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 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 MechaEmperor7000 wrote:
I doubt they'd recut the genestealers, the warriors are in there prolly because they weren't selling well enough. Plus in the past few years we've had two genestealer-centric releases (Space Hulk and Deathstorm)

That is unless they're finally returning the Genestealer Cults.

*tinfoils on*

Isn't the current Genestealer kit quite old? Like older than the PREVIOUS Tactical Squad kit?

Who knows, maybe they will throw a bone at the Warriors and give them a 3+ Armor Save. It really blows that their rules are not that good, because they really are cool looking kits. If I were to start Tyranids, I would love to have an army with them as my Troops source. As of right now, I am fighting valiantly against the urge to buy the Tyranid set or the Tau set. I already caved and bought the Space Marine set. At $68, it was hard not to.

If the different Dataslates that come with these sets are good (and include all the rules to run the army like Deathstorm or Stormclaw did), it will be even harder.

I'd prefer giving Synapse back the Pseudo-EW it had in 4th edition (where only a rule with instant death can cause it to things under synapse, rather than just be double strength) it would make warriors a hell of a lot more useful since battle cannons doesn't gib them on contact, and they're not "Bug marines" or "Bug battlesuits".

Also the GS kit was released in 4th edition, but it's just as old as the Carnifex kit. The Gaunt kit is even older and both are newer than the last Tactical Squad kit I think.

what would a LOTD even have, they only have one unit.

HoundsofDemos wrote:
what would a LOTD even have, they only have one unit.

...but if the discount on the Skitarii box is any indication ($141 going for $85 - so about 60%), then you could package all 15 of the current LotD models ($139.25) for $85...but then what would be the point of buying the individual kits?

Man, I really want there to be a Space Wolf kit/ Marine kit that doesn't include tactical Marines

Wishing for a SM starter kit that doesn’t have tac marines is just one step shy of asking for a unicorn. I know we all have a zillion of them on the shelf, but they are the core of a marine army. Frankly I’d complain if an intro box didn’t have them.

If you are patient and can budget for the infrequent larger boxes, there is no reason to pick up a straight tac box. They get bundled with everything eventually, so if you just grab the battleforces/stikeforces/starter boxes, you will eventually get more then you ever need. At a discount.

A tactical Marine box can be turned into any power armor unit in the codex. Don't like tacticals, make them sternguard, devastators, honor guard, etc.

Imagine the whining if the Space Marine box had included Scouts instead of Tactical Marines.

I might have bought it then actually, I have little need for the captain but I've been wanting a new dread and I love the scout model.

Me too. Scouts are awesome now.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Imagine the whining if the Space Marine box had included Scouts instead of Tactical Marines.

Context would be important. It might be fun to see a “Minimum CAD tax box” Librarian, 5 sniper scouts, 5 Bolter scouts, and a LSS would be roughly equivalent to the other boxes. Or a 10th company TF box with a 3 man scout bike instead of the librarian.

Scouts, while less useful from a modeling POV (tac marines, as mentioned above, are a quick swap from a lot of options in the codex) are very useful in list building. And show up in a lot of different formations.

I know they have shown up alongside tacs in a number of boxes, but never instead of them IIRC.

I'm going to have so many useless ethereals on hover drones...

The Tau set is phenomenal, and some retailers are managing to sell them even cheaper than £50!

£40 for 3x crisis, 10x fire warriors, the crappy ethereal AND all the drones is a bargain I can't refuse after Xmas!

If you get a 10% discount on the Tau box, you're basically buying the battlesuits and get the rest free. If you're getting any sort of discount bigger than that, you're effectively getting a discounted box of Battlesuits AND everything free.

is it any wonder the preorders sold out?

Skitarii bix is similar. Where I'm buying it from, I'm essentially just buying the onager and getting the rangers/techpriest free

Which is why i pre ordered it, icing on the cake is the formation letting me use all three without having buy anything else. I get my marines an awesome back up HQ, a good troop unit and a walker that is probably one of the best skyfire for the imperium.

my friend was out of warhammer for 2 years.

I showed him the Skitarii box and now he's totally out of christmas monies.

Those are nice discounts. Almost reminds me of when you could get a box of 40 Marines for $20.

Our nickels also had pictures of bees on them back in the heady days of 1988.

Just pre-ordered The Tau and Nurgle sets from Element games for £40 each.

Alleged Formation bonuses ;
SM
Each turn a single unit of the formation within 12" of the captain can shoot in the movement phase instead of moving. It can still shoot again in the shooting phase.

Skitarii
At the start of the shooting phase select a unit within 18" of the Dominus. You reroll to hit against it.

