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hobojebus wrote:
Ashes of Prospero was the book, they had storm birds, spartans, masterdons and sicaren venerators everything they had during the hh.

As for cloning sure they could but they won't then know the culture, and without the death world conditions and raiding culture would not have the skills and hardiness of a fenrisian.

There's a reason space marines don't recruit from hive world's very often, to survive the transformation you need to be able to handle extreme adversity.

Ta - so the gear was abandoned on the surface and had been preserved?

Thought hive world gangers would be fine Actually recruits seem to come from all over - from the Ultramar Olympics to the mutants of Baal.

Did I misread something in the Gathering Storm books?

From what I recall the Primaris Program was similar to how the Deathwatch are now. Didn't Cawl draw normal Marines (or at least the geneseed) from all 18 Legions, upgrade them to Primaris and put them in stasis until Roboute returned. Granted some were thawed every once in a while to further train/check their status. And he supposedly still has a stash of the 9 Traitor Legions that Roboute forbids Cawl from releasing.

Even in the novel fluff, the one Primaris SW laments the fact that he isn't returning to Fenris when he is chosen to start the Wolfspear Chapter.

The_Real_Chris wrote:

hobojebus wrote:
Ashes of Prospero was the book, they had storm birds, spartans, masterdons and sicaren venerators everything they had during the hh.

As for cloning sure they could but they won't then know the culture, and without the death world conditions and raiding culture would not have the skills and hardiness of a fenrisian.

There's a reason space marines don't recruit from hive world's very often, to survive the transformation you need to be able to handle extreme adversity.

Ta - so the gear was abandoned on the surface and had been preserved?

Thought hive world gangers would be fine Actually recruits seem to come from all over - from the Ultramar Olympics to the mutants of Baal.

No the 13th Company was still using it.

pm713 wrote:

The_Real_Chris wrote:

hobojebus wrote:
Ashes of Prospero was the book, they had storm birds, spartans, masterdons and sicaren venerators everything they had during the hh.

As for cloning sure they could but they won't then know the culture, and without the death world conditions and raiding culture would not have the skills and hardiness of a fenrisian.

There's a reason space marines don't recruit from hive world's very often, to survive the transformation you need to be able to handle extreme adversity.

Ta - so the gear was abandoned on the surface and had been preserved?

Thought hive world gangers would be fine Actually recruits seem to come from all over - from the Ultramar Olympics to the mutants of Baal.

No the 13th Company was still using it.

Yeah they were still inside Prospero's portal system for them very little time had passed, when njal finds them they are under attack from silver towers on a bridge.

After that they travel to find the yarl of Dec Tra in a Spartan which really impresses the modern wolves, one of the heresy vlka jokes that if they think this is good wait till they see the masterdon.

So with the wulfen and the 13th returned the wolves emerge one of the bigger chapters unless the codex says different, given great armies back then were several thousand strong.

hobojebus wrote:

pm713 wrote:

The_Real_Chris wrote:

hobojebus wrote:
Ashes of Prospero was the book, they had storm birds, spartans, masterdons and sicaren venerators everything they had during the hh.

As for cloning sure they could but they won't then know the culture, and without the death world conditions and raiding culture would not have the skills and hardiness of a fenrisian.

There's a reason space marines don't recruit from hive world's very often, to survive the transformation you need to be able to handle extreme adversity.

Ta - so the gear was abandoned on the surface and had been preserved?

Thought hive world gangers would be fine Actually recruits seem to come from all over - from the Ultramar Olympics to the mutants of Baal.

No the 13th Company was still using it.

Yeah they were still inside Prospero's portal system for them very little time had passed, when njal finds them they are under attack from silver towers on a bridge.

After that they travel to find the yarl of Dec Tra in a Spartan which really impresses the modern wolves, one of the heresy vlka jokes that if they think this is good wait till they see the masterdon.

So with the wulfen and the 13th returned the wolves emerge one of the bigger chapters unless the codex says different, given great armies back then were several thousand strong.

except that the 13th company they found was just a fraction. of the sizeI expect if the 13th great company is mentioned in the codex it'll be maybe 200 odd strong.

Space Wolves are typically 1500-2000 strong, and I expect them to still be struggling to replenish their post fenris ranks, and all too ready to plug the holes with Primaris Marines.

fun thought, what if the primaris are the sub chapter we have always wanted, and NEVER tried before in a way that went really terribly. Also what if Russ is the one leading them from behind the warp way?