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 Dakka Wolf wrote:
The Space Wolves have had stories about Wolf Priests coming close to untying the Canis Helix, would any of them suggest sending the Primaris Marines they actually recieved out to see if Terran Space Wolves can find new populations that they aren't bound to the way the Space Wolves are leashed to Fenris?

That was 9000 years ago none have tried since and only Bjorn still lives from that time.

This is Emperor level tech. It can definitely be made to work. All chapters must Gene Tithe, so the IoM has a copy of the Canis Helix on file. I think the real issue is would the SWs accept them. Unless Bobby G bent over backwards diplomatically to make it happen I doubt. I could see it one way. Big Bobby shows up with a couple hundred genetically certified Space wolves and says take them or orphan them. Cutting them loose without wolf priest training to deal with the curse of the wulfen would be like driving your illegitimate sons from your house into the snow. Which is also a very Fenrisian thing to do. So...id say it's more likely they would take them than not, but by slim margins. And I'd say yeah, The Great Wolf would definitively bust them down to blood claws.

Primaris, "I'm a lieutenant. Uncle Bobby said it was ok"
Logan Grimnar, "Gimme her fancy crap. That stuff goes to Grey hunter that's proved himself. You get a bolt pistol and a jump pack. If you really are bad @$$ you'll get your shiny toys back when Padre Ulric says so."

I think they could easily spin it so that at first (since this was a while ago in the current timeline) the little wolves were distrustful of the plus sized "wolves" and sent them on a series of difficult to impossible missions that they managed to survive through due to their enemies not having any weapons with 2 damage.

The primaris marines that survived this initiation process were slowly included by the other wolves, and as the older wolves started going through the primaris process, the lines blurred and everything normalized.

My issue is going to be more with how good they are on the tabletop, since the typical primaris units are about as unwolfy in the way they play as you get.

hobojebus wrote:

 Dakka Wolf wrote:
The Space Wolves have had stories about Wolf Priests coming close to untying the Canis Helix, would any of them suggest sending the Primaris Marines they actually recieved out to see if Terran Space Wolves can find new populations that they aren't bound to the way the Space Wolves are leashed to Fenris?

That was 9000 years ago none have tried since and only Bjorn still lives from that time.

There's also the bigger issue of all the equipment got smashed up, there isn't any more and Bjorn was against the idea. Know who'll argue with Bjorn? Nobody because he's a giant Dreadnought.

 Crimson wrote:
Why are people still behaving like the Primaris are brand new? It has been over a century since Gathering Storm, and chapters have had the tech to make their own Primaris Marines for a century. At this point all marines who are about hundred years old or younger are Primaris. There has been plenty of time for the first Primaris marines to make into the higher ranks.

If the Wolves retain their old training practices, one could imagine that the new recruits first become some sort of assault type marines, so 'Blood Claws' are probably Reivers, while more experienced marines will become 'Grey Hunter' Intercessors. Hellblasters are the Long Fang equivalent. I am not to sure about Inceptors and Aggressors.

Here's my take:

Primaris Space Wolves start off at Reivers. They are a Troops choice, have a 4+ BS & WS, and no access to Grave Chutes or Grapnel Launchers.

They then graduate to Primaris Hunters. These are standard Intercessors, so their Troops also, but with a Wolfy twist. For every 10 models in the unit, one may be equipped with a Plasma Incinerator. Also, the squad my be lead by a Primaris Wolf Guard (read that Primaris Aggressor). This will make Primaris Hunters an interesting mixed unit, and the solid core

From there Space Wolf Primaris Marines can "gaduate" to either Heavy Support Primaris Fangs (Hellblasters who only have access to Heavy Plasma Incinerators) or Fast Attack Primaris Claws (Inceptors).

Veteran Space Wolf Primaris marines will be an Elite choice, standard Agresors, and have the option of being Loan Wolves.

I'd like to see another option as an Elites choice, like standard Intercessors with Grav Chutes. Or better yet Infiltrate.

pm713 wrote:

hobojebus wrote:

 Dakka Wolf wrote:
The Space Wolves have had stories about Wolf Priests coming close to untying the Canis Helix, would any of them suggest sending the Primaris Marines they actually recieved out to see if Terran Space Wolves can find new populations that they aren't bound to the way the Space Wolves are leashed to Fenris?

That was 9000 years ago none have tried since and only Bjorn still lives from that time.

