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Faction boxes are 80 eur for SCE, 70 for the others.

So about £55-60 in oppression bucks, I could do that - for the dark elves one that's a decent saving - basically makes one of the two troop boxes free ish

zamerion wrote:
the box is 140 euros.

Huh, so from comparison shopping, looks like 185USD. That is...surprisingly low for GW. I was expecting well over 200 considering the snek girls are 108usd for 10 and the flying ones are 52usd - factoring in the new HQ (which will inevitably be too expensive), and the Daughters of Khaine side alone is retail at about 180.

80 euro for SCE? 22 miniatures, including 14 primaris sized ones. For comparison, DW patrol is 110 for 15 primaris.

Yup, AoS starts looking more and more like primary GW game that gets all the love and competent crew

 Irbis wrote:
80 euro for SCE? 22 miniatures, including 14 primaris sized ones. For comparison, DW patrol is 110 for 15 primaris.

Yup, AoS starts looking more and more like primary GW game that gets all the love and competent crew

Something to keep in mind is those models are OLD. New boxes are more expensive than comparable. Thus the judicators are cheaper than primaris infantry on the virtue of being older. And they can't exactly price the box like it would contain primaris as that would make making box more expensive than separately.

The judicators are also a box of 10 rather than five like we're seeing in some of the combat patrols

Counterpoint - all the primaris in patrol are old too. 7th edition DW upgrade sprues (DW didn't even got primaris one like all the other chapters, SMH), almost all minis are first wave primaris who aren't exactly young either, newest one is single late 2017 Lieutenant. GW priced almost exactly the same models much lower early 2020 when they were put in SW primaris SC...

 Irbis wrote:
Counterpoint - all the primaris in patrol are old too. 7th edition DW upgrade sprues (DW didn't even got primaris one like all the other chapters, SMH), almost all minis are first wave primaris who aren't exactly young either, newest one is single late 2017 Lieutenant. GW priced almost exactly the same models much lower early 2020 when they were put in SW primaris SC...

Stormcast came 2015. Primaris 2017. Now remind me. Is model released in 2017 newer than one in 2015? I could swear it's pretty easy to say 2017 is newer but guess it's not as clear after all.

Not really a big difference between 2015 and 2017 considering both were probably made with the same technology.

However, the Stormcast box seems to be a mix between older and newer units with some being from 2018. The older units make the bulk of the box though.

So? It's not matter of difference. It's matter of new sku. If gw repacks rhino with new sku that's reason for gw to up price.

In case you haven't been following gw releases for years gw ups price of comparable models. Technology, sprue count etc is irrelevant.

They started this when they stopped raising price of every item each year. Likely their way of dealing with　inflation since yearly range wide price hikes were proving unpopular plus seeing year　old models are already trickle　profit age price　increase in new models is more profitable　anyway.

GW defenders make it sound like 2017 models are brand new hotness compared to the ancient 2015 ones, amazing.

Anyway, the prices aren't horrible, but for idoneth the box hinges on how good the rewritten shaerks are.

For Stormcast, they put all the biggest stinkers in one neat box so you can never worry about accidentally purchasing it

Morathi-Khaine is a thing!

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/11/02/broken-realms-rise-of-the-shadow-queen/

 kurhanik wrote:

zamerion wrote:
the box is 140 euros.

Huh, so from comparison shopping, looks like 185USD. That is...surprisingly low for GW. I was expecting well over 200 considering the snek girls are 108usd for 10 and the flying ones are 52usd - factoring in the new HQ (which will inevitably be too expensive), and the Daughters of Khaine side alone is retail at about 180.

These boxes have generally been a really good deal. The last two were 180, looks like the same here as well.

 Overread wrote:
Morathi-Khaine is a thing!

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/11/02/broken-realms-rise-of-the-shadow-queen/

I just find it funny how elusive they attempt to be about her ascension and then they reveal the contents page of the book.


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In other exciting news the Idoneth are getting mount traits.

 Eldarsif wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Morathi-Khaine is a thing!

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/11/02/broken-realms-rise-of-the-shadow-queen/

I just find it funny how elusive they attempt to be about her ascension and then they reveal the contents page of the book.


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In other exciting news the Idoneth are getting mount traits.

"The question is, does Morathi succeed in her quest, or is she thwarted at the last by her rivals? Well, we’re not going to confirm anything one way or the other, so you’ll have to pre-order the book on Saturday to find out!"

Don't know if people have noticed it but the Slaves to Darkness battalion is listed under the Idoneth rules. Either somebody forgot to add a Slaves to Darkness header or Idoneth are now officially chaos.

(I suspect this is a typo and they forgot to add a format to the Idolators name above)

 Eldarsif wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Morathi-Khaine is a thing!

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/11/02/broken-realms-rise-of-the-shadow-queen/

I just find it funny how elusive they attempt to be about her ascension and then they reveal the contents page of the book.


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In other exciting news the Idoneth are getting mount traits.

Thing is we don't know if it worked. Or if it worked the way she wanted. It's called Morathi-Khaine. We've no idea if its a reflection of Morathi; if she's gone totally insane with her mind being merged with khiane; if its actually Khaine running things; we've no idea. It could also be that she totally fails in her quest and as "reward" her body gets somehow split into two; now there's two Morathi in the realms!

