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Oh well, I guess my Christmas bonus must go to buy these turrets.

OMFG it's sweet. Is there anything Forgeworld cannot do that is not super cool?

Agamemnon2006

The Shape of Things To Come

Those of you who attended either Games Day Spain or the Scale Model World event in Telford last weekend may well have seen a sneak peek of some of our planned releases for the New Year, and just so you dont miss out -we`ve decided to include them in our newsletter too. You can see the first glimpse of our third Death Korps Infantry squad here. You can also see the first of our forthcoming range of new pattern Leman Russ tanks and variants in the works for the Death Korps <strong title="http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/dkklr.htm">here[/b]. The model you can see pictured is one of at least six Death Korps of Krieg Leman Russes, and having seen this and its brethren I know they`re going to make fantastic additions to any Imperial Guard army or Armoured Company, Death Korps or not! So, as you can see the future is bright (or `dark` perhaps would be more apt) for the Death Korps in the New Year, as we to continue to expand the range in the run up to Imperial Armour Volume Five.

This is freakin awesome...I'd love to see a big 5000+ points army of Deathkorps battling against Chaos scum.

It's still nowhere near affordable for me, but it's even just nice to look at them.

Greets
Schepp himself

after looking through the new releases this does mean that dave will officially be collecting a 1500pt kreig army once his 3000pt cadian guard army is finished (ok so started - well the tanks are at least!!! lol) its just so damn costly been a FW ig junkie! lol
the details on all the krieg stuff is awesome but i especailly like some of the trench raider upgrades on the russ like the rockers on the back and the filters on everything - not much use when the turrets open though is it??
other then that some bloody good stuff coming up
millest

Not sure but I think I saw a Russ heavy artilery variant in the drawings submitted at the UKGD. It looks like one of those huge M110s the US used in Vietnam. I hope they come out with that.

Its pretty bad when I find the new stuff on Dakka before I get the email from FW.....

I'm still not a huge fan of the DK, but I like the turret. The battle cannon always struck me as too stubby.

I ripped these links of, check out the whole page you can see the other Turrets, most or just revamped turrets....still cool. Also shows some rough rider mounts....


http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57158

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50354

Posted By Schepp himself on 11/22/2006 12:02 PM
This is freakin awesome...I'd love to see a big 5000+ points army of Deathkorps battling against Chaos scum.

It's still nowhere near affordable for me, but it's even just nice to look at them.

Greets
Schepp himself

I'm with you.

You're right, that Russ canon is sweet.

Damn it! I don't need more Russes Anyone want to trade or buy some old FW kits?

They really need to release that turret seperately... I'm not too keen on the rear body kit simply because it clashes so blatently with the dozen or so tanks I already have from FW

The Trench Wheelie Bar on the Russ is awesome to the max. We just need some comsumptive poets and a Space Sopwith Camel to put the icing on this regiment's cake.

Posted By Jester on 11/22/2006 7:33 PM
 We just need some comsumptive poets and a Space Sopwith Camel to put the icing on this regiment's cake.

And a winning lottery ticket so I can build a Death Korps army......but hey, I can dream can't I?


As far as poets go:

_{Dulce Et Decorum Est}

Bent double, like old beggars under sacks, 
Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge, 
Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs 
And towards our distant rest began to trudge. 
Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots 
But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind; 
Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots 
Of tired, outstripped Five-Nines that dropped behind.

Gas! Gas! Quick, boys! –  An ecstasy of fumbling, 
Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time; 
But someone still was yelling out and stumbling, 
And flound'ring like a man in fire or lime . . . 
Dim, through the misty panes and thick green light, 
As under a green sea, I saw him drowning. 
In all my dreams, before my helpless sight, 
He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning. 

If in some smothering dreams you too could pace 
Behind the wagon that we flung him in, 
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face, 
His hanging face, like a devil's sick of sin; 
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood 
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs, 
Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud 
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues, 
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest 
To children ardent for some desperate glory, 
The old Lie; Dulce et Decorum est 
Pro patria mori.

This happens to be my favorite poem.  I thought it was appropriate for the subject.

