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**warboss**

casvalremdeikun wrote:

This one figure costs as much as a squad of Sanguinary Guard. Still, he is pretty awesome and unique.

That he is. It's just that I thought the idea of $20 for a single plastic monopose character with little to no customizability at $20 was absurd when they introduced it but a single space marine in power armor for $33 has officially gone plaid for me. It's not that I can't afford it but rather find myself not wanting to reward that blatant greed with a purchase. Characters have always been priced higher but just wow... YMMV as everyone has their own limits. I just wanted to point out that it's almost as much as a squad of 10 guys (or 5 more similar guys in your example, JP infantry with wings) or a vehicle.

**casvalremdeikun**

warboss wrote:
casvalremdeikun wrote:

This one figure costs as much as a squad of Sanguinary Guard. Still, he is pretty awesome and unique.

That he is. It's just that I thought the idea of $20 for a single plastic monopose character with little to no customizability at $20 was absurd when they introduced it but a single space marine in power armor for $33 has officially gone plaid for me. It's not that I can't afford it but rather find myself not wanting to reward that blatant greed with a purchase. Characters have always been priced higher but just wow... YMMV as everyone has their own limits. I just wanted to point out that it's almost as much as a squad of 10 guys (or 5 more similar guys in your example, JP infantry with wings) or a vehicle.

Unless the status of the Blood Angels rules changes somehow, this guy will be my sole Blood Angels purchase for quite some time, so I don't have problems paying the premium price. He will probably get to represent Lemartes. If Blood Angels are in the Mont'ka book and get a bunch of rules to make them at least viable in Today's meta, I will buy him, the Campaign book, and whatever it takes to field some of the formations from the book. But that is a big IF. Right now, I am just pleased to see a nice model coming to Blood Angels.

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Am I the only person disappointed by the fact that Shadowsun in a Ghostkeel does not have any stats? That seems like something they should have put in the Kauyon book.

**DevonMrtnz**

SinisterSamurai wrote:
Sad Panda wrote:
The Friday/Saturday notwithstanding, that pre-order weekend is correct.

No Tau models, but a mix of Imperial things, notably repackaged black-clad operatives hunting O'Shova.

Any word if Sororitas formations/rules/anything appear? Devon Martinez has earned it.

Idk who you are, but thanks for bringing me up! Also. yeah. Would be swell if Sisters got a formation or two!

**ultimentra**

warboss wrote:
casvalremdeikun wrote:

This one figure costs as much as a squad of Sanguinary Guard. Still, he is pretty awesome and unique.

That he is. It's just that I thought the idea of $20 for a single plastic monopose character with little to no customizability at $20 was absurd.

He's only monopose and has no customizability if you have no idea how to use a knife and glue, and you never color outside the lines. Marines are among the easiest figures to convert, I already have ideas for this guy.

**casvalremdeikun**

ultimentra wrote:
warboss wrote:
casvalremdeikun wrote:

This one figure costs as much as a squad of Sanguinary Guard. Still, he is pretty awesome and unique.

That he is. It's just that I thought the idea of $20 for a single plastic monopose character with little to no customizability at $20 was absurd.

He's only monopose and has no customizability if you have no idea how to use a knife and glue, and you never color outside the lines. Marines are among the easiest figures to convert, I already have ideas for this guy.

Heck, they can be customized without liberal use of a knife. The GW product pages even talk about how easy kits are to use together.

I will admit, Karlaen is a WEE bit hard to customize than the average Space Marine. However, if the little nubs that are designed to aid in getting him in the advertised pose are too big of a hurdle for someone to conquer, I would suggest they find a different hobby.

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I need to make it clear that I REALLY hope this book comes with a Super Formation for Blood Angels and Imperial Guard. It would be very cool if it was set up much like the Kauyon book, only it had Blood Angels, Imperial Guard, and Assassins as well as formations for the Farsight Enclaves.

**Crimson Devil**

ultimentra wrote:
warboss wrote:
casvalremdeikun wrote:

This one figure costs as much as a squad of Sanguinary Guard. Still, he is pretty awesome and unique.

That he is. It's just that I thought the idea of $20 for a single plastic monopose character with little to no customizability at $20 was absurd.

He's only monopose and has no customizability if you have no idea how to use a knife and glue, and you never color outside the lines. Marines are among the easiest figures to convert, I already have ideas for this guy.

He is monopose because he is meant to be built one way. There is no inherent way to modify these character packs as is. Saying he isn't monopose because you can cut him up is like me saying you have a removable slip cover because you can be skinned.

**SinisterSamurai**

ultimentra wrote:
warboss wrote:
casvalremdeikun wrote:

This one figure costs as much as a squad of Sanguinary Guard. Still, he is pretty awesome and unique.

That he is. It's just that I thought the idea of $20 for a single plastic monopose character with little to no customizability at $20 was absurd.

He's only monopose and has no customizability if you have no idea how to use a knife and glue, and you never color outside the lines. Marines are among the easiest figures to convert, I already have ideas for this guy.