There's also the bigger issue of all the equipment got smashed up, there isn't any more and Bjorn was against the idea. Know who'll argue with Bjorn? Nobody because he's a giant Dreadnought.

Bjorn was against stuffing with the Helix itself, Bjorn knows Russ wanted Space Wolves on more worlds than just Fenris.

Can we do a quick once over on the colors of a Space Wolf's shoulder pads depending on his squad?

Bloodclaws
Grey Hunters
Skyclaws
Longfangs
Wolf Guard


It's:

Red
Yellow
?
White
Black



Right?

Blood Claws: Red and Yellow
Grey Hunters: Red and Black
Long Fangs: Black and White
Wolf Guard: Black and Yellow

Skyclaws? Or do they count as Bloodclaws?

phydaux wrote:
Skyclaws? Or do they count as Bloodclaws?

Skyclaws are blood claws given jump packs so presumably

The kids nowadays apparently can't paint pack markings with 2 colors so GW included lots of pics with mono-colored pads. But BrianDavion is correct, it should be 2 colors. Wulfen are red and white. Scouts I can't really remember, maybe armor color + black.

Sky and Swift Claws are just Blood Claws with gear.

 Dakka Wolf wrote:

pm713 wrote:

hobojebus wrote:

 Dakka Wolf wrote:
The Space Wolves have had stories about Wolf Priests coming close to untying the Canis Helix, would any of them suggest sending the Primaris Marines they actually recieved out to see if Terran Space Wolves can find new populations that they aren't bound to the way the Space Wolves are leashed to Fenris?

That was 9000 years ago none have tried since and only Bjorn still lives from that time.

There's also the bigger issue of all the equipment got smashed up, there isn't any more and Bjorn was against the idea. Know who'll argue with Bjorn? Nobody because he's a giant Dreadnought.

Bjorn was against stuffing with the Helix itself, Bjorn knows Russ wanted Space Wolves on more worlds than just Fenris.

That's a bit moot seeing as you have to fiddle with the Helix to get the more worlds part.

BrianDavion wrote:

phydaux wrote:
Skyclaws? Or do they count as Bloodclaws?

Skyclaws are blood claws given jump packs so presumably

Does anyone else think it's weird that Grey Hunters shoulder pads are red while Bloodclaws shoulder pads are yellow? Shouldn't Bloodclaws shoulder pads be red?

Would people be pissed if I painted my Bloodclaws with red pads and my Hunters with yellow pads just because I think it makes more sense?

'Cause i'm doing that.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
I bought the Space Marines figures out of the Dark Imperium box set. I plan to paint them up as Space Wolves and give them a go the more I'm convinced I will have an utterly uncompetitive army.

I'm making my shopping list now from the classic Marines line to make my REAL Space Wolves army.

phydaux wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

phydaux wrote:
Skyclaws? Or do they count as Bloodclaws?

Skyclaws are blood claws given jump packs so presumably

Does anyone else think it's weird that Grey Hunters shoulder pads are red while Bloodclaws shoulder pads are yellow? Shouldn't Bloodclaws shoulder pads be red?

Would people be pissed if I painted my Bloodclaws with red pads and my Hunters with yellow pads just because I think it makes more sense?

'Cause i'm doing that.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
I bought the Space Marines figures out of the Dark Imperium box set. I plan to paint them up as Space Wolves and give them a go the more I'm convinced I will have an utterly uncompetitive army.

I'm making my shopping list now from the classic Marines line to make my REAL Space Wolves army.

paint the shoulders how you want. the codex says those are just examples. you could do em pink with green polkadots.

just make sure people can tell the diff at a galance

I use the heads to distinguish between units. Blood Claws have bare heads and orange hair, Grey Hunters wear helmets, Wolf Guard go bare headed with grey or brown hear and other units are shown by their weaponry.

pm713 wrote:

 Dakka Wolf wrote:

pm713 wrote:

hobojebus wrote:

 Dakka Wolf wrote:
The Space Wolves have had stories about Wolf Priests coming close to untying the Canis Helix, would any of them suggest sending the Primaris Marines they actually recieved out to see if Terran Space Wolves can find new populations that they aren't bound to the way the Space Wolves are leashed to Fenris?

That was 9000 years ago none have tried since and only Bjorn still lives from that time.

There's also the bigger issue of all the equipment got smashed up, there isn't any more and Bjorn was against the idea. Know who'll argue with Bjorn? Nobody because he's a giant Dreadnought.

