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 H.B.M.C. wrote:


All the community post said is that it wasn't End Times, because End Times was a Warhammer Fantasy thing. Of course, this one isn't called End Times. It's called Gathering Storm.

Ok, seriously fed the hell up with the AoS garbage that we can't go a page without being inundated with the idiocy.


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 BloodGrin wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:


All the community post said is that it wasn't End Times, because End Times was a Warhammer Fantasy thing. Of course, this one isn't called End Times. It's called Gathering Storm.

Ok, seriously fed the hell up with the AoS garbage that we can't go a page without being inundated with the idiocy.

And for the record Fenris is not destroyed, Cadia is in the Warp which leaves the door open for some interesting story down the line.
I have rarely been so embarrassed of fellow people that play this game

 BloodGrin wrote:

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:


All the community post said is that it wasn't End Times, because End Times was a Warhammer Fantasy thing. Of course, this one isn't called End Times. It's called Gathering Storm.

Ok, seriously fed the hell up with the AoS garbage that we can't go a page without being inundated with the idiocy.


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 BloodGrin wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:


All the community post said is that it wasn't End Times, because End Times was a Warhammer Fantasy thing. Of course, this one isn't called End Times. It's called Gathering Storm.

Ok, seriously fed the hell up with the AoS garbage that we can't go a page without being inundated with the idiocy.

And for the record Fenris is not destroyed, Cadia is in the Warp which leaves the door open for some interesting story down the line.
I have rarely been so embarrassed of fellow people that play this game

Chill some people have strong opinions on AOS.

I wonder if GW will do an AOS light on 40K, we shall see

 BloodGrin wrote:

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:


All the community post said is that it wasn't End Times, because End Times was a Warhammer Fantasy thing. Of course, this one isn't called End Times. It's called Gathering Storm.

Ok, seriously fed the hell up with the AoS garbage that we can't go a page without being inundated with the idiocy.

Honestly, if you put a fraction of the effort into posting constructive content as you do criticising other users for writing things you disagree with, you'd be one of the most respected posters on the board.

"AOSing" is a short hand term, it may mean slightly different things to different people, but we have it on good authority (both Panda and Atia have mentioned similar things at this point) that GW aren't happy with 7th and 8th will be simplified. This mirrors the same thinking in many ways of the transition from WHFB to AOS. That 40K will be subject to a similar process is almost entirely beyond doubt, the only thing up for debate is the magnitiutde of the changes.

I suggest you make your peace with this and move on.

 Azreal13 wrote:
No, no, they're right.

The End Times was WHFB, 40K is getting the Tyme Of Ending™

And Sigmarines totally aren't Space Marines.

Yep totally different and not the same thing dude. In a certain way, I don't think GW is idiotic enough to completely blow up their golden goose. On the other side, there's starting to be much too many similarites between the End time and this for me to not be worried a bit. I enjoyed the End times tremendously, but the Aftermath (AOS) was so gakky that I can't do the same with the TYme of Ending (and I wasn't opposed to some changes, but not these changes ) At this point, it's starting to look pretty obvious that they are hitting the reset button for 8th edition. The only thing that's unknown is if it's a hard or a soft reset.

Well my money's on restriction of free movement while still retaining some sort of access to the common market. (That's a very British joke, don't feel bad if it makes no sense.)

GW consider AoS to be a massive success, why wouldn't they try it again?

 Azreal13 wrote:

 BloodGrin wrote:

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 H.B.M.C. wrote:


All the community post said is that it wasn't End Times, because End Times was a Warhammer Fantasy thing. Of course, this one isn't called End Times. It's called Gathering Storm.

Ok, seriously fed the hell up with the AoS garbage that we can't go a page without being inundated with the idiocy.

Honestly, if you put a fraction of the effort into posting constructive content as you do criticising other users for writing things you disagree with, you'd be one of the most respected posters on the board.

