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Asmodai wrote: Wrapped up showing Orks, Sisters and Drukhari - more interesting to me than any of the main previews.
And a death guard. The ribbed cloak and 'flamer' with a green power armor hand.
And an Ad Mech character. You can see the red robe, holding some kind of scepter.
The sister is the palantine they didn't bother to put in the codex for whatever reason. She apparently wants to smack heretics with her rosary, for some reason.
The ork has terrible jigsaw puzzle abs.
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2020/07/25 14:19:11
Subject: Wouldn't more books mean more fun vectors?
Sgt_Smudge wrote: Did you advocate for Ultramarines, Salamanders, Imperial Fists, Iron Hands, White Scars, Raven Guard, etc all getting their own unique Codexes, so they didn't need to buy supplements?
Not really. It's not that simple IMO.
The Wolves are the best example, as they share vehicles, and that's kinda it. A "supplement" for them would contain a lot of unique units, where as the Blood Angels would have a scant few. And the Deathwatch? Outside of the Primaris options, they don't have any of the regular Codex Marine squads. Are their supplements going to suddenly allow Woof players to take Tactical Squads? Or Deathwatch players to bring Devastator squads? Or will those books have a big list of units they can't use?
I think that if an army diverges enough from the norm then a new Codex is warranted. Blood Angels and Dark Angels don't deviate enough. Wolf and DW forces are almost as different from regular Marines as the Grey Knights are.
The Sister looked very much like a model for Sister Miriya from the Swallow books. I know it’s likely just a generic HQ, but she’s got the plasma pistol and the prayer beads (or whatever they are called.) Either way, cool model.
Would have been nice to get full shots of the rest of the models though, after all the marine and Necron stuff getting full shots they could have thrown a bone to the rest of the player base.
Kanluwen wrote: My heart bleeds for the flavor of the month players. Truly.
And for those people who don't want to buy multiple books to buy the army they already play?
I know you've got a massive hate boner for anyone who would dare to play even slightly competitively, but a lot more people use Codices than play in touranments.
"We don't want to have to carry all these different sources for our armies!"
"Here's everything in one big book, you'll need a supplement for your specific Chapter stuff."
"We don't want to have to have a separate book for our specific Chapter stuff!"
You cannot pretend these are not arguments that we have not seen right here on Dakka.
This will not be a big knock-on effect for anyone who isn't a FOTM player. $30 for a supplement is not going to break anyone...unless they're someone who hops from Chapter to Chapter based on FAQs.
And even then? $30 vs the $40 of the full Codex.
And even then? This cuts four full codices out of the release schedule.
Yeah, if this means less overall design time is spent on SM crap, then I really don't care how much it costs and I DO jump chapter to chapter based on FAQs.
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General Kroll wrote: The Sister looked very much like a model for Sister Miriya from the Swallow books. I know it’s likely just a generic HQ, but she’s got the plasma pistol and the prayer beads (or whatever they are called.) Either way, cool model.
Would have been nice to get full shots of the rest of the models though, after all the marine and Necron stuff getting full shots they could have thrown a bone to the rest of the player base.
IT'S A PALANTINE!!! YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!
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2020/07/25 14:22:48
Subject: Re:40k 9th edition, : App released page 413
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
2020/07/25 14:24:27
Subject: Wouldn't more books mean more fun vectors?
H.B.M.C. wrote: Wolf and DW forces are almost as different from regular Marines as the Grey Knights are.
No they aren't. A lot of the differences are almost cosmetic. Grey Hunters are really Tactical Marines and Blood Claws are Assault Marines. And both are obsolete units anyway so it doesn't even matter. And how the Deathwatch is currently structured is nonsense. Having mixed squad of specialist drawn from different units makes a sense for an RPG or Killteam game, it doesn't make any sense when operating in the army scale.
The Palatine looks excellent. Though I might convert one out of Tariana Palos if GW ever bothers to ship them.
Shame they didn't properly show the other units, but new Skitarii and Dark Eldar are certainly welcome and I guess someone will care about the Orks and Death Guard too. (Though is at least half of the Chaos stuff the ever release some sort of Nurgle crap? Can't they think of anything else?)