Bjorn was against stuffing with the Helix itself, Bjorn knows Russ wanted Space Wolves on more worlds than just Fenris.

That's a bit moot seeing as you have to fiddle with the Helix to get the more worlds part.

Cawl has already done it.
The Primaris Marines are Space Wolves with no connection to Fenris.

 Dakka Wolf wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 Dakka Wolf wrote:

pm713 wrote:

hobojebus wrote:

 Dakka Wolf wrote:
The Space Wolves have had stories about Wolf Priests coming close to untying the Canis Helix, would any of them suggest sending the Primaris Marines they actually recieved out to see if Terran Space Wolves can find new populations that they aren't bound to the way the Space Wolves are leashed to Fenris?

That was 9000 years ago none have tried since and only Bjorn still lives from that time.

There's also the bigger issue of all the equipment got smashed up, there isn't any more and Bjorn was against the idea. Know who'll argue with Bjorn? Nobody because he's a giant Dreadnought.

Bjorn was against stuffing with the Helix itself, Bjorn knows Russ wanted Space Wolves on more worlds than just Fenris.

That's a bit moot seeing as you have to fiddle with the Helix to get the more worlds part.

Cawl has already done it.
The Primaris Marines are Space Wolves with no connection to Fenris.

not quite, the space wolf priamris Marines are all from Fenris. (aspirants shuffled to the Primaris Project.. which begs the question, did the other Primarchs know about the Primaris project? It'd be a VERY intreasting development if it turns out the project was initated by all the surviving loyalist primarchs) we've not yet seen a specific example of a space wolf primaris whom ISN'T from Fenris.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Dakka Wolf wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 Dakka Wolf wrote:

pm713 wrote:

hobojebus wrote:

 Dakka Wolf wrote:
The Space Wolves have had stories about Wolf Priests coming close to untying the Canis Helix, would any of them suggest sending the Primaris Marines they actually recieved out to see if Terran Space Wolves can find new populations that they aren't bound to the way the Space Wolves are leashed to Fenris?

That was 9000 years ago none have tried since and only Bjorn still lives from that time.

There's also the bigger issue of all the equipment got smashed up, there isn't any more and Bjorn was against the idea. Know who'll argue with Bjorn? Nobody because he's a giant Dreadnought.

Bjorn was against stuffing with the Helix itself, Bjorn knows Russ wanted Space Wolves on more worlds than just Fenris.

That's a bit moot seeing as you have to fiddle with the Helix to get the more worlds part.

Cawl has already done it.
The Primaris Marines are Space Wolves with no connection to Fenris.

not quite, the space wolf priamris Marines are all from Fenris. (aspirants shuffled to the Primaris Project.. which begs the question, did the other Primarchs know about the Primaris project? It'd be a VERY intreasting development if it turns out the project was initated by all the surviving loyalist primarchs) we've not yet seen a specific example of a space wolf primaris whom ISN'T from Fenris.

How are they all from Fenris? If you're right about that either Cawl has a breeding supply of Fenrisians or they've retconned how gene-seeds are farmed because farming gene-seeds involves sacrificing people, nine thousand years of gene-seed farming used to mean a pyramid scheme of sacrificed humans.

 Dakka Wolf wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Dakka Wolf wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 Dakka Wolf wrote:

pm713 wrote:

hobojebus wrote:

 Dakka Wolf wrote:
The Space Wolves have had stories about Wolf Priests coming close to untying the Canis Helix, would any of them suggest sending the Primaris Marines they actually recieved out to see if Terran Space Wolves can find new populations that they aren't bound to the way the Space Wolves are leashed to Fenris?

That was 9000 years ago none have tried since and only Bjorn still lives from that time.

There's also the bigger issue of all the equipment got smashed up, there isn't any more and Bjorn was against the idea. Know who'll argue with Bjorn? Nobody because he's a giant Dreadnought.

Bjorn was against stuffing with the Helix itself, Bjorn knows Russ wanted Space Wolves on more worlds than just Fenris.

That's a bit moot seeing as you have to fiddle with the Helix to get the more worlds part.

Cawl has already done it.
The Primaris Marines are Space Wolves with no connection to Fenris.

not quite, the space wolf priamris Marines are all from Fenris. (aspirants shuffled to the Primaris Project.. which begs the question, did the other Primarchs know about the Primaris project? It'd be a VERY intreasting development if it turns out the project was initated by all the surviving loyalist primarchs) we've not yet seen a specific example of a space wolf primaris whom ISN'T from Fenris.

