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 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 trexmeyer wrote:
Why can't people accept that America needs both stronger gun control laws, needs to investigate possible shooters seriously, and needs to address the toxic culture that is creating these monsters? They are repeatedly misogynistic and mentally ill. Can no one see a pattern here that needs to be addressed?

shhh. . . quit trying to ban all guns!!!!

I don't know what's worse, people who actually believe that or those on the other side who act as if a human of a very specific type is responsible type is not responsible for these shootings. Where were the school shootings 30-40 years ago? What has changed in American culture that is producing these individuals?

I think the proliferation of violent pornography, the constant hypersexualization of women, increasing levels of disrespect at all levels of society, and now internet echo chambers where incels gather and rant about how much they hate woman while idolizing other school shooters MIGHT be a factor.

Sensational infotainment news media... and SOCIAL MEDIA is what's different imo.

 trexmeyer wrote:

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 trexmeyer wrote:
Why can't people accept that America needs both stronger gun control laws, needs to investigate possible shooters seriously, and needs to address the toxic culture that is creating these monsters? They are repeatedly misogynistic and mentally ill. Can no one see a pattern here that needs to be addressed?

shhh. . . quit trying to ban all guns!!!!

I don't know what's worse, people who actually believe that or those on the other side who act as if a human of a very specific type is responsible type is not responsible for these shootings. Where were the school shootings 30-40 years ago? What has changed in American culture that is producing these individuals?

I think the proliferation of violent pornography, the constant hypersexualization of women, increasing levels of disrespect at all levels of society, and now internet echo chambers where incels gather and rant about how much they hate woman while idolizing other school shooters MIGHT be a factor.

School shootings 30-40 years ago? Oh yes. In fact the belief that "millions of kids carry guns to school daily" is why something had to be done. The result was the zero gun policy's and the national school gun safety zones. Guess what, school shootings declined, and are still fewer today then before 1990. However, that same policy planted the idea that firearms in schools was something so evil, so traumatic, that the ultimate screw you society was not the suiside solution, but the mass murder of of the people around you. They were taught what power was. Point you finger like a gun playing army in kindergarten? get the cops called and suspended from school, scary stuff. Kids learn fast, only maybe not the lesson they were supposed to learn.

 trexmeyer wrote:

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 trexmeyer wrote:
Why can't people accept that America needs both stronger gun control laws, needs to investigate possible shooters seriously, and needs to address the toxic culture that is creating these monsters? They are repeatedly misogynistic and mentally ill. Can no one see a pattern here that needs to be addressed?

shhh. . . quit trying to ban all guns!!!!

I don't know what's worse, people who actually believe that or those on the other side who act as if a human of a very specific type is responsible type is not responsible for these shootings. Where were the school shootings 30-40 years ago? What has changed in American culture that is producing these individuals?

I think the proliferation of violent pornography, the constant hypersexualization of women, increasing levels of disrespect at all levels of society, and now internet echo chambers where incels gather and rant about how much they hate woman while idolizing other school shooters MIGHT be a factor.

Jesus donkey-cave Christ so many damned buzzwords these days I cannot keep up. What in blazes is an "incel?"

Maybe that is the problem, the modern society is far to easily putting dozens upon dozens of labels upon people. Stripping them of their humanity and leaving them nothing more than a husk, angry, empty and acting out.

You say "violent porn" but the last time I checked pornhub, the most search garbage was that gakky fake incest crap. So much so they even have a filter to hide it. Though, to be clear I'm not saying it's not out there. But is it as accessible as people think it is? IDK.

 Togusa wrote:

Jesus donkey-cave Christ so many damned buzzwords these days I cannot keep up. What in blazes is an "incel?"

"Involuntarily Celibate".

Guys who can't get laid but are convinced they have some fundamental right to.

So is this a joke, fake news or a labeling error? This has to be one of those... right?

yes.

https://www.tesco.com/direct/kitchencraft-professional-eleven-wire-balloon-whisk-30-cm/394-9214.prd?skuId=394-9214

there is no age restrictions on whisks in the UK.

Again these are the age restricted items in the UK


http://www.haringey.gov.uk/business/licensing-and-regulations/trading-standards/trading-standards-age-restricted-sales#weapons

You can do a lot of damage with a professional chef's whisk, against unarmoured opponents.

A Danish style dough hook is another nifty H2H weapon.

If guns and bombs were banned you would have to ban baking too.

