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Silly question time: given that Resin Forge gives every indication that they are paying attention to this thread (which seems to be the main source of information on the subject, or so it seems), has there been a reason given for why the "remaining 2 partners" haven't simply registered and address this criticism head-on?

It's hardly a point for or against their honesty, but given that they seem to be jumping though some fairly silly hoops (using a 3rd party to relay conversations through facebook?) it only seems to make sense.

It's not like these are negotiations between nations at war: according to their latest statements, Resin Forge claims to be as much the victim of DM as anyone else. Is there a reason not to come onto Dakka and remove all questions? Assuming, arguendo, that the statements of RF are truthful they have nothing to lose and quite a bit to gain by removing the lingering taint of this association.

 Buzzsaw wrote:
Silly question time: given that Resin Forge gives every indication that they are paying attention to this thread (which seems to be the main source of information on the subject, or so it seems), has there been a reason given for why the "remaining 2 partners" haven't simply registered and address this criticism head-on?

Read the back and forth here.

- business registration number/ tax number (only that will allow an independent check of who are owners)


Done once we have Daniel officially removed as co-owner. That way the tax and business info match. If we list it now people will say he has never quit and wont. With proof showing he's gone, that ends that topic.

 Buzzsaw wrote:
Silly question time: given that Resin Forge gives every indication that they are paying attention to this thread (which seems to be the main source of information on the subject, or so it seems), has there been a reason given for why the "remaining 2 partners" haven't simply registered and address this criticism head-on?

Earlier they claimed a secret conspiracy that prevented their registration from being accepted (while any Romanian spambot can).

Now I am waiting for a Dallas Law Firm named AmeriCon scamming them with their tax registration and the post office scamming them for emptying their PO Box

 kronk wrote:

 Buzzsaw wrote:
Silly question time: given that Resin Forge gives every indication that they are paying attention to this thread (which seems to be the main source of information on the subject, or so it seems), has there been a reason given for why the "remaining 2 partners" haven't simply registered and address this criticism head-on?

Read the back and forth here.

- business registration number/ tax number (only that will allow an independent check of who are owners)


Done once we have Daniel officially removed as co-owner. That way the tax and business info match. If we list it now people will say he has never quit and wont. With proof showing he's gone, that ends that topic.

That's actually the bizarre exchange I was referring to. Why go through the trouble of using an intermediary at all? That exchange seems to take it as a given that they won't post on Dakka, which (given that Dakka is one of the largest websites devoted to this particular hobby) simply seems odd.


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 Kroothawk wrote:

 Buzzsaw wrote:
Silly question time: given that Resin Forge gives every indication that they are paying attention to this thread (which seems to be the main source of information on the subject, or so it seems), has there been a reason given for why the "remaining 2 partners" haven't simply registered and address this criticism head-on?

Earlier they claimed a secret conspiracy that prevented their registration from being accepted (while any Romanian spambot can).

Now I am waiting for a Dallas Law Firm named AmeriCon scamming them with their tax registration and the post office scamming them for emptying their PO Box

Yeah, therein lies the rub: while DM could be relied upon to make outlandish claims that there was a conspiracy that prevented RF from posting... he's supposedly out of the scene. Given that we know they can post, and their previous reticent can be attributed to personnel not in current employ, their reasoning for not posting seems... obscure.

That's actually the bizarre exchange I was referring to. Why go through the trouble of using an intermediary at all? That exchange seems to take it as a given that they won't post on Dakka, which (given that Dakka is one of the largest websites devoted to this particular hobby) simply seems odd.

Because they don't have other means to communicate with Lexicanum And because they themselves only communicate publicly via Facebook. People would have to drop by this thread specifically looking for it. On Facebook pages fast spreading news moves in very different patterns through shares and newsfeeds.

The fact that they can edit the Facebook page and not Lexicanum or DakkaDakka might have influenced the decision on the communication channels.

 Inquisitor S. wrote:
Long text ahead. From private message on Facebook. DW acting as communications mediator between Lexicanum and Resin Forge.