How are they all from Fenris? If you're right about that either Cawl has a breeding supply of Fenrisians or they've retconned how gene-seeds are farmed because farming gene-seeds involves sacrificing people, nine thousand years of gene-seed farming used to mean a pyramid scheme of sacrificed humans.

the Primaris Marines have spent most of their time in stasis, most date back from around the Heresy era.

Somehow I doubt the Wolves and Blood Angels would be in that majority, those inheritance flaws that Cawl claims to have stabilised would require some serious work.
Maybe I'm just over-thinking it.

Well in the books the wolf primaris is 100% from the hh era and fenrisian.

And I've read nothing to say they've solved the dependency on fenris for recruits.

phydaux wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

phydaux wrote:
Skyclaws? Or do they count as Bloodclaws?

Skyclaws are blood claws given jump packs so presumably

Does anyone else think it's weird that Grey Hunters shoulder pads are red while Bloodclaws shoulder pads are yellow? Shouldn't Bloodclaws shoulder pads be red?

Would people be pissed if I painted my Bloodclaws with red pads and my Hunters with yellow pads just because I think it makes more sense?

'Cause i'm doing that.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
I bought the Space Marines figures out of the Dark Imperium box set. I plan to paint them up as Space Wolves and give them a go the more I'm convinced I will have an utterly uncompetitive army.

I'm making my shopping list now from the classic Marines line to make my REAL Space Wolves army.

As already posted a bit above, the shoulderpads are actually supposed bi-colored. Yellow-red for Bloodclaws. red-black for Grey Hunters. The single-colored versions are GWs bone to the painting-challenged

Yeah not everyone will feel confident about doing a free hand design that has to match nine or so other models and may prefer using transfers.

But I feel it's worth the effort to do it on my guys.

 Dakka Wolf wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Dakka Wolf wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 Dakka Wolf wrote:

pm713 wrote:

hobojebus wrote:

 Dakka Wolf wrote:
The Space Wolves have had stories about Wolf Priests coming close to untying the Canis Helix, would any of them suggest sending the Primaris Marines they actually recieved out to see if Terran Space Wolves can find new populations that they aren't bound to the way the Space Wolves are leashed to Fenris?

That was 9000 years ago none have tried since and only Bjorn still lives from that time.

There's also the bigger issue of all the equipment got smashed up, there isn't any more and Bjorn was against the idea. Know who'll argue with Bjorn? Nobody because he's a giant Dreadnought.

Bjorn was against stuffing with the Helix itself, Bjorn knows Russ wanted Space Wolves on more worlds than just Fenris.

That's a bit moot seeing as you have to fiddle with the Helix to get the more worlds part.

Cawl has already done it.
The Primaris Marines are Space Wolves with no connection to Fenris.

not quite, the space wolf priamris Marines are all from Fenris. (aspirants shuffled to the Primaris Project.. which begs the question, did the other Primarchs know about the Primaris project? It'd be a VERY intreasting development if it turns out the project was initated by all the surviving loyalist primarchs) we've not yet seen a specific example of a space wolf primaris whom ISN'T from Fenris.

How are they all from Fenris? If you're right about that either Cawl has a breeding supply of Fenrisians or they've retconned how gene-seeds are farmed because farming gene-seeds involves sacrificing people, nine thousand years of gene-seed farming used to mean a pyramid scheme of sacrificed humans.

You don't need to sacrifice anyone to get gene-seed though. You take it from existing Marines or pinch it from the Mechanicum stockpiles.

You can take the one from the throat once it's matured but the other needs to stay until death.

But as you can't make wolves out of anything but fenrisians there's no need to take as much as you would for other chapters because you can't use them in a new founding.

You'd take seed for purity tests and store enough to perhaps reconstitute them if wiped out but the majority would stay in the fangs vaults.

Ragnar69 wrote:

phydaux wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

phydaux wrote:
Skyclaws? Or do they count as Bloodclaws?

Skyclaws are blood claws given jump packs so presumably

Does anyone else think it's weird that Grey Hunters shoulder pads are red while Bloodclaws shoulder pads are yellow? Shouldn't Bloodclaws shoulder pads be red?

