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Eyjio wrote:

Spoletta wrote:
So, a bit of random stuff:

Lord gives reroll morale to friendly <Dynasty> models within 6".
Overlord

Overlord has a skill that gives a unit within 6" +1 to advance charge and hit rolls. The same unit cannot be affected twice in the same turn. Zhandrek too has this.


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Both lord and overlord have the resurrection orb.


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Tesla rule is the same, on a 6 to hit you roll to wound 3 times (or inflicts 3 damage, it's out of the camera unfortunately)

Thanks for this. The overlord +1 to hit - is that just in combat, or is it ballistic skill too?

Both, this makes Zhandrek much better.

So it's almost like everything has a role now and more unique unit special rules that require you to think about how your approach things differently. I like it.

It also means that you really need to think about how you build your army. Hopefully we see the return of the take all comers list and more infantry on the table given the prices we are seeing. Might be nice to mix it up.

Does anyone know where the SoB leak came from? I'd like to see some other parts of the Imperium II book

Re Tau markerlights: if I'm reading it correctly entries 1 and 5 on the chart would apply in thr Fight phase if markerlights were placed on Overwatch. Quite possible as Tactical Drones have For the Greater Good. Might even be able to trigger Seeker and Destroyer missiles.

I also like how the first markerlight results help later ones hit as well. Eg you getting 3 down would then allow a Skyray hit with it's 2 more, rerolling 1s and negating the minus to hit on the move.

FunJohn wrote:
I'd like to see some other parts of the Imperium II book

Me too...basically anything that is not SoB.

Did anyone else see the page with the Vespid on it from the leaked Tau stuff (was that posted in this thread? I can't remember) and could make out the rules? Their stats aren't too impressive from what I saw. They have a special rule but I couldn't make out what it was.

 Sidstyler wrote:
Did anyone else see the page with the Vespid on it from the leaked Tau stuff (was that posted in this thread? I can't remember) and could make out the rules? Their stats aren't too impressive from what I saw. They have a special rule but I couldn't make out what it was.

Essentially Deep Strike over 9" away.

It might have some bearing on the amount of units you need to set up - but probably not. I think it's included in the 'less than half in reserve' restrictions.

 Sidstyler wrote:
Did anyone else see the page with the Vespid on it from the leaked Tau stuff (was that posted in this thread? I can't remember) and could make out the rules? Their stats aren't too impressive from what I saw. They have a special rule but I couldn't make out what it was.

Classic new deepstrike. Enter at the end of movement phase, further than 9" from enemy,

I'm really not too worried about those force orgs that are all Heavy/Fast/Elite/Superheavy and whatnot being the default best options. The frickin' cost of heavy/special weapons and vehicles is a wonderful limiter in this regard.

I was dinking around with the BA list and so far I'm finding it very difficult to spam non-troops stuff without my army shrinking enormously. With things like Furioso Dreads being 170-200 points, and Landraiders ballooning to over 300 it's tough to spam armour. Even transport spam is hard with the increased costs. (this is a very good thing IMO)

Also, another thing I noticed is that the compared cost to get weapon X on the board seems well balanced. I pointed out a bunch of ways to try and spam LC in a Marine list and didn't find one way that was significantly better than another. Early days of course, and just the one list, but so far I'm very happy with the balance in the list. Hopefully the other lists follow suit.

Their guns are -2 AP too, I think. Could they finally be worth using?

 Sidstyler wrote:
Their guns are -2 AP too, I think. Could they finally be worth using?

When they fix the models

Wait, do we actually know what Gauss does now?
(if anything)

That and RP(WBB) have been staples of every Necron codex since their inception.
We know that RP has returned to something similar to the 5th Ed. version, though a little better.
All I've seen for Gauss thus far is the weapon profiles (in Italian), and all that looked like was everything​ had an armor modifier. I mean, that's cool and all, but I'm really hoping it does something iconic, still...

I would guess that the standard game size will get larger in around the same proportion as the price hikes on the "good stuff". Resulting to "cheaper" troops while other stuff is costed relatively same.

 skoffs wrote:
Wait, do we actually know what Gauss does now?
(if anything)

That and RP(WBB) have been staples of every Necron codex since their inception.
We know that RP has returned to something similar to the 5th Ed. version, though a little better.
All I've seen for Gauss thus far is the weapon profiles (in Italian), and all that looked like was everything​ had an armor modifier. I mean, that's cool and all, but I'm really hoping it does something iconic, still...

Looks like Gauss doesn't do anything special. From the Italian leaks the Gauss Flayer (Scorticatore Gauss) is:

24" Rapid Fire 1 S4 AP -1 D1

I've lost track of everything with all these huge leaks, love it though! Anyone heard anything about the Skitarii? I know they are combined with admech now.

Has anyone yet translated Power to points as an average? Like 1 power equals 20? 40? Or does it not seem to translate directly?

Edit: a couple of things in the Tau list approximate to 1 power = 20 points.