We will not provide pictures of IDs as Daniels mother did that last year before she passed away and was still told he's fake.

Can someone fact check this? IIRC when this whole affair was going on it was discovered that his mother had already passed before she provided her ID.

Drael earlier asked whether it would help to collate the various persons who have had issues with Daniel Mandelbaum / Matthew Bonder.

In lieu of a list here's a few threads that can illuminate the issue - these were listed on page one, but hey, we're 40 pages in now, so a refresh isn't a bad idea is it?
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/468034.page
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/90/440271.page
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/408906.page

Makes for sorry reading...

Resin Forge wrote:We were scammed by the very law firm but we told them to put all 3 owners to be OPEN AND HONEST. We did not hide anyone. We will not provide pictures of IDs as Daniels mother did that last year before she passed away and was still told he's fake.

I still find the whole 'fake law firm' thing a little puzzling, to be honest.

Someone found an unused domain for a consusltancy firm that didn't exist, hacked that domain and set up a fake website, presented themselves to Resin Forge as a law firm (despite the website not actually being for a law firm) and charged them $100 to send a C&D letter to DakkaDakka, which they did and then disappeared into the night.

Really...?

For starters, since anyone can send a C&D, and the C&D that was charged for was actually sent, there doesn't seem to be a scam there.

And for seconds, what on earth was in it for the 'scammer'...? Seems like an awful lot of work to go to for the sake of $100.


As for Daniel's mother's ID not being accepted, the whole problem there was that by the time they got to the 'prove you're a real person' stage, it was already fairly apparent that the person behind the account wasn't a 60-year-old woman... and her claims to have no connection to Mandelbaum/Matt Bonder (not knowing him, never having met him, and driving accross town to 'confront him' about Alpharius' missing stuff, before sending Alpharius some of the miniatures he was owed out of her own pocket because she 'felt bad' about the way this person who she totes didn't know had treated him,,,) just made the whole thing look a little dodgy when it was revealed that she was actually his mother...


The problem Resin Forge has now is that they have dug themselves exactly the same sort of hole. They swore black and blue that Daniel had nothing to do with their company right up until the police report. They lied about Dakka pre-emptively suspending any account they tried to make. They lied about Dakka deleting posts and suspending anyone who defended them. They have the nonsense story about a ninja hacker and his dodgy law firm who ripped them off.

At this point, what reason does anyone have to trust anything that they say about who is and isn't involved with their business?

insaniak,

You are lying. They never said it was a NINJA hacker; only the regular kind.


Eric

Gamma / Dome:
I really think that this is worth pointing out to you, and to anyone else who has the slightest doubt about the ongoing issues.

This comes from a previous thread (I posted a link just a few minutes ago). Having read through the posts the overriding sense of déjà Vu is almost unbearable.

I'll let the post say it all:

 alarmingrick wrote:
As I'm typing this, I'm getting off the phone with Michael.
He wants a list of people who've been screwed over by Matthew.
During the conversation, he tells me Matthew is Daniel, but wait! Then
as the conversation progresses he states they are indeed 2 different people.
Translation for anyone not familiar with the RSO M.O. They're the same person,
but Michael let it slip, then had to cover himself.

But I digress. He wants a list of ANY/EVERYONE whole is owed either money or items
not sent. He wants Names, what the transgretion was, times dates. He's made it clear
he's not going to do anything like refund money. He made it sound like he wanted to
confront Daniel with it. If you want to, you can send it to me via PM. I personally don't
want to get involved with it. I'm supposed to email the list to the TTS gmail address after
it's completed. I say everyone owed items / money by either of RSO's personalities email
it directly there yourselves.

