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3 missing SKUs.
X-Wing/T-70 upgrade pack (either a modified model or a repainted X-Wing with new cards to backfit existing T-65s)
TIE upgrade pack (repainted TIE with new cards)
New "Imp" Shuttle with potential cross-faction cards/dials.
Leaving a potential 'wave 9' opening to cover any one offs (thinking of a cool bad-guy ship ala Vader's Adv, Maul's Sith transport, etc) that may become hits in the movie.
Manchu wrote: And how do you know about cards yet to be introduced? What a lot of blather.
The TIE/x1 and TIE/v1 titles are not currently in game and therefore cannot affect any ship, both currently playable or forthcoming? Nope, I didn't think so either so they haven't been introduced to the game. Now I'm beginning to see why how the titles work is giving you fits...
ScootyPuffJunior wrote: Every single title card currently on the game, and the ones yet to be introduced, all list a single ship on the face of the card telling the player which ship it can be use equipped.
Yet another example of circular argument. And you talk about me not getting it! I suppose we had better go through it once more: The disputed claim is, title cards only apply to one ship. This claim cannot be proven by simply restating it.
Again, your entire arguement is that the name of a ship on a card that matches the name of a ship that is in the game is too ambiguous for you to understand.
Soooo...
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KellyJ wrote: New "Imp" Shuttle with potential cross-faction cards/dials.
A ship packaged with dials for more than one faction would be totally novel. (I have often suggested it myself for a Rogue Shadow box but I doubt that will ever happen.)
You certainly love animated gifs ... understanding arguments, not so much! There's no point going on if you can't even properly summarize my argument ... which shouldn't be difficult considering I have concisely restated it for you numerous times on two message boards. Otherwise you're just arguing against an imaginary friend.
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First of all, these images seem totally legit. I wasn't entirely sure they were going to make a new Core Set at first, but the more I thought about it the more I figured it was probably going to happen. However, I did say this:
ScootyPuffJunior wrote: The T-70 X-wing is going to have to have different stats (and possibly dial) than the T-65 X-wing
...it appears as if I was correct, with the new Resistance X-Wing having a stat line of 3/2/3/3 and an action bar that has a boost icon. It also has a maneuver dial with a green speed 3 straight (told ya, Manchu ). As far as the ship cards go, the name is the ship is different than the original. You can't see the entire time because it's blocked, but you can tell it is "______ X-wing" based on the fact that "X-wing" isn't centered on the card. There is also a new kind of upgrade.
Also interesting of note is the new TIE is called the "TIE/FO." The model seems to be the same, save for the paint job, but I think there's a fair bet that it has a different stat line and upgrade bar.
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ScootyPuffJunior wrote: I still don't think that there is going to be a new starter set based on two alternate designs of current ships.
ScootyPuffJunior wrote: If by some small chance there is a new starter set (which I highly doubt)
ScootyPuffJunior wrote: As far as the ship cards go, the name is the ship is different than the original. You can't see the entire time because it's blocked, but you can tell it is "______ X-wing" based on the fact that "X-wing" isn't centered on the card.
Where it lists the contents on the back of the box, it says Resistance X-Wing.
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Still, I did say that if they did make a new core set, the ships would be different while you insisted that FFG would not split the X-wing. If these pictures are real (and I think they certainly are) it would appear I was correct (also regarding the First Order TIE as well... ). I think now that a new core set is all but confirmed, it kind of narrows down the two missing SKUs as either being blisters of the new ship or something like Kylo Ren's shuttle (which has a Lego set) and the Millennium Falcon v2.0, though I'm inclined to suspect the former.
I think the real question is what are they going to do with the old X-wing...
Also, regarding the leak, I think this is fitting:
d-usa wrote: "When the Internet sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending posters that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing strawmen. They're bringing spam. They're trolls. And some, I assume, are good people."
No I actually didn't but this totally confirms that you never comprehended what I was actually saying:
Manchu wrote: And I'm also not trying to be too rigid about this, since it is all speculation one way or the other. My point is, there is really no reason the T-70 needs to be a distinct ship rather than a title card like TIE/x1. It's certainly possible that FFG could produce the T-70 as something almost but not quite the same as the T-65; for example, just adding Boost to the T-65's action bar.
Manchu wrote: Again, FFG could certainly create a different ship card for the T-70. I don't know what they'll do (my crystal ball has never worked reliably). I just think it would be perfectly reasonable from a marketing perspective, from a gaming perspective, and from a fluff perspective, if they just put a different (i.e, T-70) sculpt in the box and gave us a title or mod to somehow fix X-Wings (including the T-65 sculpt).