Would people be pissed if I painted my Bloodclaws with red pads and my Hunters with yellow pads just because I think it makes more sense?

'Cause i'm doing that.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
I bought the Space Marines figures out of the Dark Imperium box set. I plan to paint them up as Space Wolves and give them a go the more I'm convinced I will have an utterly uncompetitive army.

I'm making my shopping list now from the classic Marines line to make my REAL Space Wolves army.

As already posted a bit above, the shoulderpads are actually supposed bi-colored. Yellow-red for Bloodclaws. red-black for Grey Hunters. The single-colored versions are GWs bone to the painting-challenged

Yellow with red piping? Red with black piping? What about 'Fangs & 'Guard?

hobojebus wrote:
Yeah not everyone will feel confident about doing a free hand design that has to match nine or so other models and may prefer using transfers.

But I feel it's worth the effort to do it on my guys.

I'm proably on mine going to do a simple rune set up, it should be erasy to free hand

phydaux wrote:

Ragnar69 wrote:

phydaux wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

phydaux wrote:
Skyclaws? Or do they count as Bloodclaws?

Skyclaws are blood claws given jump packs so presumably

Does anyone else think it's weird that Grey Hunters shoulder pads are red while Bloodclaws shoulder pads are yellow? Shouldn't Bloodclaws shoulder pads be red?

Would people be pissed if I painted my Bloodclaws with red pads and my Hunters with yellow pads just because I think it makes more sense?

'Cause i'm doing that.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
I bought the Space Marines figures out of the Dark Imperium box set. I plan to paint them up as Space Wolves and give them a go the more I'm convinced I will have an utterly uncompetitive army.

I'm making my shopping list now from the classic Marines line to make my REAL Space Wolves army.

As already posted a bit above, the shoulderpads are actually supposed bi-colored. Yellow-red for Bloodclaws. red-black for Grey Hunters. The single-colored versions are GWs bone to the painting-challenged

Yellow with red piping? Red with black piping? What about 'Fangs & 'Guard?

Black & white and black&yellow
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/66/93/4b/66934bf3cfaadff3d26db9fb158396d0.jpg

hobojebus wrote:
Fyi they recovered the 13th from Prospero in a recent book along with their heresy era vehicles.

Really which book? Why was all their gear there?

 Crimson wrote:
Sure, if they want to be stupid (which in 40K is of course perfectly possible.) But it makes no sense to keep producing the inferior model when the upgrade is available.

The equipment point is a good one. As primaris have fixed spines and can't bend to get into Land Raiders they are a remarkably static force useless for anything but drops or garrisons. They also explode if forced to pick up a flamer or missile launcher. Until this is resolved they will have to be a secondary unit.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
Of course, after Magnus' efforts, the Wolves have other issues with recruitment, but that's a different story.

Really? What happened?

Mleander wrote:
I don't see Space Wolves just accepting those new ranks just because Guilliman say "here you go, these are your new toys". They will have to start as BCs, hence rendering the new ranks irrelevant to the Space Wolves and in my eyes impossible to incorporate in the chapter.

Or am I over thinking it?

True - as a non codex chapter why would they accept the latest attempt by Lord Smurf to make them compliant? I get why they wouldn't add them to existing packs - you come up with the same pack you joined when you were a blood claw. But the Primaris would have been used and re-organised multiple times in line with codex practices, so they wouldn't have that pack team work from creation.

hobojebus wrote:
You can take the one from the throat once it's matured but the other needs to stay until death.

But as you can't make wolves out of anything but fenrisians there's no need to take as much as you would for other chapters because you can't use them in a new founding.

You'd take seed for purity tests and store enough to perhaps reconstitute them if wiped out but the majority would stay in the fangs vaults.

Well can't you have a captive breeding/cloning programme for Fenrisians?

 Dakka Wolf wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
well we now know the name of a space wolf primaris sucessor chapter. The Wolfspear.

Ugh.
I knew this was coming.

I feel ID4Chan covers this well...

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Bjorn_the_Fell_Handed#Tales_of_Bjorn

Note the 8th edition entry

Ashes of Prospero was the book, they had storm birds, spartans, masterdons and sicaren venerators everything they had during the hh.

As for cloning sure they could but they won't then know the culture, and without the death world conditions and raiding culture would not have the skills and hardiness of a fenrisian.

There's a reason space marines don't recruit from hive world's very often, to survive the transformation you need to be able to handle extreme adversity.