"AOSing" is a short hand term, it may mean slightly different things to different people, but we have it on good authority (both Panda and Atia have mentioned similar things at this point) that GW aren't happy with 7th and 8th will be simplified. This mirrors the same thinking in many ways of the transition from WHFB to AOS. That 40K will be subject to a similar process is almost entirely beyond doubt, the only thing up for debate is the magnitiutde of the changes.

I suggest you make your peace with this and move on.

They, and others have also said straight out that it will not be like Aos.
There will be no losing armies, it is a storyline.
They and othershave also said that there will not be drastic changes as well


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Joyboozer wrote:
GW consider AoS to be a massive success, why wouldn't they try it again?

Because it wasn't a massive success, it was a disaster.
It took alot of time and effort to turn it around to where it is now.

Joyboozer wrote:
GW consider AoS to be a massive success, why wouldn't they try it again?

You take a vague statement in a financial report as Gospel ????
Even if it was a disaster, they'll always try to present their results in a good light

 Imateria wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

- There's something called the Exhumed who can harvest the power of soulstones to use as weapons and amplifiers. They basically call to the spirits within them to vaporise folks and to buff their psychic powers.

That reminds me a lot of the Bloodstone an Incubi Klaivex used to be able to take in the 5th ed codex, it was a One Use Only S3, AP3 flamer. Fluff was that it was the Soulstone of a fallen Aspect Warrior, preferably the Exarch to a Striking Scorpion Shrine, weaponised so that when crushed it released a wave of energy.


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 Gamgee wrote:
Yeah this is kinda killing the DE vibes for me. I may dump my army depending on lore advancements. Thankfully I knew better than to invest too heavily in DE and don't have much.

At this rate with Trollzyn being so cool I might have to make that Necron army after all.

What, not more predictions that DE are absolutely, definitely going to get a major codex update this year?

Nah even if they get a model my mood for the DE is kinda going down. It really depends on how they are used in the story I guess. On the table top all of this just makes craftworld eldar better and while I don't play anymore someday I might and right now its looking like the strong get stronger. Also I never predicted a new codex for the DE that would be silly, but I do hope there are Dark Eldar only formations in the book (which I highly doubt so I will likely be wrong). I said they would likely get a single model this entire year. And last I checked it's only January, but I also said if I was going to be wrong on something this year it would be that and it's not looking good. Still the fat lady hasn't sung yet. I was partially correct about Ynead though just wrong on when I expected them to show up with models. I also thought they would get a whole sub faction army. I guess technically they are since they take models from all Eldar? Kinda sorta. I still think that if Exodites are ever going to have a chance to make a relevant appearance it's this year.

But again, it's what the internets say.
People wonder why all the speculation and gak happens, it's because other people are endlessly defending GWs decisions using their own opinions as proof.
GW have not said they aren't AoSing 40k. They haven't said there won't be legacied armies. They have an outlet through which they can easily address people's concerns, but they choose not to use it.

 BloodGrin wrote:
Because it wasn't a massive success, it was a disaster.
It took alot of time and effort to turn it around to where it is now.

Oh like getting couple million less votes means winning popular vote for Trump? One of the narrowest elector vote count differences is "landslide victory"?

Just because something was something doesn't mean everybody thinks it was same. In otherwords GW could invent justifications to them calling it massive success. For example "it's a long term project so it doesn't need to sell big in the start to be massive success".

GW guys at the top are humans and not computers. Humans make mistakes. Ergo GW guys at the top too WILL make mistakes just like everyone else. Question is just where they make mistake.

Full blown AOS'ification? Nope not likely. But game will be likely taking turn to style I don't like and 100% of new fluff they have written is completely unusable for me so ah well. Looks like 8th edition doesn't offer anything to me.

The thing about the 40k setting is that at a certain point they had developed it to level the where it was distinct/memorable and near perfect. And remember this is a setting as backdrop to a miniatures game.

The setting in regards to the game doesn't need to change, I can understand advances in the black library novels etc. But changing the fundamentals of a beloved race for the sake of progressing the story and pushing a couple models is bound of cause problems. I for one hated the revamp of the Necrons. And this looks to be on the same level of bad.

