewed my interest.

 Thargrim wrote:
So is this new set more or less the same as the current one or is it more convoluted?

I love the new ship designs and colors but I prefer to start out simple. I still don't have anything for the X wing game but the Star Wars hype has renewed my interest.

I think it's a safe bet that the very easy to pick up basics of the game won't be altered much if at all by this set.


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NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
I see the value in what everyone has been saying, but perhaps what I mean to say is that I don't know if it, even with the baked in buffs to the "new" X-wing and his skill, if the X-wing suddenly feels reborn.

I mean, I don't know what I expected to buff the poor maligned X-wing, but I feel like 31pts, naked, is a BIG investment of the ship I am imagining on the table.

We still haven't seen what is on the maneuver dial other than learning that 3s are now green, so I think holding off any judgement on whether 31 points (or the point costs of the others) is worth the hype.

 Thargrim wrote:
So is this new set more or less the same as the current one or is it more convoluted?

I love the new ship designs and colors but I prefer to start out simple. I still don't have anything for the X wing game but the Star Wars hype has renewed my interest.

Things we know

New models of ships,
New type of upgrade
New pilots
Same components (dice, templates)

Things it is reasonable to assume
FAQs and Errata written into the rules.

Things I've heard speculated
A rejigged damage deck.

NEW INFO!

There is a new damage deck and also a new maneuver, the Tallon Roll, which is a K-turn with a turn template. You place the turn template in the front guides and then place the side of the ship base flush with the end of the template, sliding where you want similar to a barrel roll. The T-70 can perform this maneuver at speed 3 while the TIE/fo has the S-loop At speed too. The unknown symbol appears to be a weapon modification slot based on one of the spoiled cards. The First Order is a subfaction of the Empire and the Resistance is a subfaction of the Rebel Alliance. The upgrade category is called "Tech" and the rules allow it work in co junction with Modifications.

Here are the sweet, sweet pictures: http://imgur.com/a/Qzdzt
And some more: http://imgur.com/a/TNJiY

The T-70's Tallon roll is speed 3 not speed 2. if it was speed 2 you could put an R2 astro on a T-70 an laugh your ass off.

 EmilCrane wrote:
The T-70's Tallon roll is speed 3 not speed 2. if it was speed 2 you could put an R2 astro on a T-70 an laugh your ass off.

Noted, sorry for the typo!

Soooooo
Does the new damage deck replace the old one? Do you mix them together? Or are they held separately and the appropriate deck is dealt onto the ship in question (the same way Epic damage is ship specific).
And if the new deck replaces the old...and I choose to NOT buy the new hotness (yeah, right. Tell us another one)...does that make my existing deck illegal in Tournys?

At least the questions of compatibility are answered and we will get plenty of spares out of the new core.

dkellyj wrote:
Soooooo
Does the new damage deck replace the old one? Do you mix them together? Or are they held separately and the appropriate deck is dealt onto the ship in question (the same way Epic damage is ship specific).
And if the new deck replaces the old...and I choose to NOT buy the new hotness (yeah, right. Tell us another one)...does that make my existing deck illegal in Tournys?

At least the questions of compatibility are answered and we will get plenty of spares out of the new core.

From the rule book: "The damage deck included in this box replaces the damage deck in the original X-wing core set. If players have both, they should use the new deck included in this box."

How that affects tournament play is yet to be seen, though I'm sure it will be addressed in an upcoming tournament rule update.

Sooo, basically the new Xwing is just soooo much better then the old one then? That Tallon roll looks pretty sweet! Well at least its still an "xwing"!

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:
NEW INFO!

There is a new damage deck and also a new maneuver, the Tallon Roll, which is a K-turn with a turn template. You place the turn template in the front guides and then place the side of the ship base flush with the end of the template, sliding where you want similar to a barrel roll. The T-70 can perform this maneuver at speed 3 while the TIE/fo has the S-loop At speed too. The unknown symbol appears to be a weapon modification slot based on one of the spoiled cards. The First Order is a subfaction of the Empire and the Resistance is a subfaction of the Rebel Alliance. The upgrade category is called "Tech" and the rules allow it work in co junction with Modifications.

Here are the sweet, sweet pictures: http://imgur.com/a/Qzdzt
And some more: http://imgur.com/a/TNJiY

Well this looks promising, the new starter looks pretty solid overall. Hopefully they follow this release up with a red marked SF Tie with a rear firing arc and another variant of Poe's/black squadron piloting the black X wings! I do hope JJ had a new Tie bomber designed though, the First Order will be lacking in ship variety quite a bit if that isn't the case and there is just two tie variants.

So, two new starters and a blister of each ship it is...

Holy crap that TIE/FO dial is insane, and the wired ept would work very well for a TIE swarm with ps4 generics. Not to mention the ps6 guy who gets rid of stress would mesh extremely well with a howlrunner swarm and a bsp packing wingman to take care of him as well.

The new TIE definitely seems to have earned its point increase in my eyes

Tallon roll is AWESOME. The new X-Wing is incredible, and has definite power over the B-Wing due to it.

Ok... ok... I take it back. Between the T-70 dial and Tallon Roll, Poe is so worth including into a list. This Totally Obsoletes the old X-Wing.

 Anpu-adom wrote:
Ok... ok... I take it back. Between the T-70 dial and Tallon Roll, Poe is so worth including into a list. This Totally Obsoletes the old X-Wing.

...for now.

Poe and the T-70 are awesome for sure, but we don't know what FFG has in store for the old X-wing. I'd like to believe there is something down the pipe for them.