Your roommate could have apprenticed carpentry under Jesus, but that doesn't mean you bought a good rocking chair if you come home with a block of wood. Unless this mini has something specific about it that makes it more easily customizable than the standard mini line-up, bringing up knifework isn't an effective defense of a mini's static poses in comparison to the standard mini line-up.

**Breotan**

DevonMrtnz wrote:
SinisterSamurai wrote:

Any word if Sororitas formations/rules/anything appear? Devon Martinez has earned it.

Idk who you are, but thanks for bringing me up! Also. yeah. Would be swell if Sisters got a formation or two!

I hear that Sisters are next*.

Spoiler:

**DevonMrtnz**

Breotan wrote:
DevonMrtnz wrote:
SinisterSamurai wrote:

Any word if Sororitas formations/rules/anything appear? Devon Martinez has earned it.

Idk who you are, but thanks for bringing me up! Also. yeah. Would be swell if Sisters got a formation or two!

I hear that Sisters are next*.

Spoiler:

* - Next in line after Bretonnians, that is.

Luckily Sisters get just enough of a trickle of life support to keep hope alive. And to be perfectly fair, ALL of Fantasy has flatlined.

**warboss**

ultimentra wrote:
warboss wrote:
casvalremdeikun wrote:

This one figure costs as much as a squad of Sanguinary Guard. Still, he is pretty awesome and unique.

That he is. It's just that I thought the idea of $20 for a single plastic monopose character with little to no customizability at $20 was absurd.

He's only monopose and has no customizability if you have no idea how to use a knife and glue, and you never color outside the lines. Marines are among the easiest figures to convert, I already have ideas for this guy.

By your reasoning, a lump of clay is as good as a normal assembled miniature... you just need some imagination, some tools, an oven, and water! I've converted plenty of minis in my time but when you're talking about the posability of a mini, most normal folks refer to what you can build out of the box as intended by the manufacturer. Not what you can do over an above that to make up for a lack of posing options in a mini that goes together in one specific way. Converting is NOT the same as posing a miniature.

**Mr Morden**

DevonMrtnz wrote:
SinisterSamurai wrote:
Sad Panda wrote:
The Friday/Saturday notwithstanding, that pre-order weekend is correct.

No Tau models, but a mix of Imperial things, notably repackaged black-clad operatives hunting O'Shova.

Any word if Sororitas formations/rules/anything appear? Devon Martinez has earned it.

Idk who you are, but thanks for bringing me up! Also. yeah. Would be swell if Sisters got a formation or two!

Well considering that GW pulled out all the stops for the Sororitas in Shield of Baal in terms of new artwork, great background and general coolness and STILL gave them nothing in terms of rules - I think its unlikely

**Breotan**

DevonMrtnz wrote:
And to be perfectly fair, ALL of Fantasy has flatlined.

Yea, well that happens when GW decides to scrap the entire system and start selling Space Marines in Fantasy Armor.

**ultimentra**

Hahaha holy gak soooo many people are upset about my post, I feed on them salty tears people. Keep them coming.

Sooooo easy to just cut this guy up and stick other bits on. Especially the head, legs, and weapons. If the jetpack is separate from the torso, even more so. You guys haven't even seen the sprue yet and you're whining like dogs!

**casvalremdeikun**

ultimentra wrote:
Hahaha holy gak soooo many people are upset about my post, I feed on them salty tears people. Keep them coming.

Sooooo easy to just cut this guy up and stick other bits on. Especially the head, legs, and weapons. If the jetpack is separate from the torso, even more so. You guys haven't even seen the sprue yet and you're whining like dogs!

I will get you bottom dollar that the jump pack is separate. My only complaint is that I don't care for the sinewy armor. I would rather it was all one type, rather than half and half. I like the smooth armor better. If I could figure out a good way to make it match, I would. I wish liquid green stuff was easier to work with. It seems like the right tool for the job. But, even if I can't wrap my brain around it, I will still be happy with the model.

If someone has ideas on how to smooth out the muscle armor, please let me know.

Again, I am hoping this is a sign that BA will be part of the Mont'ka book. I want to actually play my BA.

**Crimson Devil**

ultimentra wrote:
Hahaha holy gak soooo many people are upset about my post, I feed on them salty tears people. Keep them coming.

Sooooo easy to just cut this guy up and stick other bits on. Especially the head, legs, and weapons. If the jetpack is separate from the torso, even more so. You guys haven't even seen the sprue yet and you're whining like dogs!

So your response to being wrong is to accuse people of whining? Classy.

**Moopy**

casvalremdeikun wrote:

However, this could be a good sign as they are releasing miniatures that were once limited edition in standard release. This could be a way for people that missed miniatures they wanted to grab them. Hopefully they release the Strike Force Ultra Captain as well.

Crappy for those who spent money on "limited" items, only to find out you were snookered several months later.

**Lorien**

It was stated in the product discriptions of several of those sets (among them the Strike Force Ultra Set) that they would be released at a later time seperatly. So nothing crappy about it at all. Rereleasing limited releases without that note like the Website launch captains would be crappy on the other hand.