Wow, I definitely wouldn't wanna be the guy responsible for those leaks! If they figure out who it was, there will definitely be a position opening up somewhere...
I really wonder if this won't introduce a new theater to the X-Wing game. Perhaps they'll only be usable in Awakened play, and the Empire, Rebels and Scum factions will get some sort of bonus to stay competitive with the obviously improved technologies.
On the other hand, just the incompatibilities of upgrades could distinguish these heirs to the Empire.
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Orkeosaurus wrote:Star Trek also said we'd have X-Wings by now. We all see how that prediction turned out.
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No I actually didn't but this totally confirms that you never comprehended what I was actually saying:
Manchu wrote: And I'm also not trying to be too rigid about this, since it is all speculation one way or the other. My point is, there is really no reason the T-70 needs to be a distinct ship rather than a title card like TIE/x1. It's certainly possible that FFG could produce the T-70 as something almost but not quite the same as the T-65; for example, just adding Boost to the T-65's action bar.
Manchu wrote: Again, FFG could certainly create a different ship card for the T-70. I don't know what they'll do (my crystal ball has never worked reliably). I just think it would be perfectly reasonable from a marketing perspective, from a gaming perspective, and from a fluff perspective, if they just put a different (i.e, T-70) sculpt in the box and gave us a title or mod to somehow fix X-Wings (including the T-65 sculpt).
LOL even got the boost action correct.
Yeah, you "guessed" a boost action... after I said this:
ScootyPuffJunior wrote: I would imagine the T-70 will have a stat line of something like 3/2/3/3 and an action bar with Focus, Target Lock, Evade, and Boost.
Regarding your first point, you were pretty clearly in the "it won't get new stats camp" from the beginning, as evidenced by this post that you conveniently didn't quote:
Manchu wrote: To steer a bit back to the issue of Force Awakens, I have been positing:
SWX36: Force Awakens Starter Set
SWX37: Force Awakens X-Wing
SWX38: Force Awakens TIE Fighter
where the ship stats remain the same but they come with new pilots and upgrade cards.
I comprehended what you were saying (which I think is kind of skirting rule #1, based on how many people get mod warnings in the OT for throwing that accusation around). As you said, your position was: new core set, new models, same stats. However, you left yourself an out by saying they'll make a title card (which it doesn't seem like they will, at least not with this core set). It's no different than me talking about the new core set; I was pretty firmly in the "no new core set" camp and I was pretty sure that it wasn't going to happen. However, I left myself an out by saying that if it did, it would probably be like "XYZ."
So we can continue the dick measuring contest or just admit that both of us were right about some stuff and wrong about some other stuff.
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Lord Corellia wrote: Wow, I definitely wouldn't wanna be the guy responsible for those leaks! If they figure out who it was, there will definitely be a position opening up somewhere...
I would imagine something like this happened:
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d-usa wrote: "When the Internet sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending posters that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing strawmen. They're bringing spam. They're trolls. And some, I assume, are good people."
ScootyPuffJunior wrote: I would imagine the T-70 will have a stat line of something like 3/2/3/3 and an action bar with Focus, Target Lock, Evade, and Boost.
Yeah, and notice how I didn't say anything about Evade ...
ScootyPuffJunior wrote: So we can continue the dick measuring contest or just admit that both of us were right about some stuff and wrong about some other stuff.
You mean like this?
Manchu wrote: LOL I think we should call it even ...
Put it away and zip up, SPJr.
TIE/FO ____ looks to have four actions ... S-Loop?
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You didn't and you still don't. See the posts I quoted above where I explicitly say "I don't know what FFG will do but I think X is a possibility."
You said, "I have been positing: [...] ship stats remain the same."
In case you were wondering, "positing" meas to assume or put forward as fact. So despite giving yourself an out with an imaginary title card, you were operating on the assumption that there will be no new stats for the new ships, something said repeatedly. But I guess I don't have any reading comprehension so what the feth do I know, right?
ScootyPuffJunior wrote: I would imagine the T-70 will have a stat line of something like 3/2/3/3 and an action bar with Focus, Target Lock, Evade, and Boost.
Yeah, and notice how I didn't say anything about Evade ...
It may very well have an Evade action, but I doubt it.
ScootyPuffJunior wrote: So we can continue the dick measuring contest or just admit that both of us were right about some stuff and wrong about some other stuff.
You mean like this?
Manchu wrote: LOL I think we should call it even ...
Put it away and zip up, SPJr.
I'll wait for you.
