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 MarcoSkoll wrote:

 ServiceGames wrote:
Seems the AoS, 30K, Shadespire, and Necromunda tables all looked pretty good terrain-wise, but it was also stated that it could have been because people might have brought their own terrain for those games/events.

Speaking as the Inquisitor TO for the weekend, I was offered terrain support* (and I have to assume that other TOs were as well) - I ultimately declined it, as the final ticket sales worked out at a level where the terrain requirements were a level I could feasibly provide/transport myself, even given the relatively dense terrain that Inquisitor favours; being able to know and control exactly what I was working with made writing the plot-line and scenarios for the event much easier.

This, for example, was one of the tables we played on during the weekend. While I still plan to improve the set with doors and extra details it is, I would like to hope, aesthetically acceptable terrain:


A lot of people just seem to be lumping all the terrain at the London GT together, despite the fact that multiple sub-events were involved.

* I did see the terrain we were offered, and it was perfectly reasonable. However, the issue with using it for the main 40K event was that there just wasn't enough for that many tables to all have matching layouts.

And that terrain table is beautifull. And about what I like in 40k!

As for main event I don't like their insistense on matching layouts. For me part of fun in tournaments is always seeing what table I end up playing each round. It creates nice story on it's own for the tournament and makes game more unique and interesting when you are playing in different type of terrains like GW intended.

tneva82 wrote:

As for main event I don't like their insistense on matching layouts. For me part of fun in tournaments is always seeing what table I end up playing each round. It creates nice story on it's own for the tournament and makes game more unique and interesting when you are playing in different type of terrains like GW intended.

I wouldn't mind different tables, as long as they were all symmetrical. Not as if you could walk around those tables easily for deployment. Easier to go under them by the looks of it.

Good luck with that 'free food' idea. I'm not sure if you're tracking this or not, but 'free' generally means someone else pays for it.

But the venue is overpriced and I bet that place smelled delightful.

Matora wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

As for main event I don't like their insistense on matching layouts. For me part of fun in tournaments is always seeing what table I end up playing each round. It creates nice story on it's own for the tournament and makes game more unique and interesting when you are playing in different type of terrains like GW intended.

I wouldn't mind different tables, as long as they were all symmetrical. Not as if you could walk around those tables easily for deployment. Easier to go under them by the looks of it.

I don't want that. As said for me part of fun are different tables. Thank god finland tournaments aren't infectea by the cancer perfectly identical symmetric tables.

 Turnip Jedi wrote:
https://i.imgur.com/AHHyiad.jpg

Here's a table that looks like gak

And whilst I concur wallet voting really only helps the individual get over being taken for a mug feeling as like has been said there is always someone else naively functioning under the assumption gamers wont abuse other gamers trust, but thousand cuts and that (UK Gencon being a pertinent example)

This terrain is shockingly bad.
I had planned to attend the next LGT. But I think that I will not.

 wuestenfux wrote:

This terrain is shockingly bad.
I had planned to attend the next LGT. But I think that I will not.

In all honesty I've only seen terrain that bad on someone's personal table when they're getting started and learning the game mechanics with a sibling, roommate, friend, or something like that. If this terrain were even in a small FLGS, I would turn around and walk out. At a tournament this big? It's a joke. Someone wasn't prepared, or something went horribly wrong with the budget somewhere.

I think the worst thing was 'no outside food and drink'. Dude, it's allergy season right now and I'm constantly munching antihistamines and I have to carry around water- I'll be damned if they took my water jug from me there.

Im 99.9% sure the no food or drink is a venue directive and not up to the TO's.

 Ordana wrote:
Im 99.9% sure the no food or drink is a venue directive and not up to the TO's.

Yeah, and that's where the issue lies. I've co-hosted and hosted events at various locations. One of the first things I ask is their food and drink policy. If they don't allow it (which is kinda rare for where I've been), then I ask why. I've never seen a place that doesn't allow water. That's just all kinds of potential problems waiting to happen. It's a safety hazard, if you ask me. Now, if they are selling water I expect it to be reasonably priced (and apparently at the LGT it wasn't).

The water thing is understandable for a London venue as London has seen a lot of acid attacks this year, why I don't know but I can understand venues being cautious as it would be hard to tell them appart without checking every bottle.

Ice_can wrote:
The water thing is understandable for a London venue as London has seen a lot of acid attacks this year, why I don't know but I can understand venues being cautious as it would be hard to tell them appart without checking every bottle.

Could you bring in an empty water jug and fill it on the premises? I mean like, one of these: https://www.amazon.com/Neiko-71010-Stainless-Sports-Bottle/dp/B002VDA2AC

If you could show it had nothing in it, and refill it at a fountain, sink, or spigot (not sure what you guys' water quality is).

(Also, inb4 'Murican joke about UK scared of water bottles now. You know it's coming, so let's just throw the jab now and be done with it.)