I found it REALLY weird during the phone call, he kept saying "What'll it take", like he was
wanting me to name a price or item it would take for me to shut up. I don't want anything
other than for not one more person to be screwed over by RSO. It'll take Michael shutting
down his son. Until then, whenever there's a chance for Daniel/Matthew/whoever the hell he
is to screw someone over, I'm going to try my very best to stop someone from having to go through
what Alpharius and I did. I don't think Michael is a bad person. I got the feeling from him I feel
sometimes myself. My kid's got me into more crap.

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Now, the part about wanting a list of any/everyone who is owed money by Daniel / Matthew is the SAME as what Kim / Jason offered - and what to date, has only seen one person refunded (and even for that one, it's been a long time coming).

Now do you realise with whom you deal?

Btw, and again for the record, Mandelbaum impersonated Susan Bisley, his mother, to me personally during the Lord.Serpius ebay account scandal. He did so while still using yet another alias, Matt Bonder... so an attempted double blind play. He admitted to this when confronted in PMs with me after a week or two of me asking the thread pertaining to that event to settle down as there was nothing conclusive yet. He tried to befriend me and make sure I continued to champion his cause as long as it lasted.

At the point where there were several slip-ups which definitively linked aspects of the bonder alias with the bisley alias, the jig was up. He copped to it with me, after several more attempts to pretend otherwise.

He took a picture of his mother and her id, then proceeded to continue to use her alias. Now he says we are the ones who mock and defile his dead mother... no one treated her worse than you Mandelbaum if you ask me.

Now this Stephanie 'Kim' Hernandez (because as you should all know, Kim is short for Stephanie) is his ex-wife from what can be seen from several sources. If he would use his mothers name, perhaps with, or perhaps without her knowledge, then I see no reason in the world he would not do the same to his ex.

Regardless, RF have completely obscurred that connection or attempted to, and the paypal is in her name as has been admitted. Now are we really going to pretend that given all that we should just take their word on anything at face value?

Come on.

You can't keep track of your cover identities and what you said to who Daniel, it always catches up with you.

I still find the whole 'fake law firm' thing a little puzzling, to be honest.

Someone found an unused domain for a consusltancy firm that didn't exist, hacked that domain and set up a fake website, presented themselves to Resin Forge as a law firm (despite the website not actually being for a law firm) and charged them $100 to send a C&D letter to DakkaDakka, which they did and then disappeared into the night.

Really...?

You forgot that the fake company website (as far as I know and remember, somebody saw it before?) was just set up when the C&D letter had been published on Dakka. Not when the letter was sent. And it suddenly disappeared after I and others pointed out (publicly) diverse webpages from which the content was copy pasted. Causing Resin Forge to accuse Lexicanum of using our invincible internet-fu to IMMEDIATELY have the fake company website deleted from the internet.
So let's say RF got scammed. How many people would believe that after the scammers had collected their money they would hang out (of ALL places) on Dakka and on Lexicanum's Facebook page, waiting for somebody to discover the content of their page was cobbled together from other page and just then delete it - before disappearing in the night? They had their money, what would have been the point?

Really really really?

Plus one very big dodo which I just notice now: Resin Forge sent MajorTom (or to somebody else ?) the "proof" that they had paid the scammers from "Kim Hernandez"'s paypal account - so if my memory serves me right here. Why on earth they didn't claim the money back? You know, 45 days paypal protection and such???

EDIT: it was yakface. not MajorTom11:

I can confirm that the 'real' Michael Duerkop did receive a paypal payment from Resin Forge, however at the time that payment was sent whomever was pretending to be Michael Duerkop (and had the Britcons.com website up and running) also had access to that paypal account.

Guys,
It is possible that the "legal company" set up to send the C&D is just one of us (or another community member not affiliated with Dakka at all) who wanted to know the truth.

Think about it for a moment.

You (as in the Dakka community) wanted to know who ran RF.
A super IT Ninja PI Legal Consul contacted RF and told them he will take legal action on their behalf for the measly sum of $100. (I really wish that's all it cost me for my solicitor. But that's beside the point.)
However (and here's the kicker) He/She must be informed of all the directors of RF, to file the appropriate paperwork.
They comply.
He/She sends a C&D to Dakka stating what everyone wants to know. (The Directors involved).