Is this where we landed in this thread? May 2018, causes of mass shootings:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
If guns and bombs were banned you would have to ban baking too.

The only thing that stops a bad guy with a rolling pin is a good guy with a rolling pin.

 Togusa wrote:

 trexmeyer wrote:

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 trexmeyer wrote:
Why can't people accept that America needs both stronger gun control laws, needs to investigate possible shooters seriously, and needs to address the toxic culture that is creating these monsters? They are repeatedly misogynistic and mentally ill. Can no one see a pattern here that needs to be addressed?

shhh. . . quit trying to ban all guns!!!!

I don't know what's worse, people who actually believe that or those on the other side who act as if a human of a very specific type is responsible type is not responsible for these shootings. Where were the school shootings 30-40 years ago? What has changed in American culture that is producing these individuals?

I think the proliferation of violent pornography, the constant hypersexualization of women, increasing levels of disrespect at all levels of society, and now internet echo chambers where incels gather and rant about how much they hate woman while idolizing other school shooters MIGHT be a factor.

Jesus donkey-cave Christ so many damned buzzwords these days I cannot keep up. What in blazes is an "incel?"

Maybe that is the problem, the modern society is far to easily putting dozens upon dozens of labels upon people. Stripping them of their humanity and leaving them nothing more than a husk, angry, empty and acting out.

You say "violent porn" but the last time I checked pornhub, the most search garbage was that gakky fake incest crap. So much so they even have a filter to hide it. Though, to be clear I'm not saying it's not out there. But is it as accessible as people think it is? IDK.

Normally I would tell somebody to look it up. But do NOT under any circumstances go to the incel subreddit or any of the forums. It is one of the most infuriating things you can ever see and you will get in to an argument with somebody and probably be very disappointed in humanity and yourself afterwards. Just save yourself the trouble.

 Dreadwinter wrote:

 Togusa wrote:

 trexmeyer wrote:

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 trexmeyer wrote:
Why can't people accept that America needs both stronger gun control laws, needs to investigate possible shooters seriously, and needs to address the toxic culture that is creating these monsters? They are repeatedly misogynistic and mentally ill. Can no one see a pattern here that needs to be addressed?

shhh. . . quit trying to ban all guns!!!!

I don't know what's worse, people who actually believe that or those on the other side who act as if a human of a very specific type is responsible type is not responsible for these shootings. Where were the school shootings 30-40 years ago? What has changed in American culture that is producing these individuals?

I think the proliferation of violent pornography, the constant hypersexualization of women, increasing levels of disrespect at all levels of society, and now internet echo chambers where incels gather and rant about how much they hate woman while idolizing other school shooters MIGHT be a factor.

Jesus donkey-cave Christ so many damned buzzwords these days I cannot keep up. What in blazes is an "incel?"

Maybe that is the problem, the modern society is far to easily putting dozens upon dozens of labels upon people. Stripping them of their humanity and leaving them nothing more than a husk, angry, empty and acting out.

You say "violent porn" but the last time I checked pornhub, the most search garbage was that gakky fake incest crap. So much so they even have a filter to hide it. Though, to be clear I'm not saying it's not out there. But is it as accessible as people think it is? IDK.

Normally I would tell somebody to look it up. But do NOT under any circumstances go to the incel subreddit or any of the forums. It is one of the most infuriating things you can ever see and you will get in to an argument with somebody and probably be very disappointed in humanity and yourself afterwards. Just save yourself the trouble.

Man - now you made me want to check it out.

Maybe the government should pass some common sense internet reform and ban InCel forums?

The current home is r/braincels after r/incels got closed due to its content.


Alternatively, if you want to see how awful they are without being surrounded by awful people, just go to r/inceltears.

It's a bit funny when someone is completely unaware of the term incel labels my comment as nothing but buzzwords.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incel#List_of_mass_murders_committed_or_suspected_to_be_committed_by_self-identified_incels

Those are just the self-identified ones.

Stoneman Shooter - Suffered from childhood abuse. Extremely racist and xenophobic. Referred to white woman in interracial relationships as traitors.

Santa Fe Shooter - Target a girl that had repeated rejected his advances. Of course his lawyers deny this.

Las Vegas Shooter - Allegedly engaged in violent and aggressive sex/rape fantasies. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4636626/hooker-reveals-las-vegas-gunman-violent-rape-fantasies-bragged-i-was-born-bad/

Sutherland Shooter - Investigated for sexual assault, rape, and physical assault of his then girlfriend. Misdemeanor charge for cruelty to animals.