**Moopy**

There was no mention of it in the Exterminatus boxed sets.

**Crazyterran**

The box set was limited. Did they say the models were?

I regret not buying one just for the mini rule book... I was holding out for the tau/marine one that was rumoured, and we got Kauyon. >.<

**Matt.Kingsley**

Yeah the boxes themselves were exclusive, however the descriptions of said boxes never said the characters included were; they just said things along the line of 'currently available through this box set only', indicating that later the models could be released separately.

**casvalremdeikun**

Moopy wrote:
There was no mention of it in the Exterminatus boxed sets.

The boxes sets themselves were limited. The models had very careful language that made their release later possible.

**McNinja**

ultimentra wrote:
warboss wrote:
casvalremdeikun wrote:

This one figure costs as much as a squad of Sanguinary Guard. Still, he is pretty awesome and unique.

That he is. It's just that I thought the idea of $20 for a single plastic monopose character with little to no customizability at $20 was absurd.

He's only monopose and has no customizability if you have no idea how to use a knife and glue, and you never color outside the lines. Marines are among the easiest figures to convert, I already have ideas for this guy.

For $20 I can buy a gundam model that is fully poseable without any modifications AND I can glue whatever I want to it.

Face it, GW models are all overpriced by about 100%, and at this point you're simply paying into a vacuum of corporate greed and poor business decisions.

**hotsauceman1**

When the Gundam model is done, what do you do with it?

**Breotan**

McNinja wrote:
...and at this point you're simply paying into a vacuum of corporate greed and poor business decisions.

And yet they still reign supreme in the realm of tiny plastic toys.

**warboss**

hotsauceman1 wrote:
When the Gundam model is done, what do you do with it?

The same thing GW tells you to do with your 40k models... look at it (or technically in GW's case look at it and then buy another one soon after). Remember, GAMES Workshop is a model company, not a game company. That's straight from the horse's mouth... or maybe the other end... with GW, I'm never sure.

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ultimentra wrote:
Hahaha holy gak soooo many people are upset about my post, I feed on them salty tears people. Keep them coming.

Sooooo easy to just cut this guy up and stick other bits on. Especially the head, legs, and weapons. If the jetpack is separate from the torso, even more so. You guys haven't even seen the sprue yet and you're whining like dogs!

Trying to educate you on your own ignorance and lack of knowledge in regard to the difference between converting and posing a miniature isn't whining. It's being helpful to you and the community.

**Kanluwen**

Games Workshop wrote:Pushing ever forward, led by the watchful eyes of a reconnaissance Sentinel, the soldiers of the Emperor’s Shield Infantry Platoon are as relentless as they are determined. Laying down a constant hail of withering fire as they move, this platoon scythes down rank upon rank of enemies - few targets can withstand the brunt of their assault for long.

This bundle gives you everything needed to field the Emperor’s Shield Infantry Platoon, a formation found in War Zone Damocles: Mont’ka. You’ll receive a Cadian Command Squad, two sets of Cadian Shock Troops, two Cadian Heavy Weapons Squads and three Sentinels - thirty-four models in total, for an awesome Astra Militarum strike force!

Source

Games Workshop wrote:Known and rightly feared as the primary weapon of the Mont’ka, the Rapid Insertion Force infiltrates the battlefield with surprising grace, selecting critical targets and triggering homing beacons. Moments later, Crisis Teams airdrop in, using their jet packs to zone in on the painted co-ordinates. Marker lights from the soaring aerial fleet light up the targets below even as the weapons of the XV8 Crisis Battlesuits blaze away in unison - and the assigned XV104 Riptide Battlesuit adds an extra element of incredible firepower to the mix. This, then, is the killing blow.

This bundle contains everything necessary to field the Rapid Insertion Force, a Tau Empire formation found in War Zone Damocles: Mont’ka. You’ll receive an XV25 Stealth Team (three Battlesuits and a markerlight Drone), three XV8 Crisis Battlesuit Teams (nine Battlesuits and six accompanying Drones), and an imposing XV104 Riptide Battlesuit with two Drones of its own. Twenty-two examples of the might of the Greater Good!

Source

Yay, Guard get a new Formation!
And they've been reading my ideas, stealing Sentinels for it!

PLEASE NOTE:
These are not "boxed deals", and thus there is no savings. You are just getting the individual components.

**warboss**

Thanks for the links. I wonder if the drones are mandatory for the formation... I doubt it but you never know.

**casvalremdeikun**

Well, two confirmed formations. I hope there is a lot more for Imperial Guard. I would love to see stuff for Blood Angels as well, since there is that fancy new Chaplain coming out, but the Guard deserve some support.

**Kanluwen**

I told you people that the Rapid Insertion Force would be back.

**H.B.M.C.**

I prefer the misspelling in the original Apocalypse: Rapid Insertion Forced.

The Ghosts of the Webway formation (lots of Harlequins!) is also there on the NZ site, but the link is broken.

Plus LOADS of paint sets.

No book.