Hordini, I think I can only properly respond with one question: why do you hate America?

Sweet merciful Emperor! That's so cool... sucks cause I'm already making tank commander that's all kreiged out for my conqueror.

Dude those tanks are friggin sweet.

Capt K

I wonder if my other post was deleted? If so, .

I like everything posted there except the one DK soldier on the right -- too beh.

Posted By bigchris1313 on 11/23/2006 10:15 AM
Hordini, I think I can only properly respond with one question: why do you hate America?

He has a love hate thing with America, that is to say that there are some things about America that he doesn't like (Capitalism, Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders Charity Bikini Carwashes, Freedom), and things about America that he does(dissent, his theory that Del Monte and Green Giant cream corn are in fact the same thing, saying that Bush is the AntiChrist, the safety of knowing that he won't be brought to sobbing orgasm by riot truncheon for expressing any of the above, and Al Franken's sharp-tongued witicisms).

And those sideburns.  He's a rakehell, make no mistake.

You're right though. They should make a limited edition Kriegsman, sitting on a rock with a pen and pad, looking up and trying to think of what to write.

Posted By bigchris1313 on 11/23/2006 10:15 AM
Hordini, I think I can only properly respond with one question: why do you hate America?

I hate the Taste of Freedom!

 

 

 

And yeah, these tanks, and the entire line, are amazing.  I could never afford all that resin, but I sure look forward to the next FW book with all the rules and stories in it.

I want to know what's on the back of the Russ? Some weird device like thing.

It's to keep the tank from rolling over on its back when climbing out of a trench.

Or a super awesome wheelie bar.

FW seems to be kicking out great stuff at a much faster pace than the rest of the company? Is it because the main GW lines get held back and released en masse with new codice or are the FW sculptors just more productive?

I would say that your points are very true. Since FW aren't tied to conventional release schedules (codex's or summer campiagns) they have a lot more freedom to release stuff when and how they want. I also believe that forgeworld sculptors are more creative and productive since they can work on the cool projects that they want to  and not the cost affective more rigid limititations of the main company.

I know that when FW first told GW that they wanted to make infantry GW laughed. A lot of the senior management people told the FW team that they could only make tanks and that it would never happen. Then they released the Elysians... now FW infantry is a huge success and they do very well. Most of this is due to the inflated prices they charge (The cost of production is nothing compared to what they claim. They artificially keep prices high to maintain that prestige element). However considering the constant rise in standard GW prices I'm starting to feel that its not that bad.

At least with FW products I know that the quailty, creativity, and passion is 100% more than GW. The Imperial Armour books (especially Taros for example) were great books with loads of background and character and really reminded me of the old Realms of chaos hard backs in terms of quality, and dedication/passion. The detail and charatcer of infantry sculpts way surpass GW plastics or metals. Even on basic models such as tank commanders or the tech priests.

If we consider that standard GW plastic sets are now 18 pounds, and metal box sets are 25 for ten, then the 30 pounds FW charge for Death Korp and Elyians isn't that far off. Cost wise it would most probably cost you as much to buy a Vostroyan, Steel legion, Tallarn, or Death Korp of Krieg Army.

Fw is the only place I buy Citadel product anymore.

Dumb question: with the hull bolter being in fixed position, would that effect the rules for the gun?

It's not fixed. It is simulating a ball mount wrapped with a canvas dust cover. Similar to what tanks used to do with their main guns and WW2 bomber aircraft used often for tail guns. So rules wise it has the same coverage as the Russ lascannon. This is the same setup as on the Chimera.

Thanks for the reply and FW done a much better job of it than GW done with the Chimera hull bolter. Still FW failed to duplicate the gimbal or ball turret mount as the hull bolter is severely restricted in horizontal axis compare to a bog standard Leman Russ, but  does a better vertical axis. More realistic and safer to replace the whole setup with a oversized gimbal mount scaled to fit bolter or lascannon (if available) inside it, leaving only the barrel sticking out.