Umpqua Shooter - Supposedly attempted suicide and this led to his discharge, but the Army has not confirmed this explicitly. "Those officials say the writings indicate the shooter studied past mass shootings and identified with the perpetrators of those rampages. The shooter also expressed frustration at not having a girlfriend and being a virgin, the law enforcement officials say."
https://edition.cnn.com/2015/10/04/us/oregon-umpqua-community-college-shooting/

Sandy Hook Shooter - Diagnosed with aspberger's at 13. "A document entitled "Selfish", about the inherent selfishness of women, was found on Lanza's computer after his death."




Is this really not apparent yet?

You're complaining that people are misunderstanding incels while building a list in which at least 2 of them are known to have girlfriends (or have been married) and thus are presumably not actually incels, and another has has well-established motivations that also are not "being an incel".

Being aggressive towards women, and hating women? Sure. But half the "incel" is "cel", and like half this list is missing that part.

 trexmeyer wrote:
It's a bit funny when someone is completely unaware of the term incel labels my comment as nothing but buzzwords.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incel#List_of_mass_murders_committed_or_suspected_to_be_committed_by_self-identified_incels

Those are just the self-identified ones.

Stoneman Shooter - Suffered from childhood abuse. Extremely racist and xenophobic. Referred to white woman in interracial relationships as traitors.

Santa Fe Shooter - Target a girl that had repeated rejected his advances. Of course his lawyers deny this.

Las Vegas Shooter - Allegedly engaged in violent and aggressive sex/rape fantasies. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4636626/hooker-reveals-las-vegas-gunman-violent-rape-fantasies-bragged-i-was-born-bad/

Sutherland Shooter - Investigated for sexual assault, rape, and physical assault of his then girlfriend. Misdemeanor charge for cruelty to animals.

Umpqua Shooter - Supposedly attempted suicide and this led to his discharge, but the Army has not confirmed this explicitly. "Those officials say the writings indicate the shooter studied past mass shootings and identified with the perpetrators of those rampages. The shooter also expressed frustration at not having a girlfriend and being a virgin, the law enforcement officials say."
https://edition.cnn.com/2015/10/04/us/oregon-umpqua-community-college-shooting/

Sandy Hook Shooter - Diagnosed with aspberger's at 13. "A document entitled "Selfish", about the inherent selfishness of women, was found on Lanza's computer after his death."




Is this really not apparent yet?

Might be doing some reaching on some of that....reminds me of the 80's heavy metal music is making kids kill them selves scare. His record collection includes Ozzy Osborn! The music killed little Johnny! Now if they had dog eared copies of the catcher in the rye.....

Eeeeeh, I would say it is perfectly possible to be an incel (that is to exhibit the behaviour and views associated with incels) whilst not technically being a virgin or even celibate. Indeed, many of the incel community would still regard themselves as incels even if they were to have sex as they would automatically assume that they were being "cucked" by the woman going behind their back with a "chad".

Despite the name being a mash of "involuntary celibate", I would argue that celibacy is not the actual defining feature of an incel, misogyny is.

Half of National Socialism is Socialism, but saying you have to be a socialist to be a Nazi would be incredibly wrong.


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 Insurgency Walker wrote:


Might be doing some reaching on some of that....reminds me of the 80's heavy metal music is making kids kill them selves scare. His record collection includes Ozzy Osborn! The music killed little Johnny! Now if they had dog eared copies of the catcher in the rye.....

Much of the incel "community" is pretty much grooming young men to regard women as not even human and the cause of all their problems (referring to them as femoids, saying that women are selfish because they don't allow themselves to be gang raped etc.). They are also being told that wider society (the normies) is enabling their oppression and is so disgusted by the incel that they will never help them.

They act just like any other online predator, and you'll have a hard time arguing that people cannot be influenced by persistent grooming behaviour.

The incel community also actively discourages its members from seeking any help outside of the community. They seek to isolate people, destroy any sense of self worth or capability to improve your situation through changing yourself. The only way for things to improve is for society to change so that the incels are given femoids to use.

Did you really just compare 80's metal to a community that actively believes woman are essentially nothing but prostitutes (they use a more explicit term), that they deserve sex, and that rape isn't really that bad of a crime? Oh, and society is aligned against them and they are all victims?

Did you really do that?

