Kentucky Clerk’s Office Defies Court Order to Issue Same-Sex Marriage Licenses

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**d-usa**

Polonius wrote:
Ensis Ferrae wrote:
sebster wrote:

For a certain kind of lunatic, being oppressed, and even better being a martyr, can be way more important than boring stuff like leading a decent life or being a constructive member of society. That nonsense is annoying most of the time, but completely awesome when someone starts talking about dying for their cause when absolutely no-one even thought of trying to kill them.

Hehe.... I'm trying to picture a group of extremely militant homosexuals... I keep coming up with images of them breaking into this guy's house and making it absolutely sparkle with how fabulous it looks!

While I hesitate to trade too much in stereotypes, keep in mind that not all homosexuals are men, and not all male homosexuals are femme. There are plenty of bears, leather daddies, and "butch" lesbians to cause whatever type of ruckus you have in mind.

I almost got tongued by a bear once, it was traumatizing for me but hilarious for my wife.

**Ouze**

reds8n wrote:
Ouze wrote:
.... and she is still refusing to issue them.

I'm pretty sure this woman is going to see the inside of a cell, and soon, for contempt.

so she has or hasn't been divorced 3 times and is on her 4th marriage ?

I haven't been able to source that definitively, but that is the scuttlebutt.

**Vash108**

d-usa wrote:
Polonius wrote:
Ensis Ferrae wrote:
sebster wrote:

For a certain kind of lunatic, being oppressed, and even better being a martyr, can be way more important than boring stuff like leading a decent life or being a constructive member of society. That nonsense is annoying most of the time, but completely awesome when someone starts talking about dying for their cause when absolutely no-one even thought of trying to kill them.

Hehe.... I'm trying to picture a group of extremely militant homosexuals... I keep coming up with images of them breaking into this guy's house and making it absolutely sparkle with how fabulous it looks!

While I hesitate to trade too much in stereotypes, keep in mind that not all homosexuals are men, and not all male homosexuals are femme. There are plenty of bears, leather daddies, and "butch" lesbians to cause whatever type of ruckus you have in mind.

I almost got tongued by a bear once, it was traumatizing for me but hilarious for my wife.

I read your reply before the quotes and pictures a brown bear trying to kiss you

**Ouze**

I just woke up and don't feel like pasting the whole article in the thread yet but she has petitioned the Supreme Court.

**Co'tor Shas**

*sigh*

I really want them to take up so they can call her an utter fool to her face.

**Ouze**

Also, the County AG has begun the first steps to having her charged with misconduct, which is the only way to remove her from office.

KRS 522.020 and KRS 522.030 deal with official misconduct in the first and second degree, respectively. “A public servant is guilty of official misconduct in the first degree when, with intent to obtain or confer a benefit or to injure another person or to deprive another person of a benefit, knowingly commits an act relating to his office which constitutes an unauthorized exercise of his official functions or refrains from performing a duty imposed upon him by law or clearly inherent in the nature of his office or violates any statute or lawfully adopted rule or regulation relating to his office,” according to KRS 522.020.

Remember, she's not allowing her office to issue ANY marriage licenses which is a wacky stance when that's pretty much the job.

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Co'tor Shas wrote:
I really want them to take up so they can call her an utter fool to her face.

My guess is it will be denied without comment.

**WrentheFaceless**

Ouze wrote:
I just woke up and don't feel like pasting the whole article in the thread yet but she has petitioned the Supreme Court.

Supreme Court says do your job

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/08/31/supreme-court-rules-against-kentucky-clerk-in-gay-marriage-case/?intcmp=hpbt2

**Breotan**

WrentheFaceless wrote:
Ouze wrote:
I just woke up and don't feel like pasting the whole article in the thread yet but she has petitioned the Supreme Court.

Supreme Court says do your job

Are we surprised? The religious exclusion only applies to religious organizations like the Catholic Church, not individuals. I thought this was obvious from the beginning.

**WrentheFaceless**

Common sense isnt so common these days

**sebster**

Ensis Ferrae wrote:
Hehe.... I'm trying to picture a group of extremely militant homosexuals... I keep coming up with images of them breaking into this guy's house and making it absolutely sparkle with how fabulous it looks!

You could probably just go with them nailing this clerk to an extremely fabulous cross.

Polonius wrote:
While I hesitate to trade too much in stereotypes, keep in mind that not all homosexuals are men, and not all male homosexuals are femme. There are plenty of bears, leather daddies, and "butch" lesbians to cause whatever type of ruckus you have in mind.

Are we comfortable enough with homosexuality to play with the stereotypes a bit?

I mean that as a genuine question, I'm not sure myself and want to know what other people think. It's a tough issue, because I wouldn't want crude jokes to make people feel unwelcome, but on the other hand you don't make people included by making them sacred cows.

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Vash108 wrote:
I read your reply before the quotes and pictures a brown bear trying to kiss you

I read it the same

In fact I still read it that way and don't want to change.

**Ouze**

edit: someone beat me to it.

My guess is she won't issue licenses tomorrow, either.