Forgeworld can do things much more quickly than GW because mould making for resin is very quick, taking only a few days at most. Plastic moulds are slow and expensive to make but the product cost is very low. I do not know about metal casting at all in comparison ? unless you are talking about sand moulds!
Resin moulds are rubber ? mix in a hardener and pour it over the master then let it set. Ideally you use a vacuum tank to prevent air bubbles from forming. There are different grades of rubber for different jobs ? up to high temperature rubber for low melt metal casting.

An unditching tail like a Renault FT-17 light tank was an idea I played with a few years ago but never proceeded with, now I wish I had. It should be an easy enough job using plastic card and a compass cutter and punch and die set. A good way of filling in that awkward space at the back of a Russ and something you can add a lot of stowage to.

Some of the pictures reminded me of Great War French infantry rather than German, I think it must have been the great coats.

Instead of a Centaur you could buy a 1/48th scale Tamiya Universal Carrier or if you are a cheapskate like me an easy build tank such as those by Hat and now Italeri and Pegasus to provide the running gear and scratchbuild a hull. Weirdly a Sentinel cab might be useful as they bear striking resemblance to the cabs of some of the modern very light ATVs that they keep trying to sell to the militaries.

A heavy mortar should be an easy enough thing to scratchbuild from plastic tubing, GW plastic wheels are easy enough to get and the carriage is the only tricky bit. Emhar do a couple of lovely little 1/35th scale Great War British and German infantry guns that might be suitable donor kits unless a smaller scale 1/72nd scale kit has any bits worth stealing?

The possibility of a new heavy artillery piece has me stupidly excited. I have been trying to work out how to do one for years without any great success, the problem being cost as the most attractive donors for the running gear made it prohibitively expensive ? the Emhar 1/35th Whippet and bizarrely a SIku diecast crawler crane. The quick and simple 1/35th scale digger kits from Revell offer definite possibilities though.

Posted By klingsor on 11/28/2006 5:51 AM
:words of truthery:

You, sir, know your modeling onions and I for one welcome you into our loving (if slightly wet and sticky) embrace! Seriously, welcome to Dakka!

Those really are some great tips on how to do a lot of FW's stuff yourself. Forgeworld's super crappy resin casting process makes it's pretty clear they don't vacuum chamber when casting the resin, nor do they allow the castings to cure long enough to properly set. Not to mention the stretched to the limit with filler resin. Given this, and the problems you're going to have correcting the castings, it's almost easier to scratch your own.

As far as metal castings go, they take a little more work than resin, but not much, and have some specialized eqipment of their own. The orginals also have (or at least had) to withstand the vulcanizing process when creating the master mold. GW then uses the master to create the circular RTV molds used for spin casting. Initial set up cost is a little higher than resin, but the molds last much longer and it is nowhere near the cost of setting up a plastic kit. With their set-up in place, they really have about the same turn around time as resin, it's just a choice of whether to do it or not.

I am going to say it again, but I have ordered and put together a good amount of Forge World stuff, and I have not had any problems with it. In fact it is a lot better than a lot of model manufacturers resin products for tanks and plane kits I used to deal with.

I do plan on eventually buying a lot of the Death Korp stuff, with little apprehension.

Scratch building can be fun, and I salute you sir, but for some of us there are not just enough hours in the day. i

Posted By Toreador on 11/28/2006 3:35 PM
I am going to say it again, but I have ordered and put together a good amount of Forge World stuff, and I have not had any problems with it. In fact it is a lot better than a lot of model manufacturers resin products for tanks and plane kits I used to deal with.

I do plan on eventually buying a lot of the Death Korp stuff, with little apprehension.

Scratch building can be fun, and I salute you sir, but for some of us there are not just enough hours in the day.

Well good for you, but every single item I've ordered from FW or picked up at a Games Day has been horribly cast, warped, excessive air-bubbles, poorly designed (the casting that is), and so on. So much so that not only is it cheaper financially, given time spent correcting the casting flaws, it also takes less time to just scratchbuild or find alternate non-FW items (like 1/35 kits). I also know I'm not alone in this, as plenty of others have stated how bad FW's resin castings are. The sculpts themselves are beautiful, but damn are the castings flawed *especially* when compared to aftermarket resin accessories (that aren't garage produced).