I personally look to the 4th edition Eldar codex as the definitive concept of the Eldar as a race, and then fifth edition DE as the best version of the DE.

Since then GW has made advances to tone down the violence, sexualized imagery and has went deeper into high fantasy and a whole lot of nonsense.

Yeah the new models are some of the best they have done in a while, but 40k as a universe is going to continuously suffer IMO. It's going to make forgeworlds heresy stuff look even better over time.

Simplified isn't AOSing by any stretch if the imagination - the similarities gameplay wise between AOS and FB start and end with 'they use dice'.

domlets not blow what simplifying means out of proportion - if they manage to make changes that make the game flow smoother, I think we would be all happy, no?

Personally I applaud the concept of blowing up key settings/factions for the progression of the storyline.

If you have a Chadian army or biel-tan eldar, they still exist and we're off world/on a ship somewhere etc. The difference now is it opens the doors for them to get new stuff, rules and models wise. It also allows for more interesting narratives in the main setting without invalidating anything.

With some luck we could maybe see a 4th eldar faction come out of this, one with radically different skills, abilities and even visual style. All without invalidating anyone's collections or a fluff recon.

Dudeface wrote:
Personally I applaud the concept of blowing up key settings/factions for the progression of the storyline.

If you have a Chadian army or biel-tan eldar, they still exist and we're off world/on a ship somewhere etc. The difference now is it opens the doors for them to get new stuff, rules and models wise. It also allows for more interesting narratives in the main setting without invalidating anything.

With some luck we could maybe see a 4th eldar faction come out of this, one with radically different skills, abilities and even visual style. All without invalidating anyone's collections or a fluff recon.

Yeah, totally. Before, Cadians were known for guarding the eye of terror, but they were generally a pretty vanilla-but-effective/well trained imperial guard force. Now that their home got blown up and sent to the warp, they have a new angle of being like ultramarine Tyrannic War Veterans but for the imperial guard and against daemons rather than Tyranids.

Do I have to burn my Tyranids now?

 Symbio Joe wrote:
Do I have to burn my Tyranids now?

If you haven't at this point I think they're ok. Can't get much worse.

I don't necessarily have a problem with them blowing up the fluff, even if I may not like the new direction they take. In this case, I would simply use the old one and based my armies around it (and the amount of stuff I didn't read would mean I've still got at least 5 years of ''new'' readings). What terrifies me is the possibility the ruleset of 8th edition will be similar to AoS (an abomination of a game IMO). I'm gonna keep my fingers crossed and, while I don't think the changes are gonna be as dramatic (though I didn't believe beforehand that the ''9th'' edition of Fantasy would have been something so different either), I'm gonna hedge my bet and moderate my purchase of 40k until we know for sure.

 Crazyterran wrote:
Simplified isn't AOSing by any stretch if the imagination - the similarities gameplay wise between AOS and FB start and end with 'they use dice'.

domlets not blow what simplifying means out of proportion - if they manage to make changes that make the game flow smoother, I think we would be all happy, no?

If the rules don't have any similarities with AOS apart from using dice maybe.

Doubtful we are lucky enough for that though.


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Dudeface wrote:
It also allows for more interesting narratives in the main setting without invalidating anything.

Our campaign would like to have a word with you. If we incorporate gathering storm into our campaign it results in paradoxial situation. Basically it undermines our campaign completely. Which is why we _cannot_ use gathering storm stuff for us unless we want to throw out our years long campaign into trashbin and start new from scratch.

Frankly periodically starting from scratch is no fun. That's no different to playing random games with no meaning. We started campaign specifically so that games would have meaning and not just be random games. With GW changing things around all the time this idea would be hopeless because games again wouldn't mean as campaigns would be started from scratch all the time.

The thing is they don't have to squat armies if 40k gets AoSed, they will just TK them by giving them rules but dropping them from the stores and fluff and letting them wither on the vine.

Alternatively they could remove all the named characters give them a get along list keep them selling in stores and in the fluff in a minor way but never actually release anything and letting them die out as per as Aper Athe Aelfs.

