Mantic Dungeon Saga Kickstarter - Completed! $1,057,975 total, 5,963 backers

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**angelofvengeance**

We're sure knocking these stretch goals down eh?

**The_Real_Chris**

GrimDork wrote:
Well, the "Advanced Rules" they keep mentioning but that don't exist yet and may not until the very last moments of production (I'm looking at you DZ AI rules...) are supposed to allow you to use anything for your custom dungeon, with the large bestiary from the unlocked KoW units.

I suspect you would get some use of them between the dungeon journal or whatever they're calling it and the advanced rules, but I do understand your fears, certainly I have more deadzone models than I could ever possibly use, and in the case of enforcers it's a ridiculous ratio of fieldable/owned.

I think you are supposed to melt each enforcer after it dies in game?

**greenskin lynn**

The_Real_Chris wrote:
GrimDork wrote:
Well, the "Advanced Rules" they keep mentioning but that don't exist yet and may not until the very last moments of production (I'm looking at you DZ AI rules...) are supposed to allow you to use anything for your custom dungeon, with the large bestiary from the unlocked KoW units.

I suspect you would get some use of them between the dungeon journal or whatever they're calling it and the advanced rules, but I do understand your fears, certainly I have more deadzone models than I could ever possibly use, and in the case of enforcers it's a ridiculous ratio of fieldable/owned.

I think you are supposed to melt each enforcer after it dies in game?

nah, you have each one wear a firecracker or the like as a backpack, and when they die you light it to shot their ammo cooking off

**GrimDork**

Heh, I probably could afford to, especially given how few games I get in...

Looks like we're 3k past the dreaded 525, and a bit less than 2k from adding succubi, sweet!

**Yonan**

Anyone else tempted to get a resin succubi if the sculpt is as good as the concept? If they offer it in resin.

**Krinsath**

Yonan wrote:
Anyone else tempted to get a resin succubi if the sculpt is as good as the concept?

This is my concern. I do like the concept art and I'm woefully short of female demons in my collection, but I'm not sure I have full faith that the model will turn out that way. It does make the offering more interesting though since while I have loads of undead and really don't care for greenskins, I've not had a huge collection of demons in general.

**Yonan**

Yeah I like the style of them from the concept, but boardgame plastic and transition of art to sculpt are two substantial points of failure hehe.

**Da Boss**

They just added some more value to the main pledge for those of us who aren't big on the models in the form of new scenarios.

I figure they're not going to do anything massively interesting with this in the next seven days, but if they keep adding value like that then I will consider keeping my pledge where it is despite the cash flow problems.

**Talking Banana**

I'm not particularly into fantasy, and I'm leery of investing in another boardgame plastic Mantic game sight unseen. But I intend to stay in this one for about $25+ worth of resin figure exclusives.

I won't be buying any $50 resin bundle deals, though, so my final tally will depend on which figures they end up offering for individual sale.

**GrimDork**

I have a feeling they will add doors before its over, people have been clamoring for them and it will add value to the box.
That may bring a small spike.

If they add more painted pledge levels, an all resin dungeon master pledge, an all resin painted set, etc... we may see some spikes too.

This has been a fun campaign, no major slowdowns so far and we are rapidly closing with the last 2-3 days. One more paycheck for a lot of us before the end.

**Necros**

I'm in for the game plus both expansions. I wasn't gonna add the expansions but I thought why not. If they end up doing a 3rd though I probably won't be able to afford that.

**Pacific**

Don't think this update has been posted yet? Just over $535 at time of writing

Project Update #37: This is Torture!
UNLOCKED! Abyssal Succubi!

Wahey, we’re really cooking on gas today!

We’ve now unlocked the Abyssal Succubus, a new enemy type for your heroes to battle against.

We’ve included one in the Dungeon Master pledge level for you to use on your adventures, and we’ve added two to the Infernal Crypts expansion pack to further enhance the variety and challenge of the set:

These new enemies are powerful foes for your heroes – you’re going to require more than skill and luck if you hope to dispatch these enemies effectively.

With this next goal we’re continuing on this same theme, giving you new and interesting enemy types to combat and increase the value of the expansion pack.