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update: still not issuing licences after SCOTUS ruling.

**whembly**

She needs to be held in contempt and have her ass in jail.

**Ouze**

Protesters asked her if she would be issuing licences, and she said she would not. They asked by what authority, and she replied "God's".

She is going to make so much money from the Chik Fil A crowd, especially if she does a little stint in the pokey for contempt - they eat that right up.

I can see the book titles now: "Into the Lion's Den: One Woman's Stand for Faith".

Maybe Emily Watson can play her when the inevitable Kirk Cameron financed biopic comes out, as well - I can see it now. 6 million at the box office, 4% on Rotten Tomatoes.

**whembly**

Hey... don't ever mock Chik'Fil'A! Them fighting words!

Damn... now I'm hungry for some chicken sammiches.

*Thanks alot man.

*No really... thanks for deciding my lunch today.

**Ouze**

I'd recommend the spicy chicken sandwich. Once you go spicy, there is no going back to regular.

**agnosto**

I need a job like that, one that I can just show-up and collect a paycheck without doing my job and continue to get away with it; now that's an awesome job.

Boss: "We need you to do your job."
Me: "God told me that I don't have to."
Boss: "Uh, you're fired."

Maybe applications for employment need to be changed to include religion as something that may prevent you from doing your job in addition to disabilities.

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Ouze wrote:
I'd recommend the spicy chicken sandwich. Once you go spicy, there is no going back to regular.

I worked there in high school. Ask them to double-bread your filet....seriously; so unhealthy but so good.

**Frazzled**

She is going to make so much money from the Chik Fil A crowd,

Mmm....Going to be working late. Sounds like a Chik Fil A opportunity! POlitics shmolitics me likey their chicken!

**d-usa**

Looks like the judge has summoned her:

http://m.newsok.com/federal-judge-orders-kentucky-clerk-and-her-staff-to-court/article/feed/883124

**Frazzled**

There you go. I would bet good money she resigns shortly.

**agnosto**

Why do people always threaten to kill people who disagree with them? I don't agree with what this lady is doing but death threats are silly. Let the courts workit out, as it appears that they are.

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Frazzled wrote:
There you go. I would bet good money she resigns shortly.

Yep, financial penalties sufficiently onerous to make her do her job.

God apparently has no problem with her collecting money she hasn't earned through her honest labor; odd that.

**kronk**

agnosto wrote:
Why do people always threaten to kill people who disagree with them? I don't agree with what this lady is doing but death threats are silly. Let the courts workit out, as it appears that they are.

You've never played Gin Rummy.

#ItIsThatImportant

**WrentheFaceless**

In a move that surprised absolutely no one

Pretty sure her paycheck isnt signed by "God"

**Kanluwen**

agnosto wrote:
Why do people always threaten to kill people who disagree with them? I don't agree with what this lady is doing but death threats are silly. Let the courts workit out, as it appears that they are.

Her husband and lawyers are the one saying she's received death threats.

I wouldn't be surprised if there were trolly death threats being sent her way by teenagers who think they are funny but I would be surprised if there were legitimate death threats which would mandate actual law enforcement intervention.

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Frazzled wrote:
There you go. I would bet good money she resigns shortly.

Yep, financial penalties sufficiently onerous to make her do her job.
God apparently has no problem with her collecting money she hasn't earned through her honest labor; odd that.

Truthfully, financial penalties are the best way to go--because as Ouze said, if she does any jail time(even a night in a holding cell all by her lonesome with her supporters allowed to be there the whole time) she'll be a martyr for the Right Side of The Argument.

**d-usa**

I am sure that any financial penalties will be covered by a GoFundMe drive. You would have to levy it against the county for it to have any effect.

**WrentheFaceless**

Yea she's probably eyeing that Kickstarter money as we speak

**Frazzled**

agnosto wrote:
Why do people always threaten to kill people who disagree with them? I don't agree with what this lady is doing but death threats are silly. Let the courts workit out, as it appears that they are.

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Frazzled wrote:
There you go. I would bet good money she resigns shortly.

Yep, financial penalties sufficiently onerous to make her do her job.

God apparently has no problem with her collecting money she hasn't earned through her honest labor; odd that.

Hey leave Dog out of this. He got no bone in this hunt.

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d-usa wrote:
I am sure that any financial penalties will be covered by a GoFundMe drive. You would have to levy it against the county for it to have any effect.

She's elected. Its not up to the county.

**Psienesis**

Depends on the county's impeachment rules.

**SilverMK2**

Now we just have to expand this ruling to include all those officiating on behalf of the state when it comes to... well... anything...

**Psienesis**

That will require something like the ERA, either on a state level (as in Oregon) or the Federal level. Basically, it would have to extend the protections granted to "race, creed, color, religion and national origins" to "sexual orientation" as well, which would make it a violation of civil rights to discriminate against them.

**Ashiraya**

It is absurd that it got this far. If you were elected to do a job, and your religion forbids you from doing your job, you either quit the religion or quit the job.

You don't continue to do your job but not really.