So as an eldar player I am a little concered about the future of the Finecast models as a lot of the production capacity for those has been passed to FW.(I recently bought some Rhino doors from fw which horrified me by arriving on Finecast sprues thankfully they were FW resin not FC, but I spoke to FW and they said they are using the equipment GW had for finecast to make certain parts)

SeanDrake wrote:
The thing is they don't have to squat armies if 40k gets AoSed, they will just TK them by giving them rules but dropping them from the stores and fluff and letting them wither on the vine.

And how is this not Squatting an army, may I ask? I mean hey you can still play with Squats... using their previous rules. Or is there an hidden 7th ed Squat Codex that is being kept from me?

the term AOSing is really quite unhelpful, but it allows the BMW Backslap Brigade on here to twist and sneer. If they did completely blow up the current world, and revamp things, I think everyone would be happy.

Those of us that have stopped 40k due to the rules bloat would come back, simplification FTW!

Those min max gamers that exist to WAAC will bugger off (YMMV on this, but it's certainly been the case for AoS).

The Backslap Brigade would be right, and that's clearly the main thing for them.


And as an added bonus, if there was a good community for 40k to come out of this, like TGA is for AoS, then bonus

*Yawn*

To put the news back into this news & rumor thread

Thursday:

This week’s Thursday show has plenty for fans of the 41st Millennium and the Mortal Realms alike.

With the imminent arrival of the Gathering Storm Part II heralding the birth of a new god in the Dark Millennium, we take a loom at the events that have brought us to the Fracture of Biel-Tan and the birth of the last hope of the Eldar race.

We’ll also be hearing from the sculptor of the incredible new Lord of Change that accompanies the new Chaos Battletome: Disciples of Tzeentch, but can just as easily be used in games of Warhammer 40,000.

There won’t be a show on Friday, as our team prepares to make the warp-jump to the Las Vegas Open, but we’ll be back next week, with live coverage of the event from the United States.

https://www.twitch.tv/warhammer

 Thargrim wrote:
The thing about the 40k setting is that at a certain point they had developed it to level the where it was distinct/memorable and near perfect. And remember this is a setting as backdrop to a miniatures game.

The setting in regards to the game doesn't need to change, I can understand advances in the black library novels etc. But changing the fundamentals of a beloved race for the sake of progressing the story and pushing a couple models is bound of cause problems. I for one hated the revamp of the Necrons. And this looks to be on the same level of bad.

I personally look to the 4th edition Eldar codex as the definitive concept of the Eldar as a race, and then fifth edition DE as the best version of the DE.

Since then GW has made advances to tone down the violence, sexualized imagery and has went deeper into high fantasy and a whole lot of nonsense.

Yeah the new models are some of the best they have done in a while, but 40k as a universe is going to continuously suffer IMO. It's going to make forgeworlds heresy stuff look even better over time.

Have an Exalt. I couldn't have said it better, especially the part that I highlighted. That is the crux of the matter behind most of the issues brought up by this... "plot advancement".

 Galef wrote:
So it looks like Ynneadwraith & I have hats to eat.
It seems the Visarch was just a Dire Avenger Exarch names Laaran who followed Yvraine (not Malys) to the Dark City, became and Incubus, then Klaivex and was killed heroically on Iyanden and resurrected be Ynnead.

Lame, but it could grow on me.
If they don't even mention Yriel's fate I'll be pissed. At least make him be the sacrifice that wakes the Avatar of Ynnead for crying out load

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Or maybe Yvraine is Yriel in drag!

Seriously, what the feth is with people obsessing about Yriel? There was no sensible reason to assume that Vysarch would be Yriel.

So with this talk of an Eldar faction uniting the different types of Eldar, is this a pre-cursor of how 40k is gonna be AoS-ified?

Seems factions will be consolidated into lesser books, which will be good for us gamers. Less carrying of books.

WuChildNZ wrote:
So with this talk of an Eldar faction uniting the different types of Eldar, is this a pre-cursor of how 40k is gonna be AoS-ified?

