40k - Florida Ironman - ITC exploitation?

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**doktor_g**

Deleted... Why bother.

**Oaka**

This reminds me of the first and only Mordheim campaign I tried to run back in the day. In the first week, one player recorded a half dozen slaughters against his little brother and showed up to play the rest of us with hired mercenaries and all kinds of exotic weapons.

**NinthMusketeer**

How pathetic.

**AduroT**

Oaka wrote:
This reminds me of the first and only Mordheim campaign I tried to run back in the day. In the first week, one player recorded a half dozen slaughters against his little brother and showed up to play the rest of us with hired mercenaries and all kinds of exotic weapons.

Oh man, that reminds me of a thing GW ran where you were tracking wins and turning them in with your local store to be certified. The guy who won had like the week off work or something, and just played an ungodly number of games against his kid/s. And that wasn’t hearsay, it’s what he told GW in his victory interview. It was ridiculous.

**Arbitrator**

Sabotage! wrote:

My reaction to the letter.

The idea someone would take a beer and pretzels game that was designed to be played with your buddies over a couple drinks to a level where there is organized rigging of rankings is comic gold. Seriously people are cheating the system to seem better at a toy soldier game to the other players of the game.

Someone needs to call up Christopher Guest, I think we found the story for his next mockumentary.

I'd love to see Louis Theroux cover it.

I was surprised to discover just how seriously 'Warhammer' tournaments were being taken by the community and Tom seemed eager to answer my questions.

"So a lot of people have told me you treat this like a serious sport?"
"E-Spots are a thing, video games...the Olympics recognised them."
"Okay but, these are toy soldiers aren't they? Is there a physical aspect to it?"
"They're miniatures and, uhh, y-you spend a lot of time standing up at tables."
"And how much would you say a... tournament winning 'army' costs you?"
"About a thousand dollars."
"A thousand dollars? And you have multiple of these?"
"S-sometimes I, uh, flip them on Ebay..."
"And there's a market for that?"
"Y-yeah, when... when people see my- our name on it, they want the army."
"Like you're some kind of celebrity?"
"Haha yeah... sometimes I coach people too."
"You coach people how to play with these miniatures? And they pay you money for that?"
"There's, uhh, a lot of complexity and depth... and skill involved, board control and stuff, and uhh, people don't realise just how much goes into it."
"But you buy a new army every month or so don't you? Some might say, um, it's your equipment winning for you."
"There's... there's more to it than that, not everyone can just show up with a powerful army... they gotta know board control, tempo, watch the clock..."
"So when you win a tournament, what do you usually win, is it a cash prize?"
"Sometimes it's prize support from the company, so more models and stuff."
"Do they ever reimburse you for the flights and hotels?"
"S-sometimes."
"What does your partner think about all this?"
[Awkward Pause]

I was eager to play a game of Warhammer and understand what brought these men so much joy, *Camera cuts to shot of a distant table where a man throws his arms up and looks visibly upset* And distress. Tom had offered me the use of his latest purchase, a collection he referred to as 'Prime Marines'.

**Mr. Burning**

Arbitrator. I read that whole thing in my mind with Louis Theroux' voice. Brilliant.
'Prime Marines'.

**Easy E**

Due to the absurdity, I think we need Werner Herzog to direct and narrate.

What did people expect to happen when you start to organize a "competitive" scene where winning is all that matters? For people who care so much about winning, they will find a way to win.

Pro sports are not exempt from this type of thing, so why would we think Warhams could be? I mean FIFA, the Patriots, Pro Cycling, etc, etc, etc.

Personally, I like to keep the competition out of my hobbies. If I wanted that level of competition, I would just go to work or maybe even wake up?

**gundam**

Arbitrator wrote:
Sabotage! wrote:

My reaction to the letter.

The idea someone would take a beer and pretzels game that was designed to be played with your buddies over a couple drinks to a level where there is organized rigging of rankings is comic gold. Seriously people are cheating the system to seem better at a toy soldier game to the other players of the game.

Someone needs to call up Christopher Guest, I think we found the story for his next mockumentary.

I'd love to see Louis Theroux cover it.

I was surprised to discover just how seriously 'Warhammer' tournaments were being taken by the community and Tom seemed eager to answer my questions.

"So a lot of people have told me you treat this like a serious sport?"
"E-Spots are a thing, video games...the Olympics recognised them."
"Okay but, these are toy soldiers aren't they? Is there a physical aspect to it?"
"They're miniatures and, uhh, y-you spend a lot of time standing up at tables."
"And how much would you say a... tournament winning 'army' costs you?"
"About a thousand dollars."
"A thousand dollars? And you have multiple of these?"
"S-sometimes I, uh, flip them on Ebay..."
"And there's a market for that?"
"Y-yeah, when... when people see my- our name on it, they want the army."
"Like you're some kind of celebrity?"
"Haha yeah... sometimes I coach people too."
"You coach people how to play with these miniatures? And they pay you money for that?"
"There's, uhh, a lot of complexity and depth... and skill involved, board control and stuff, and uhh, people don't realise just how much goes into it."
"But you buy a new army every month or so don't you? Some might say, um, it's your equipment winning for you."
"There's... there's more to it than that, not everyone can just show up with a powerful army... they gotta know board control, tempo, watch the clock..."
"So when you win a tournament, what do you usually win, is it a cash prize?"
"Sometimes it's prize support from the company, so more models and stuff."
"Do they ever reimburse you for the flights and hotels?"
"S-sometimes."
"What does your partner think about all this?"
[Awkward Pause]

I was eager to play a game of Warhammer and understand what brought these men so much joy, *Camera cuts to shot of a distant table where a man throws his arms up and looks visibly upset* And distress. Tom had offered me the use of his latest purchase, a collection he referred to as 'Prime Marines'.

[Awkward Pause] should be the mockumentary title lmao

**porkuslime**

I dont have a dog in this .. never played in a tournament but have been a paint judge.. lol

However, the words "Florida" and "Tournament" and "10 games over the weekend" sound REALLY bad in this time of COVID

Almost a superspreader level event.

Participation Prize - Disease! Or a Nurgle Model

Do we have ANY idea of precautions or if they were masked etc? Thats what gives me the hobby jitters here..

**Easy E**

The precaution was.... no one was really there after all. Just the winners.

LOL

**FezzikDaBullgryn**

stratigo wrote:
Not Online!!! wrote:
Gentlemen. RULE 1.

Please.

Keep that civil.

Covid denialism, which this involves, deserves no civility and people promoting it should be banned from Dakkadakka

I wish I could upvote this more. We could certainly do more to police the misenformation on world issues sometimes...

**bullyboy**

FezzikDaBullgryn wrote:
stratigo wrote:
Not Online!!! wrote:
Gentlemen. RULE 1.

Please.

Keep that civil.

Covid denialism, which this involves, deserves no civility and people promoting it should be banned from Dakkadakka

I wish I could upvote this more. We could certainly do more to police the misenformation on world issues sometimes...

yeah, that's an absolutely terrible idea, because it will always be about "their" misinformation

**Green is Best!**

porkuslime wrote:

Participation Prize - Disease! Or a Nurgle Model

OK. This made me laugh really hard. Dynamite comment.

**gundam**

Easy E wrote:
The precaution was.... no one was really there after all. Just the winners.

LOL

**NinthMusketeer**

Green is Best! wrote:
porkuslime wrote:

Participation Prize - Disease! Or a Nurgle Model

OK. This made me laugh really hard. Dynamite comment.

The joke is that YOU are the model