After all which half of her will live in the other's shadow

 GaroRobe wrote:

"The question is, does Morathi succeed in her quest, or is she thwarted at the last by her rivals? Well, we’re not going to confirm anything one way or the other, so you’ll have to pre-order the book on Saturday to find out!"

Yes, that's what is funny. It's like they didn't read what they posted in the article.

Come on, if you call yourself "Morathi-Khaine", it's certainly not because you failed a ritual to achieve godhood.

I think my theory about her dividing her essence in two and separating herself from the monstruous form inherited from Slaanesh is gaining more ground now !

I'm actually super excited about this because my Cauldrons are all converted to have Morathi standing atop a shattered statue of Khaine. It was my headcanon that this was going to happen and it came true! Go complete blind luck!

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
"Morathi-Khaine" does have a nice ring to it.

Called it!!


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ERJAK wrote:
I'm actually super excited about this because my Cauldrons are all converted to have Morathi standing atop a shattered statue of Khaine. It was my headcanon that this was going to happen and it came true! Go complete blind luck!

Ah, give yourself more credit; your headcanon was well-predicted.

Bet Morathi will use her monstruous form as the new avatar of Khaine to keep deceiving the Daughters of Khaine, and her "normal self" as the Shadow Queen.

Sarouan wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:

"The question is, does Morathi succeed in her quest, or is she thwarted at the last by her rivals? Well, we’re not going to confirm anything one way or the other, so you’ll have to pre-order the book on Saturday to find out!"

Yes, that's what is funny. It's like they didn't read what they posted in the article.

Come on, if you call yourself "Morathi-Khaine", it's certainly not because you failed a ritual to achieve godhood.

I think my theory about her dividing her essence in two and separating herself from the monstruous form inherited from Slaanesh is gaining more ground now !

I think the "-Khaine" part may imply some sort of symbiosis, which knowing Morathi probably wasn't part of the plan. Though it could be just a title to placate her forces, them being Khaine's daughters and all.

Time will tell.

Pretty damn excited for this.

Sarouan wrote:
Bet Morathi will use her monstruous form as the new avatar of Khaine to keep deceiving the Daughters of Khaine, and her "normal self" as the Shadow Queen.

Which from a gameplay perspective means that shadowqueen will see much more play unless MKUltra has super OP rules.

Considering that right now Morathi is 480points on her own where she shifts between the two forms. Where in theory she could remain in her first form for an entire battle; I wonder how GW will split her for the book

If they just straight up let her take both forms at once with minimal changes to the warscroll and mostly just removing the transformation step then taking both might be legal, but might cost close to 900points just to put on the table. Making it quite impractical outside of special situations and greater than 2K battles.

The other option is one or both forms become weaker so that they can have a lower points cost.

WE also don't know if they'll have a synergy between them and boost each other. That if combined with lower points might make them an almost "every time" duel combo.



It's a curious situation and a rare one as GW rarely does the kind of move where you have one model transform to another (I think the only other time they did that is with mounts and riders in old world)

Right now the best way to use Morathi is immediately transform turn 1, so were the forms split her monstrous form could stay at the same cost and her aelf form cost (considerably) less. But I imagine there will be rules changes.

 Overread wrote:
Considering that right now Morathi is 480points on her own where she shifts between the two forms. Where in theory she could remain in her first form for an entire battle; I wonder how GW will split her for the book

If they just straight up let her take both forms at once with minimal changes to the warscroll and mostly just removing the transformation step then taking both might be legal, but might cost close to 900points just to put on the table. Making it quite impractical outside of special situations and greater than 2K battles.

The other option is one or both forms become weaker so that they can have a lower points cost.

WE also don't know if they'll have a synergy between them and boost each other. That if combined with lower points might make them an almost "every time" duel combo.



It's a curious situation and a rare one as GW rarely does the kind of move where you have one model transform to another (I think the only other time they did that is with mounts and riders in old world)

My guess is shadowqueen will be current mini-morathi at a cheaper price(which would be a HUGE buff for DoK armies) and MK Ultra will be big morathi only but with buffed up rules to compensate for the loss of her smaller forms very large value add. Honestly they could keep her at 480 with better melee and a nicer degrade table.

This appeared over on TGA forums - not sure if its GW's price or after retail discount

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Right now the best way to use Morathi is immediately transform turn 1, so were the forms split her monstrous form could stay at the same cost and her aelf form cost (considerably) less. But I imagine there will be rules changes.

There's a lot of nuance in using Morathi effectively and even when transforming Morathi turn 1, the Transformation itself is hugely valuable as it essentially results in an extra 3 to 4 inch move.

 Overread wrote:
This appeared over on TGA forums - not sure if its GW's price or after retail discount
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That's definitely RRP.

ERJAK wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Right now the best way to use Morathi is immediately transform turn 1, so were the forms split her monstrous form could stay at the same cost and her aelf form cost (considerably) less. But I imagine there will be rules changes.

There's a lot of nuance in using Morathi effectively and even when transforming Morathi turn 1, the Transformation itself is hugely valuable as it essentially results in an extra 3 to 4 inch move.

I am aware, but that value is offset by the ability of certain army builds to shoot/spell her top of 1, meaning the damage is effective doubled. I figure they largely even out, with snek form perhaps being worth 10-20 pts less on its own.