New Stretch Goal
$545,000 BONUS Abyssal Tortured Souls

As terrifying and inimical to life as the Abyss may be, there will always be those in the mortal world who seek power, fame or simply wealth, and will set out on ill-advised expeditions into the depths. Of those that do, none have ever returned, though this doesn’t stop others trying. Were they to know the true fate of those unfortunates who disappear, they may indeed think twice. The degenerates known as ‘Tortured Souls’ are those warriors, mages and adventurers who thought themselves talented, strong or lucky enough to defy the Abyss itself. Stripped of all identity, they are little better than beasts now, driven before the armies of the Abyss like mongrels to mob the enemy and provide fodder for their weapons. The chains which twine around them are forged from soul-iron, and prevent their very essences from leaving their physical form even in death. In this way, they will be resurrected time and again after every battle, to once more be thrown forwards to die, their souls in eternal torment.

If we hit this stretch goal, we will produce the Tortured Souls and will:
- Include two of these miniatures in the Infernal Crypts expansion pack ($25)
- Include one of this miniature in a pledge of Dungeon Master ($100 and Early Bird)

Because it’s a Public Holiday here in the UK, we also going to release a new Backer Stretch Goal to get you more game for your money!

You’ve got some very exciting new miniatures in your Dungeon Master pledge with the Greenskins and Abyssals. You get all the stats and rules required to use them in the Adventurer's Companion, perfect if you want to build your own adventures and add some variety and spice to your quests.

With this next stretch goal, we’re going to add some bonus missions of our own design to proceedings, each with there own strong narrative, that makes further use of these figures!

3,850 Backer Stretch Goal: BONUS SCENARIOS!

When we break this stretch goal, we will add:
- 2 scenarios to your Kickstarter Exclusive Dungeon Journal that sees our heroes take on the mighty Greenskins!
- 2 scenarios to your Kickstarter Exclusive Dungeon Journal that pits your heroes against the demonic hordes of the Abyss!

These four bonus scenarios give you brand new quests for your heroes to undertake. They supplement your adventure and the expansion packs with new challenges that will test your mettle and your resolve. Who knows, they might even see a mixed force to fight against...

Draw your swords and prepare for battle folks - let's get these goals beaten!

**Compel**

I've got to admit, considering how well this kickstarter is going, it's kinda well, a bit boring I find.

Basically, I've really looked at it about 3 times since its opened.

Once to add the Legendary Heroes set
Once to add the Goblin Campaign and some extra counters
Once to add the Abyssal Campaign

And that's about it, there hasn't really seemed to be anything for me to go and look at for it.

**GrimDork**

Maybe you're just hitting burn-out from doing a bunch of kickstarters?

Though it is kind of true, there haven't been any enormous monsters and such.

**Talking Banana**

Yeah, I was a bit surprised when they said the lizard-riding goblin wasn't for this game and won't be making an appearance.

**Bolognesus**

...Oh. Well, that's just convinced me my pledge won't go over the current USD 1 any more, then. shame, I really want that particular mini...

**carlos13th**

I wont back this but it seems like it might be fun to pick up and play with the Gf or some mates once its out for retail.

**willb2064**

Yonan wrote:
Anyone else tempted to get a resin succubi if the sculpt is as good as the concept? If they offer it in resin.

I am. But given that translating concept art into passable sculpts isn't exactly Mantic's strength, I'll wait for retail.

**Yonan**

willb2064 wrote:
Yonan wrote:
Anyone else tempted to get a resin succubi if the sculpt is as good as the concept? If they offer it in resin.

I am. But given that translating concept art into passable sculpts isn't exactly Mantic's strength, I'll wait for retail.

If you want resin you'll have to pledge as they're kickstarter exclusive. If you wait until retail you'll get boardgame plastic. Most of mantics sculpts come out well imo, but yeah there is the odd case of it coming out bad purely due to sculpt rather than a material related issue.

**Azazelx**

I think you're being a bit generous with "most" at this stage. They're definitely getting better, but I wouldn't give them "most" quite yet...

**Herzlos**

I'll be dropping out of this one, so if anyone wants to co-ordinate for the EB I've camped on let me know.

I'm just not sure enough about the board game plastics or restic, and have enough of this stuff already (including about $200 spend on SDE), so I'll be giving my credit card a chance to recover and looking at it at retail.

Edit: Cancelled now, 1 EB is available for a few minutes at least.

**angelofvengeance**

New Stretch Goal boys and girls-

Update #38

That’s done it – the Tortured Souls are locked in and done!

That’s two new miniatures added to the Infernal Crypts expansion pack and one new model added to the Dungeon Master pledge level!!

