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I'm still holding out hope that the new tie and xwing single expansions will come with some sort of upgrade card for the original xwing and tie.

So the t-70 gets this new tallon roll, that's pretty darn cool. Is that the senegor loop on the TIE's dial?

 Nicorex wrote:
So the t-70 gets this new tallon roll, that's pretty darn cool. Is that the senegor loop on the TIE's dial?

Yes.

If the t-70 has a significantly different dial from the t-65, what does that mean for a potential title card to upgrade the old X-Wing?

Also, I'm curious how adding a boost and 1 shield to an X-Wing at the cost of 3 points does for it's jousting efficiency. The old X-Wing was already one or two points overcosted. I hope the answer isn't "just buy t-70 expansion packs", because a lot of people will want to use classic X-wings.

 DanielBeaver wrote:
If the t-70 has a significantly different dial from the t-65, what does that mean for a potential title card to upgrade the old X-Wing?

Also, I'm curious how adding a boost and 1 shield to an X-Wing at the cost of 3 points does for it's jousting efficiency. The old X-Wing was already one or two points overcosted. I hope the answer isn't "just buy t-70 expansion packs", because a lot of people will want to use classic X-wings.

Heres the problem, if they do add a card like the TIE/X1 or the Chardrin refit in order to fix Xwings, would it not also be usable by the new ship and still make the old Xwing just as useless? The only way I could conceivably see them doing it would be an "xwing only" title that also recreates something or invalidates an advantage of the new ship, like a "turn all 3 turns into talon rolls" or a Rogue Squadron title that gives you 2 elite talents or maybe a point reductions, but it invalidates the weapon tech upgrades from the new cards.

 Anpu-adom wrote:
Ok... ok... I take it back. Between the T-70 dial and Tallon Roll, Poe is so worth including into a list. This Totally Obsoletes the old X-Wing.

Except you can get 4 generic T-65s with R2 units while only 3 T70s...though with points left over for higher PS and upgrades.
Still...4 on 3 can be tough odds. If I can kill 2 T70s your last ship has to table me to win.
(EDIT) Yes, you could get 4 PS2 generic T70s with 4 points remaining...but the T65 is packing 4 PS4 guys with all 1 and 2 moves being green.

KellyJ wrote:

 Anpu-adom wrote:
Ok... ok... I take it back. Between the T-70 dial and Tallon Roll, Poe is so worth including into a list. This Totally Obsoletes the old X-Wing.

Except you can get 4 generic T-65s with R2 units while only 3 T70s...though with points left over for higher PS and upgrades.
Still...4 on 3 can be tough odds. If I can kill 2 T70s your last ship has to table me to win.
(EDIT) Yes, you could get 4 PS2 generic T70s with 4 points remaining...but the T65 is packing 4 PS4 guys with all 1 and 2 moves being green.

Those talon rolls are going to make arc dodging a heck of a lot easier though, not to mention that the boost will make it easier to get behind someone that much quicker

KellyJ wrote:

 Anpu-adom wrote:
Ok... ok... I take it back. Between the T-70 dial and Tallon Roll, Poe is so worth including into a list. This Totally Obsoletes the old X-Wing.

Except you can get 4 generic T-65s with R2 units while only 3 T70s...though with points left over for higher PS and upgrades.
Still...4 on 3 can be tough odds. If I can kill 2 T70s your last ship has to table me to win.
(EDIT) Yes, you could get 4 PS2 generic T70s with 4 points remaining...but the T65 is packing 4 PS4 guys with all 1 and 2 moves being green.

Actually, you can get 4 T-70's into a 100 point list as well. (Blue Squadron Pilots are 25pt exactly with an R2).

Overall, quite excited for these guys. All the advantages the B-wing got over the X-wing, the T-70 got over the T-65. This guy actually gives us a choice of "Speed vs Durability".

I remember the guys on Boardgamegeek pondering what the the new Tallon roll ended up as as a way to upgrade X-Wings a long time back, actually. May e FFG actually uses fan ideas, or maybe it's just parallel thinking?

Makes me wonder which came first, the Signors Loop or the Tallon Roll.

Also note that native boost means auto thrusters if you want them - making focussed poe almost unkillable at long range with multiple weak attacks...

In Star Wars continuity, the B-Wing should never have eclipsed the X-Wing as they are built for drastically different purposes. In-game, it's harder to portray.

I've never been a fan of the X-Wing personally, but I must say I am glad to see it brought out of mothballs, so to speak.

One last note, I have terrible eyesight (years of painting miniatures three inches from my face and reading in the dark, I'm told!) is that new X-Wing the same mold as the original one or is it new?

It's a whole new model

 statu wrote:
It's a whole new model

Indeed, and so is the black tie fighter. There are slight differences in the wing area you can notice. Its very similar, but not quite the same. Love the new ship designs though!

I like the t-70 design - it's got that feel of an upgrade to a venerable design, sort of like the F/A-18 Super Hornet.

The "design" of new TIE is basically a pallet swap. Super uninspired - would it have killed Disney to at least tweak the panel geometry?

From a recent report, Abrahms' has stated that the idea of the new film is what if the Nazis that fled to Argentina had decided to work together and started over?

He also stated that Kylo Ren is no Sith.

 DanielBeaver wrote:
I like the t-70 design - it's got that feel of an upgrade to a venerable design, sort of like the F/A-18 Super Hornet.

It's actually kind of a "downgrade" design-wise, because it is based on this:



That was Ralph McQuarrie's concept for the X-wing from 1975, which in turn was based on Joe Johnston's concept (he's the guy that directed Honey, I Shrunk The Kids).

Yeah, the s-foils interlock when closed.

Also - the new talent "wired" - because tycho apparently isn't good enough when stooging around with a pile of stress tokens higher than his head, so he needed to be ibitsam-lite as well...