By the way, saying "let's call it even" and then list a bunch of quotes to try and show me I was wrong about something I admitted to being wrong about isn't exactly "calling it even." But that's neither here nor there, you can continue to goad me if you want, no worries!
TIE/FO ____ looks to have four actions ... S-Loop?
S-loop as an action? I'm inclined to say no. I think there is a better chance that it has Target Lock.
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d-usa wrote: "When the Internet sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending posters that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing strawmen. They're bringing spam. They're trolls. And some, I assume, are good people."
I ran the images through a few layers, and came up with this.
Spoiler:
Looks like something new. Perhaps a loop, with the 1 move backwards? Or drifting lazily to the left.
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Orkeosaurus wrote:Star Trek also said we'd have X-Wings by now. We all see how that prediction turned out.
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ScootyPuffJunior wrote: S-loop as an action? I'm inclined to say no. I think there is a better chance that it has Target Lock.
Are you basing that on squinting at the pic or the rarity of S-Loop maneuvers or something else?
Well, I've zoomed in:
But I can't really make out what it is.
Mainly though, I just don't see the S-loop being an action. A maneuver, sure... but no other ship than can perform that maneuver has it listed on their pilot card or ship token, which only list actions.
It is either a new action (which I doubt) or Target Lock or SLAM, with my gut telling me Target Lock. If anything, it probably looks like the E-wing ship token which has, in descending order: Evade, Barrel Roll, Target Lock, Focus.
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So ive noticed something here, there appears to be a new droid card, with BB 8 as one of the main droids. Would it be safe to say that the new xwing only gets to use the new droid? This would certainly fix the idea that the old xwing will be obsolete, since you will still be able to use the vast array of droids available.
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Manchu wrote: Oh sorry, that's my mistake, I meant some kind of action involving an S-Loop.
So you're saying that it is a new type of action?
I guess that is a possibility, but I'd place my money on it being one we already have.
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Yeah, I guess it would be a little far-fetched to expect a brand new mechanic out of starter set. That's not really the point of starter sets, after all. The new ships will shake things up enough as it is. Have to say, I am more excited to find out about the TIE/FO's stats than the T-70's.
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generalchaos34 wrote: Would it be safe to say that the new xwing only gets to use the new droid?
What is the symbol on the back of the card next to the BB8? Seems like a new one.
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generalchaos34 wrote: Would it be safe to say that the new xwing only gets to use the new droid?
What is the symbol on the back of the card next to the BB8? Seems like a new one.
I think chances are good that it's a new droid type, but since BB-8 is pretty much the only droid from Episode VII we've seen (save for Artoo of course), it's hard to say for sure.
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generalchaos34 wrote: Would it be safe to say that the new xwing only gets to use the new droid?
What is the symbol on the back of the card next to the BB8? Seems like a new one.
I think chances are good that it's a new droid type, but since BB-8 is pretty much the only droid from Episode VII we've seen (save for Artoo of course), it's hard to say for sure.
Possibly the new xwings only have the round sockets? I bet that would mean that Luke is flying an old school Xwing (i for one would like to see both on screen)
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generalchaos34 wrote: Possibly the new xwings only have the round sockets? I bet that would mean that Luke is flying an old school Xwing (i for one would like to see both on screen)
I wouldn't be surprised by a new astromech slot for the new X-wing. They did the same thing with S&V and the Salvaged Astromech.
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I might have missed it but didn't anyone notice the X-Wing Blue Ace's ability? When he/she/it performs a boost action, he/she/it can use the hard 1 turns.....very powerful.
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Zathras wrote: I might have missed it but didn't anyone notice the X-Wing Blue Ace's ability? When he/she/it performs a boost action, he/she/it can use the hard 1 turns.....very powerful.
Yep.
It's like a better version of this:
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AndrewGPaul wrote: At first glance, those First Order TIE Fighters don't appear to have the rear gunner shown on photos of the props.
That is the "Special Forces" TIE and it different than the ones you see lined up at the First Order rally in the teaser trailer.
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Excited for Blue X-Wings, not so excited for those Tie Fighters (at least the models). Is that a new card back for the damage deck behind the currently unknown what it does droid icon?
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). As far as the ship cards go, the name is the ship is different than the original. You can't see the entire time because it's blocked, but you can tell it is "______ X-wing" based on the fact that "X-wing" isn't centered on the card. There is also a new kind of upgrade.
). I think now that a new core set is all but confirmed, it kind of narrows down the two missing SKUs as either being blisters of the new ship or something like Kylo Ren's shuttle (which has a Lego set) and the Millennium Falcon v2.0, though I'm inclined to suspect the former.
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