To me it seems simple:
YES RF was scammed by an unknown identity.
YES RF confirmed DM was a director.
YES you found out what you wanted to know.

Except by that point we already knew that Daniel was one of the owners, since he had confirmed it on Resin Forge's Facebook page. So as an information gathering exercise, it would have been pretty pointless.

Well, Kim called me, granted she made sure to do it after I was gone from the office. Here is the voicemail she left. I will note that the number she called from is a Google Mail phone number http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-760-705-8888

What can be heard is clearly scripted, and then ends up clipping and become impossible to understand amid the birds screaming in the background. From the voice I'd estimate at least 40 years of age.

What's better, is that the only way she could get my phone number is directly from Daniel, as I had only ever mentioned my extension here in this thread. I really wish I had forwarded calls to my cell, as I would have loved to speak with this person, but I am in no way giving out my personal number.

Kim, you are welcome to email me at my username at hotmail.com to give me some number I can call and actually speak to you at. Random Google phone numbers from Escondido aren't gonna cut it, and using such a number only hurts the claims that your business is legitimate. You could have just as easily called me from the support phone number, but you didn't.

Anyway, here for proof:

 Aerethan wrote:
Well, Kim called me, granted she made sure to do it after I was gone from the office. Here is the voicemail she left. I will note that the number she called from is a Google Mail phone number http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-760-705-8888

What can be heard is clearly scripted, and then ends up clipping and become impossible to understand amid the birds screaming in the background. From the voice I'd estimate at least 40 years of age.

What's better, is that the only way she could get my phone number is directly from Daniel, as I had only ever mentioned my extension here in this thread. I really wish I had forwarded calls to my cell, as I would have loved to speak with this person, but I am in no way giving out my personal number.

Kim, you are welcome to email me at my username at hotmail.com to give me some number I can call and actually speak to you at. Random Google phone numbers from Escondido aren't gonna cut it, and using such a number only hurts the claims that your business is legitimate. You could have just as easily called me from the support phone number, but you didn't.

Anyway, here for proof:

I had no issues understanding the portion that involved the screaming birds in the background. She is clearly stating (paraphrased) "If you contact me again it will be considered harassment. I hope to never hear from you or your colleagues again". Really? Have you or anyone connected to you contacted her/RF in any harassing manner?

It's the bit right before that where the audio clips that I can't understand.

Also, this is the first time I've ever had any contact with her or RF directly, other than a rather heated email chain last month which was with Daniel.

She called me, yet any attempt for me to contact her "again" is harassment? I emailed her after this asking for her to give me a legitimate number to call and try to square a few things. I doubt she'll respond.

Is it bad that I could hear a full on conversation with any woman saying that she wasn't Mandelbaum, and still not believe it?

I mean, this is the guy who got his mother to pose with a sign for him after all.


Daniel? I know you read this thread, so please take this as genuine heartfelt advice. Seek psychiatric help. Seriously. What you do is not normal, and will land you in serious trouble one of these days. You'll scam the wrong guy and get hurt, or drive away your real life friends and family, or fall afoul of the law for not paying your taxes (which judging by your unwillingness to provide a business registration number, I'm assuming you're dodging).

You have some real talent, I've seen some of your conversions in the past. Put it to good use. Talk to a psychologist, sort out your issues, and then if you decide its what you really want to do, start up a new business and be completely open about who you are. It might take a couple of years to win the community back and convince them you've reformed, but I've seen it done. Sort your head out first though, and stop all these identity charades. They don't fool anyone.

Only one word I couldn't understand myself. Here's the transcript as I can hear it;

Hi, this is Kim Hernandez. I am no way Daniel's ex-wife. I am a co-owner of Resin Forge and it is my account that receives payment including [*something*]. I am tired of being mentioned in all of this when Daniel Mandelbaum has already quit the company due to all the drama the past week. I have seen all the distrust about Daniel's mother and how when she proved who she was it meant nothing. I wish no further contact with you or your colleagues because clearly anything our company tries to prove to you is construed as a lie. If you attempt to contact me in anyway whatsoever it will be taken as direct harassment. Thank you for your time and I hope to never speak to any of you again thank you.