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:

This terrain is shockingly bad.
I had planned to attend the next LGT. But I think that I will not.

In all honesty I've only seen terrain that bad on someone's personal table when they're getting started and learning the game mechanics with a sibling, roommate, friend, or something like that. If this terrain were even in a small FLGS, I would turn around and walk out. At a tournament this big? It's a joke. Someone wasn't prepared, or something went horribly wrong with the budget somewhere.

I think the worst thing was 'no outside food and drink'. Dude, it's allergy season right now and I'm constantly munching antihistamines and I have to carry around water- I'll be damned if they took my water jug from me there.

Well that is what you get when you start working on hundreds of tables worth of terrain 11 days before event...

...how they thought THAT would work out...


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 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

 Ordana wrote:
Im 99.9% sure the no food or drink is a venue directive and not up to the TO's.

Yeah, and that's where the issue lies. I've co-hosted and hosted events at various locations. One of the first things I ask is their food and drink policy. If they don't allow it (which is kinda rare for where I've been), then I ask why. I've never seen a place that doesn't allow water. That's just all kinds of potential problems waiting to happen. It's a safety hazard, if you ask me. Now, if they are selling water I expect it to be reasonably priced (and apparently at the LGT it wasn't).

Well to be fair seems issue was more of communication. There WAS free water available. You just couldn\t bring your own but had to use the one provided there.

tneva82 wrote:

Well that is what you get when you start working on hundreds of tables worth of terrain 11 days before event...

...how they thought THAT would work out...

Like a chili fart in khakis. That's how it worked out.

I understand the need for 'LOS blocking terrain' and this was more about tactical gameplay than 'flair on the table'. But it's kind of silly to expect players to have fully-painted armies and then throw an unpainted brick of styrofoam on the table and say 'have at it lads'.

Yeah double standard there was pretty big...If you don't want to invest on visual side of terrain why should visual side of models matter? If you look at it non-visual action whether models are painted or not is irrelevant. IF you look at it as visual action then terrain needs to be included as well and have at least some standard.

tneva82 wrote:
Yeah double standard there was pretty big...If you don't want to invest on visual side of terrain why should visual side of models matter? If you look at it non-visual action whether models are painted or not is irrelevant. IF you look at it as visual action then terrain needs to be included as well and have at least some standard.

I understand the fact that this is a relatively new tournament. But maybe the whole 'London' idea was the problem. I'm not familiar with the UK, but aren't there better places?

Isn't there a nice place with a large pavilion area- perhaps a recreational camp area?

New tournament with third time...And still 11 days left when they started to build on it. And if you leave it that late maybe swallow your pride and use the terrain you have been donated rather than left it unused...

And if this wasn't london people would have been where's the london tournament.

No problem was with organizers who wanted record breaking player amount focusing on quantity over quality.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Yeah double standard there was pretty big...If you don't want to invest on visual side of terrain why should visual side of models matter? If you look at it non-visual action whether models are painted or not is irrelevant. IF you look at it as visual action then terrain needs to be included as well and have at least some standard.

I understand the fact that this is a relatively new tournament. But maybe the whole 'London' idea was the problem. I'm not familiar with the UK, but aren't there better places?

Isn't there a nice place with a large pavilion area- perhaps a recreational camp area?

You don't really want to do it outside, in any case.

I personally don't see the appeal with London, but it is one of the easiest places for international competitors to reach. Even if it's expensive.

Personally, I'd have advocated for the NEC in Birmingham, or somewhere closer to Nottingham, the home of Warhammer.

There’s nothing stopping anyone running a tournament in either of those cities - or Manchester, Durham, Mewcastle, Truro..., but the organisers are based in London, so that seems like a reasonable place for them to hold their event.

 iddy00711 wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 iddy00711 wrote:

The Bad[/b]

Too Capitalistic

Detailed list submission format and point deductions

Could you elaborate on these two? I'm especially curious on why the latter is bad.

The FAQ had only been posted a few weeks prior to the deadline and a lot of people suffer from dyslexia. Making a mistake before the event itself shouldn't ruin your tournament score.



Basic services (water/food) were overpriced.

The open list submission was an attempt to deal with a serial problem of tournaments - players with illegal lists. Making a mistake with you list that violates the rules should be a flat auto-lose for all your games at the very least IMO. Its not like anybody but yourself is applying time pressure to your list building - there were weeks after the FAQ dropped to get it sorted and thorough checking really should not require more than an hour. The one scandal not to come out of LGT was illegal lists on the top tables so while it might have seemed inconvenient to you it did apparently do its job. I know I went onto those lists and queried something ambiguous/possibly wrong and the player submitting it fixed the issue; the open list submission does only work if the community join in and help.

As for overpriced; it is London. London is overpriced as is almost everything in it. Having the tournament in London is part of the TO's vision for the event for better and for worse.

happy_inquisitor wrote:
As for overpriced; it is London. London is overpriced as is almost everything in it. Having the tournament in London is part of the TO's vision for the event for better and for worse.