Seems factions will be consolidated into lesser books, which will be good for us gamers. Less carrying of books.

Eldar and Dark Eldar are already battle brothers. Haemonculus Covens are in slightly better shape than wych cults and kabalites, but overall dark eldar are basically taxi cabs for the far far stronger eldar. So merging has no real functional difference.

Mechanicus should have been merged from the start, instead of knights, skitarii, and cult mech books.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

WuChildNZ wrote:
So with this talk of an Eldar faction uniting the different types of Eldar, is this a pre-cursor of how 40k is gonna be AoS-ified?

Seems factions will be consolidated into lesser books, which will be good for us gamers. Less carrying of books.

Eldar and Dark Eldar are already battle brothers. Haemonculus Covens are in slightly better shape than wych cults and kabalites, but overall dark eldar are basically taxi cabs for the far far stronger eldar. So merging has no real functional difference.

Mechanicus should have been merged from the start, instead of knights, skitarii, and cult mech books.

This is my problem. I like two types of Eldar. Dark and Exodite. So when they start cramming in CWE and Harlequins, and now Ynead (you know it's going to turn into a sub army at some point) who will all get more showtime than the Druchari (sp?) or whatever weird name they now have. It feels like the DE are... "this" close to being squatted or SoB'ed. Also not to mention I really dislike the original Eldar who caused all the problems it feels like they didn't learn anything in their backstory. Their over reliance on psykers, the warp and, emotions brought their empire low. The Eldar I want to meet are the old lost eldar scientists who created the webway and just seen it as a tool. This "new" group looks to repeat all of the mistakes of the past. If they fell to chaos when they had way more gods than three then what can they possibly hope to do now? It just seems silly. Also this new god of death seems like they are going to betray their own kind and kill them. It IS a god of death not a god of happiness and love after all. Then the Dark Eldar are going along with this and just losing their edginess? I mean my opinion of my DE army will likely drastically change with whatever is happening in the story itself but I have a very bad feeling. This makes me wonder if I even want to see Eexoodites or if they will also be okay with all this despite being the first to turn from it.

It's basically taking the one Eldar faction that realized how awful they were and rolled with it. The second most honest ones in a weird way. The exodites being the first they realize their whole race sucks including themselves. It's homogenizing the Eldar into one.... goopy... mess.

Mr. CyberPunk wrote:
I don't necessarily have a problem with them blowing up the fluff, even if I may not like the new direction they take. In this case, I would simply use the old one and based my armies around it (and the amount of stuff I didn't read would mean I've still got at least 5 years of ''new'' readings). What terrifies me is the possibility the ruleset of 8th edition will be similar to AoS (an abomination of a game IMO). I'm gonna keep my fingers crossed and, while I don't think the changes are gonna be as dramatic (though I didn't believe beforehand that the ''9th'' edition of Fantasy would have been something so different either), I'm gonna hedge my bet and moderate my purchase of 40k until we know for sure.

Nah, they ain't gonna make something so radical, though I think we'd have to disagree on the abomination part, since it seems a fairly biased statement.

Lord Kragan wrote:

Mr. CyberPunk wrote:
I don't necessarily have a problem with them blowing up the fluff, even if I may not like the new direction they take. In this case, I would simply use the old one and based my armies around it (and the amount of stuff I didn't read would mean I've still got at least 5 years of ''new'' readings). What terrifies me is the possibility the ruleset of 8th edition will be similar to AoS (an abomination of a game IMO). I'm gonna keep my fingers crossed and, while I don't think the changes are gonna be as dramatic (though I didn't believe beforehand that the ''9th'' edition of Fantasy would have been something so different either), I'm gonna hedge my bet and moderate my purchase of 40k until we know for sure.

Nah, they ain't gonna make something so radical, though I think we'd have to disagree on the abomination part, since it seems a fairly biased statement.

I really don't understand how anyone could use the word abomination in regards to the AoS ruleset. Unless they've not actually played it....