The next stretch goal is a bit bigger than the last few – not least because we’re funding some nice big monsters for you to fight against and a new mission to play. Not only will this give you greater value in the expansion and pledge level, but it’ll also provide more variety and more challenge for your heroes.

With the influx of new backers we are getting plus the final Add-on Wednesday of the campaign coming tomorrow, it won’t take long to break down either – and once we’re through it we’re on to talking about all things Adventurer’s Companion later this week.

Before we get to the next stretch goal however…
Expansion Packs

We’ve updated the Expansion pack graphics to include Warlord and Demon Panels – dashboards that give the controlling player their stats and special rules.

We’ve also clarified whether the expansion packs have A.I. and Solo Play options - and we’re pleased to say that they do!

This means both expansion sets have A.I. decks included so that you can add them to your dungeon and have the cards control the opponent whilst you, your mates or your family team up to conquer the bad-guys!
http://quirkworthy.com/2014/08/25/bad-guy-ai-in-dungeon-sagas/
Alpha Core Rules

The response to the Alpha Core Rules has been fantastic and the level and quality of feedback we are getting is great – please keep it coming.

With this information we can start refining and tweaking the rules. Jake has put together this http://quirkworthy.com/2014/08/21/a-brief-de-alpha-update/ clarifying some of the mechanics and responding to your feedback.

New Stretch Goal!

$570,000 BONUS Abyssal Molochs

Huge lumbering beasts the size of an Ogre, the Molochs are similar to the Abyssal Warriors in practically every way but their stature. They tend to be fairly solitary creatures, due to the nature of the Abyss, where constant fighting for supremacy is the norm. Occasionally they have been known to band together into small groups, but these never last for long before another bout of infighting breaks out.

A big goal for big-troll sized demons, the Abyssal Molochs are hulking beasts of war, and come supplied on integrated 50mm x 50mm bases. These big bad boys are among the most terrifying denizens of the Abyss.

You’ll need all your wits about you when fighting a demonic Moloch lest your heroes be torn apart by sheer brute force…

If we hit this stretch goal, we will produce the large troll-sized Abyssal Molochs and will:

- Include two of these miniatures in the Infernal Crypts expansion pack ($25)!

- Include one of this miniature in a pledge of Dungeon Master ($100 and Early Bird)!

- Add a bonus seventh scenario to the Infernal Crypts expansion pack!

These hulking beasts add a great deal of value to your Expansion Pack and the Dungeon Master pledge level, whilst the new scenario gives you a new quest to undertake!

And there you have it folks, a brand new large enemy to fight against, a new scenario to play, A.I. cards in the expansions and a feature on the Adventurer's Companion coming up - and the final Add-on Wednesday to look forward to!

**Alpharius**

I see they're sticking with the 'too short' legs look that first showed up a long ways back.

That's a shame...

**judgedoug**

Alpharius wrote:
I see they're sticking with the 'too short' legs look that first showed up a long ways back.

That's a shame...

Yup, same art (just colorized) as shown for KoW.

Unfortunately, now Mantic is doomed. Producing these Molochs to the concept art will make everyone groan as the legs are too short; changing them from the concept art into a different model will make everyone groan as the models then don't match the concept art.

**Rolt**

Good the see the Abyssal army is finally becoming at real thing after all this time, I just severely hope they have improved the
Molochs sculpts since we last saw them.

**agnosto**

Alpharius wrote:
I see they're sticking with the 'too short' legs look that first showed up a long ways back.

That's a shame...

Because nothing screams "Lord of the Underworld!!!" like a waddling, pot-bellied monster leaning on his weapon...

**edlowe**

And heres a pic of what could be the sculpts from the open day

**Rolt**

Yep Edlowe those are ones, the details might be good but the proportions seem so awkward from a distance I can't imagine they look much better up close either,
its the lone neck that seems to really empathizes it although the artwork above does have some sort of armored neck bracer which my fix it (somewhat) providing
its included on the final model.

Oh well wait for Mantics beauty shots I guess.

**Alpharius**

I suppose by now I should realize that this is part of Mantic's "House Style" and in a way, I'm grateful as it makes it easier to resist pledging.

But I kind of like the concept art, it just isn't something that translates well into a miniature for me.

So close... Dare I say? ...almost enough to get me to pledge!

**Gallahad**

Those Molochs look like they were sculpted by the same person that did the stage two plague for Deadzone, in other words, someone who has no idea how shoulder anatomy works.