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
Crimson wrote: Grey Hunters are really Tactical Marines and Blood Claws are Assault Marines.
They aren't though. Not in the fluff, and not in their rules. Never have been.
Replace the heavy weapon with another special weapon, apply chapter rules: done. Everyone can come up with silly names and special fluff for their units, doesn't really change that they're fundamentally the same.
Biggest concern for me is how are they going to handle the SM codex. Opening the floodgates to allow deathwatch to use every single marine datasheet, but then having to wait to get their unique kill teams seems like a very odd, and in my eyes unwelcome, change. I guess they could use keywords to allow or disallow certain units, but can't say I'm thrilled. Certainly don't nee to think about it for awhile, at least.
Crimson wrote: Grey Hunters are really Tactical Marines and Blood Claws are Assault Marines.
They are not and never were
Grey Hunters are Veterans and Blood Claws are Recruits
and unless there are Primaris Recruits, Blood Claws are not obsolete
That's fluff. And Grey Hunters are not really veterans in the normal marine terminology sense,they're the next step up from the Blood Claws and are the basic blokes like the tacticals were. And yeah, you can give your new Space Wolf Primaris Assault Marines some nice Blood Claws markings. Then you have Primaris Blood Claws. This is not complicated.
So I guess we can expect a "mini-HQ" wave release with mini-HQ for:
- Sisters (confirmed)
- Orks
- Mechanicus
- Dark Eldar
- Chaos marines
Nice! No confirmation on what the non-Sister models are, but they all seem to fit pretty well into a mini-HQ slot. Except maybe the dark eldar one, didn't seem much like a character, more like a grunt imo.
What do you think? All mini-HQ or just the Sister?
H.B.M.C. wrote: The Wolves are the best example, as they share vehicles, and that's kinda it.
Well, I went and checked.
Here is the list of Space Wolf infantry:
- Intercessor (like the codex marines)
- Reivers (like the codex marines)
- Eliminators (like the codex marines)
- Hellblasters (like the codex marines)
- Aggressors (like the codex marines)
- Inceptors (like the codex marines)
- Incursors (like the codex marines)
- Infiltrators (like the codex marines)
- Assault Intercessors (like the codex marines)
- Eradicators (like the codex marines)
- Bladeguard Veterans (like the codex marines)
- Outriders (like the codex marines)
- A bunch of non-primaris legend entries (Those go into the Legend book anyway, who cares)
Counting only infantry (and bikers), no characters or anything, that's 12 shared datasheet. That's more than some codex have datasheet altogether. Then you can add all the vehicles they have in common, and characters, and stuff. Why on earth would you reprint all of those in a new codex???
I mean, name a non-Legend, non-special character unique entry for Space Wolves. Sorry, I mean non-oldmarine by non-Legend, maybe they won't get Legended just yet .
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2020/07/25 14:49:27
Subject: Re:40k 9th edition, : App released page 413
That's fluff. And Grey Hunters are not really veterans in the normal marine terminology sense,they're the next step up from the Blood Claws and are the basic blokes like the tacticals were. And yeah, you can give your new Space Wolf Primaris Assault Marines some nice Blood Claws markings. Then you have Primaris Blood Claws. This is not complicated.
And -1 BS, +1 Attack on the charge. Then they are Blood Claws. You see why people are concerned about lumping everything together yet?
Crimson wrote: The Palatine looks excellent. Though I might convert one out of Tariana Palos if GW ever bothers to ship them.
Shame they didn't properly show the other units, but new Skitarii and Dark Eldar are certainly welcome and I guess someone will care about the Orks and Death Guard too. (Though is at least half of the Chaos stuff the ever release some sort of Nurgle crap? Can't they think of anything else?)
No, apparently they can't, unless it's more Black Legion.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Next you'll be telling me that Deathwing Terminators are not different from regular Terminators
In lore? Not realy. Mixed terminator weapons is normal in lore, and you could easily represent their Deathwing rules through keyword shenanigans tied to their Chapter Tactic.
They're really not as different as many folks make out.
and that Death Company are just Assault Marines.
Death Company aren't Assault Marines, no-one's saying that.
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Black Legion.