Yeah, I'm not quite sure what they expected at a major event in a major metropolitan city. Try getting a hot dog or nachos and a beer at a MLB game. Beer and snacks are cheaper on airlines most of the time. OP even says 'free food' and I'm not sure how that is supposed to work. If you don't want to pay their prices, then bring a lunch cooler with some sandwiches and keep it in the trunk of your car- go out and eat when you're hungry on a break. This is... pretty basic stuff.

Also I'm not sure what 'too capitalistic' means. I'm pretty sure the event was intended to generate revenue. That's how they support future events. If you want free gaming, then build a table at your house. Even the average FLGS in the US expects people using the tables to buy something from the store.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
There’s nothing stopping anyone running a tournament in either of those cities - or Manchester, Durham, Mewcastle, Truro..., but the organisers are based in London, so that seems like a reasonable place for them to hold their event.

After three years of failure - with common complaints each year - they forfeit that right. Or they should, at least.

Stop focusing on bigger, start concentrating on better...

 Dysartes wrote:

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
There’s nothing stopping anyone running a tournament in either of those cities - or Manchester, Durham, Mewcastle, Truro..., but the organisers are based in London, so that seems like a reasonable place for them to hold their event.

After three years of failure - with common complaints each year - they forfeit that right. Or they should, at least.

Stop focusing on bigger, start concentrating on better...

I don't see what the connection is between the quote and your post.

They should focus on getting quality not maximising numbers. However there is no reason not to try and hold an event in London. They are starved of tournaments and there are a lot of people.

yeah location isn't problem. Because there is tournament doesn't mean there can't be tournament in manchester. If there are players to play and organizers to organize there's room for both. Is UK really so crowded with tournaments there literally is no room for more than 1 even on different locations?

If there was no london GT people would be asking where's big london tournament.

No problem isn't there's tournament in london. problem is organizers are more interested on quantity over quality and now rather than say in 3 years. Let tournament grow naturally.

"Too capitalistic"
"London is a terrible city and terribly over costed."

I have to admit I laughed out loud at those two.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
I understand the fact that this is a relatively new tournament. But maybe the whole 'London' idea was the problem. I'm not familiar with the UK, but aren't there better places?

Isn't there a nice place with a large pavilion area- perhaps a recreational camp area?

Generally, anywhere outside London will be cheaper and easier to hire space. However, it will also require you to either train there or drive there, which can limit attendance. Because of the expense of a major world city like London, there are REALLY few events in London overall (like having events in NYC I guess). I've lived in London for 20 years, but every tournament I've ever been to outside small, single-club events has been in a different city. However, if you can make it work, the London has a huge amount of players who can all easily get around due to public transport, transport links from almost everywhere else in the UK and the most flexible international options. It's definitely a good thing to HAVE a big event in London, it's just that finding affordable space to hold it is really difficult.

Regarding prices for food and drink, a lot fo the comments on here are pretty ridiculous. Big event spaces, hotels and conference centres tend to hike up prices and not let you bring outside food and drink in. That's pretty standard in any corporate event venue in the UK. The prices are high, but again, pretty standard for any big city. You'd pay the same for beer and hotdogs if you were in Excel centre for Salute, or MEN Arena / O2 / SECC for a concert.

The real problem here is that, for the £50 entry fee, you'd expect a premium event, and what we actually got was a really badly organised and 'cheap-feeling' event in a prestigious but completely unsuitable space.

CassianSol wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
There’s nothing stopping anyone running a tournament in either of those cities - or Manchester, Durham, Mewcastle, Truro..., but the organisers are based in London, so that seems like a reasonable place for them to hold their event.

After three years of failure - with common complaints each year - they forfeit that right. Or they should, at least.

Stop focusing on bigger, start concentrating on better...

I don't see what the connection is between the quote and your post.

They should focus on getting quality not maximising numbers. However there is no reason not to try and hold an event in London. They are starved of tournaments and there are a lot of people.

...I have no idea why I quoted that post either. I could've sworn when I was posting I was quoting someone saying something about giving them another chance to improve.

So what we need is abunch of us Londoners to get together and start another LONDON GT.

The problem with organising an event of this scale anywhere in London(probably anywhere in UK) is cost. We would have to stump up a huge amount of cash to pay for the venue up front and hope to make this money back on attendance fees. After listening to the organiser on the allies of convenience podcast I can appreciate some of the problems that they faced particularly in funding this event as he stated that both of his previous events went over budget and initiated a small loss. To be able to eat those losses and stump up for the Olympic stadium and gamble on recouping this money means deep pockets.

I know people who even organise and they reckon the olympic stadium would have been between £8-10k per day.

Edit: obviously they would have made the money in advanced ticket sales before the event happened.