 AduroT wrote:
I have seen all the distrust about Daniel's mother and how when she proved who she was it meant nothing. .

That would be because when it was proved who she was, she wasn't who she had been claiming to be.

Funny how that works.

I'll say this again, Daniel, as Matt Bonder, admitted to who he was when I called him out in no uncertain terms after 30 or so PMs while pretending to be Susan Bisley.

There is no doubt at all. So, 'Kim', either get your facts straight or be called a liar. Get a clue, no one is going to believe Susan Bisley was selling FW bits on ebay at the age of 60 while ill and her absolutely untrustworthy son had nothing to do with it when famous for scheming in the mini world! ESPECIALLY AFTER HE ADMITTED IT WAS HIM LOL. If you exist, which I doubt, then you are being victimized by Daniels lies. If not, you are just Daniel kicking up smoke as usual. Either way, you are going to have to do far, far, far, better than your current (and historical) MO to get out of this one. Try honesty sometime. Might surprise you.

Sincerely, your friend, Napoleon Bonaparte.

Remember that one time when Susan, who had nothing to do with Daniel, called from his phone number before she hung up and called back from a blocked number? Those were the good times.

This "not-Daniel" business is bringing back so many flashbacks...

The fake phone number is what really seals in the freshness.

I find the vast majority of this almost comical. I would read a bit here and there and skip some of the posts ... I made a comment recently about the business tax ID number. One thing that I did not read about until just now was how he tried to feth with a man's livelihood.

Two things in this world are sacred, a man's money, and a man's wife. Aerethan (spelling?) you are a better man than me. I am not a violent man, but when I am pushed, I shove. TX is a 20 hour trip for me, but one that I would have made had he tried to get me run off from where I work.

Daniel ... if you are reading this you should take notes ... not all people that 'play with toy soldiers' are docile. Seek professional help before you get yourself into trouble with people who are not afraid to go back to prison. I really honestly do hope that you take the advice of myself and others that have said to seek help ... you really do need it.

I found out a very long time ago that if you lie, it is often very hard to keep straight what lies you have told to who. People who know me know that they should be careful what they ask me ... because I am honest, almost to the point of brutality, but they know it is the truth. It is a far easier way to live. I am no psychologist, nor am I a psychoanalyst .... but even I can tell from this thread that you have problems. Ray Charles could see that.

OT: That phone call was about a joke ... I am at a loss for words.

I think that the "if you contact me again" was to ensure that she didn't receive any potentially harassing phone calls in return.

Though the bird made it hard to listen .

Classic cadence and stilted, oddly paced monotone delivery of someone reading who stumbled at a point and then got nervous trying to get back on script if you ask me... of course, that is really nothing I can back up concretely, but it sure does sound a bit weird wouldn't you say?

 Alfndrate wrote:
I think that the "if you contact me again" was to ensure that she didn't receive any potentially harassing phone calls in return.

Though the bird made it hard to listen .

Which would have made sense if she had called from a real phone number and not a google mail number

Not really, I used to use my google voice number when I wanted to text people not on my network or to call people that I didn't want to have my real number. Its not terribly suspect, but that, coupled with the fact that its coming from a company/person that is hiding behind the internet.

But that's just my experience.

At a minimum, this is scripted. Whether Kim is a real person, or whatever, they were definitely reading from a piece of paper or a computer screen. Watch a real written confession or something along those lines being read, it sounds nearly identical through cadence, fairly monotone voice, breathing pattern and virtual lack of verbal punctuation.

Can ANYONE make out the noise in the background that starts at 12 seconds? It sounds like feedback or something, but I can't make it out. Not that it is, or is not relevant, I'm just wondering what it is.