Tyranids
In the movement phase the gargoyles if they are near the Tyrant can enter reserve and immediately deep strike on the board. If they arrive near the warriors they don't scatter.

Necrons
When the warriors or the scarab are destroyed they return alive at the start of your next turn within 5" of the Overlord.

Tau
A unit from this Formation near the Ethereal can redeploy. Select the unit to redeploy before the game starts.

Imperial Guard
All infantry model of the formation near the Leman Russ have a 4+ cover.

I like the Marine one...

 Matthew wrote:
I like the Marine one...

Me too. Use Imperial Fists Chapter Tactics. Fire all the bolters.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Matthew wrote:
I like the Marine one...

Me too. Use Imperial Fists Chapter Tactics. Fire all the bolters.

So each Tactical Marine would be firing 4 twin linked shots per turn? YES

 Matthew wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Matthew wrote:
I like the Marine one...

Me too. Use Imperial Fists Chapter Tactics. Fire all the bolters.

So each Tactical Marine would be firing 4 twin linked shots per turn? YES

Not exactly, but close enough. They have to be in Rapid Fire range to do it, and are only rerolling ones. If you use Sentinels of Terra, they are TL at Rapid Fire Range.

One other thing to keep in mind. If you leave the Dreadnought stationary, he can fire off his weapons twice. If you give him a pair of TL Autocannons or a Missile Launcher and TL Lascannon, he suddenly becomes quite potent.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Matthew wrote:
I like the Marine one...

Me too. Use Imperial Fists Chapter Tactics. Fire all the bolters.

Pft.

Raptors Chapter Tactics. Fire Boltguns, as normal, in the Movement phase.
Fire the Boltguns as Heavy 1 Rending.

It's a formation, right? And I can take a formation as allies?

 Matthew wrote:
It's a formation, right? And I can take a formation as allies?

Generally yes.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Matthew wrote:
I like the Marine one...

Me too. Use Imperial Fists Chapter Tactics. Fire all the bolters.

Pft.

Raptors Chapter Tactics. Fire Boltguns, as normal, in the Movement phase.
Fire the Boltguns as Heavy 1 Rending.

That is very nice too. Ten rending shots is pretty scary. Can Raptor Tactics affect the Dreadnought Storm Bolter?

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
That is very nice too. Ten rending shots is pretty scary. Can Raptor Tactics affect the Dreadnought Storm Bolter?

Raptor’s marksmanship only affects bolters (including c-bolters fired as such) and bolt pistols.

Last I checked anyway. So the dread can’t get any weapons that benefit from the rule.

Hmm. Thought, no idea if it works. How do hurricane bolters fit? They fire like 3 TL’d bolters. So (whole bunch of “ifs” here) if they work, and if the formation allows any type of dread, then you could have a rending, doubleshotting ironclad. Niche case, but could be fun.

 Nevelon wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
That is very nice too. Ten rending shots is pretty scary. Can Raptor Tactics affect the Dreadnought Storm Bolter?

Raptor’s marksmanship only affects bolters (including c-bolters fired as such) and bolt pistols.

Last I checked anyway. So the dread can’t get any weapons that benefit from the rule.

Hmm. Thought, no idea if it works. How do hurricane bolters fit? They fire like 3 TL’d bolters. So (whole bunch of “ifs” here) if they work, and if the formation allows any type of dread, then you could have a rending, doubleshotting ironclad. Niche case, but could be fun.

You are correct in the Storm Bolter. I would not count the Hurricane Bolter. Yes, it is three twin-linked bolters, but it is still its own weapon overall.

 Matthew wrote:
It's a formation, right? And I can take a formation as allies?

You can run an army consisting of formations.
The problem is that formations usually don't have objective secured.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
That is very nice too. Ten rending shots is pretty scary. Can Raptor Tactics affect the Dreadnought Storm Bolter?

Raptor’s marksmanship only affects bolters (including c-bolters fired as such) and bolt pistols.

Last I checked anyway. So the dread can’t get any weapons that benefit from the rule.

Hmm. Thought, no idea if it works. How do hurricane bolters fit? They fire like 3 TL’d bolters. So (whole bunch of “ifs” here) if they work, and if the formation allows any type of dread, then you could have a rending, doubleshotting ironclad. Niche case, but could be fun.

You are correct in the Storm Bolter. I would not count the Hurricane Bolter. Yes, it is three twin-linked bolters, but it is still its own weapon overall.

Hurricane bolters are 3 bolt guns. When this question came up concerning the dark angels banner of devistation(turned bolt guns in 12 inches into Salvo 2/4), it was faqed to include all bolt guns, including combi bolters and hurricane bolters.