The mere existence of incels is on a level of sad and shame I did not know the human race was capable of. It is one of those things that I feel like we have an entire generation of self-entitled idiots that need a serious kicking to the ass (this is in combination with every single person trying to argue politics by going to the extreme, not realizing they're not helping their case).

I personally think the thing everyone needs this day in age is Shame. Like actual self retrospective shame. Because the idea of being proud of what you are as gone to the point where everyone is now proud to be shameless and stupid and expect to be praised for it. There's a reason in ages past said qualities were associated with the town idiot.

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/why-are-we-afraid-of-mass-shootings#1

When you put things in perspective - everything becomes clear.

 Ouze wrote:
You're complaining that people are misunderstanding incels while building a list in which at least 2 of them are known to have girlfriends (or have been married) and thus are presumably not actually incels, and another has has well-established motivations that also are not "being an incel".

Being aggressive towards women, and hating women? Sure. But half the "incel" is "cel", and like half this list is missing that part.

Perhaps the "cel" was accurate when they formed their worldview and thus remained relevant after they lost their virginity.

 Ouze wrote:
You're complaining that people are misunderstanding incels while building a list in which at least 2 of them are known to have girlfriends (or have been married) and thus are presumably not actually incels, and another has has well-established motivations that also are not "being an incel".

Being aggressive towards women, and hating women? Sure. But half the "incel" is "cel", and like half this list is missing that part.

IMHO, it is entirely possible that while some members of Trex's list were not actually Incel, they may certainly have inspired others who are on the list, or otherwise part of that group.

All I was trying (and apparently failing) to make clear was that mass shooters consistently have misogynistic tendencies, a history of mental illness, and a history of social isolation.

 trexmeyer wrote:
All I was trying (and apparently failing) to make clear was that mass shooters consistently have misogynistic tendencies, a history of mental illness, and a history of social isolation.

Very true. What to do about it though? I have no idea.

One thing is certain, fewer guns would not help.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
One thing is certain, fewer guns would not help.

Really? Why don't we give them all bazooka's because one thing is certain fewer bazooka's would not help.

I find that statement slightly staggering, while it's not the sole root of the problem it has to be part of it. Next you will tell me armed teachers are a good thing.

Guns just being part of household items I find slightly scared.

Marxist artist wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
One thing is certain, fewer guns would not help.

Really? Why don't we give them all bazooka's because one thing is certain fewer bazooka's would not help.

I find that statement slightly staggering, while it's not the sole root of the problem it has to be part of it. Next you will tell me armed teachers are a good thing.

Guns just being part of household items I find slightly scared.

I think that might have been sarcasm.

 Mozzyfuzzy wrote:

Marxist artist wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
One thing is certain, fewer guns would not help.

Really? Why don't we give them all bazooka's because one thing is certain fewer bazooka's would not help.

I find that statement slightly staggering, while it's not the sole root of the problem it has to be part of it. Next you will tell me armed teachers are a good thing.

Guns just being part of household items I find slightly scared.

I think that might have been sarcasm.

It that case I am a idiot , who is blind,

 Kilkrazy wrote:
One thing is certain, fewer guns would not help.

You are obviously right, so let's not even let that be mentioned or considered.

Instead, let's talk about how we can get even more guns into people's hands.

Easy E wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
One thing is certain, fewer guns would not help.

You are obviously right, so let's not even let that be mentioned or considered.

Instead, let's talk about how we can get even more guns into people's hands.

… and make students wear transparent backpacks, install metal detectors, add more (armed) security, install cameras (add facial recognition software), have active shooter drills, give teachers guns/baseball bats/a buckets of rocks. Do that and more to turn schools into something that feels more like a prison. But don't dare to ever imagine that easy access to guns might be part of the issue.

 trexmeyer wrote:
Did you really just compare 80's metal to a community that actively believes woman are essentially nothing but prostitutes (they use a more explicit term), that they deserve sex, and that rape isn't really that bad of a crime? Oh, and society is aligned against them and they are all victims?

Did you really do that?

No. I compared the idea that that small sampling of incels being extrapolated to cover the root cause of mass school shootings is like how Tipper Gore responded to the music scene of the day.

So, are you surprised that a mass murderer would have misogynistic tendencies? I'd be surprised if they had only misogynistic tendencies. When someone has hit the point of mass murder they have usually passed through a variety of monstrous behavior or belief to get there.
I had never heard the term incel before today, and hopefully it's a small community. In fact, based on what others have said about the incel community it sounds like they would produce more sexual predators.

Which is why we need more guns. Ok, to soon, to soon.