 Voodoo_Chile wrote:

 skoffs wrote:
Wait, do we actually know what Gauss does now?
(if anything)

That and RP(WBB) have been staples of every Necron codex since their inception.
We know that RP has returned to something similar to the 5th Ed. version, though a little better.
All I've seen for Gauss thus far is the weapon profiles (in Italian), and all that looked like was everything​ had an armor modifier. I mean, that's cool and all, but I'm really hoping it does something iconic, still...

Looks like Gauss doesn't do anything special. From the Italian leaks the Gauss Flayer (Scorticatore Gauss) is:

24" Rapid Fire 1 S4 AP -1 D1

Yes, it looks like Gauss is just an additional -1 ap over what the weapons should have based on it's 7th ed AP value, like a weaker version of the Primaris weapons.

 skoffs wrote:
Wait, do we actually know what Gauss does now?
(if anything)

That and RP(WBB) have been staples of every Necron codex since their inception.
We know that RP has returned to something similar to the 5th Ed. version, though a little better.
All I've seen for Gauss thus far is the weapon profiles (in Italian), and all that looked like was everything​ had an armor modifier. I mean, that's cool and all, but I'm really hoping it does something iconic, still...

I think it's just the AP thing, which to be fair is still pretty good. Last edition they had the "6 hurts anything" which all guns now have, so giving all their guns an AP value seems fair. Am I mistaken in seeing that the Gauss Blaster Immortals use is -2 AP? Yikes!

Vespid do look decent now, actually. They can put out a fairly nasty alpha strike on the first turn and their guns are much more all-purpose than they used to be. It's a similar deal with Rubric Marines; "Space Marine killers" that were inefficient at everything else, but now looking like great elite hunters in general.

wow i forgot vespid were even a thing

IG leak pleeeeaaaase! I just want to know if my tank list is viable, I want to know about the Tank commander, and I want to know about tank orders! TANKS

 skoffs wrote:
Wait, do we actually know what Gauss does now?
(if anything)

That and RP(WBB) have been staples of every Necron codex since their inception.
We know that RP has returned to something similar to the 5th Ed. version, though a little better.
All I've seen for Gauss thus far is the weapon profiles (in Italian), and all that looked like was everything​ had an armor modifier. I mean, that's cool and all, but I'm really hoping it does something iconic, still...

Looks like it only gives better AP than average. Which to be fair, is more consistent with the lore than the traditional gauss rule.
I mean, we are talking about a high powered magnetic field that pulls apart targets at the molecular level. You'd think they would be good at piercing armor, and not randomly do things to vehicles sometimes.

 Voodoo_Chile wrote:

 skoffs wrote:
Wait, do we actually know what Gauss does now?
(if anything)

That and RP(WBB) have been staples of every Necron codex since their inception.
We know that RP has returned to something similar to the 5th Ed. version, though a little better.
All I've seen for Gauss thus far is the weapon profiles (in Italian), and all that looked like was everything​ had an armor modifier. I mean, that's cool and all, but I'm really hoping it does something iconic, still...

Looks like Gauss doesn't do anything special. From the Italian leaks the Gauss Flayer (Scorticatore Gauss) is:

24" Rapid Fire 1 S4 AP -1 D1

Yes, but it's a basic weapon with AP -1. Interesting change is the Tesla guns are Assault 2, and, if the wording works like in AOS, the "My WIll Be Done" rule of Overlords/catacomb Barges gives them +1 to hit rolls, which MIGHT (not sure, got to check the ruling) let them get Tesla shots on 5+ to hit. There seem to be MANY different kind of claws, meaning that maybe there'll be a different way of equipping Wraiths or Flayed Ones. The Nightbringer has Fleshbane, and hits at S7 against vehicles.

Mandibles will probably be the Scarabs' weapon, and it wounds anything on 5+ or better.

from the OP

Reanimation protocols are made at the start of your movement phase. Roll a D6 for every slain model, on a 5+ it comes back. You can roll again in the following turns. You cannot roll if the whole unit is slain.

So lets say i have a unit of 20 warriors. At the start of my movement phase there is only 1 warrior left so i roll 19 dice and 6.3=(19*(2/6)) come back? And i can do this every turn so if that unit doesn’t lose models in the next turn of my opponent Another 4.2=(12.7*(2/6)) come back?

Seems a bit OP

Space Marine weapon leak helped a ton, but would love to see more SW leaks outside of TWC. Namely:

Rune priest powers
Character stats and buffs they give
Venerable Dread stats and points
Counter Attack special rule still exists in some form?

nordsturmking wrote:
from the OP

Reanimation protocols are made at the start of your movement phase. Roll a D6 for every slain model, on a 5+ it comes back. You can roll again in the following turns. You cannot roll if the whole unit is slain.

So lets say i have a unit of 20 warriors. At the start of my movement phase there is only 1 warrior left so i roll 19 dice and 6.3=(19*(2/6)) come back? And i can do this every turn so if that unit doesn’t lose models in the next turn of my opponent Another 4.2=(12.7*(2/6)) come back?

Seems a bit OP

Not really. All your opponent has to do is finish the job and systematically wipe out each squad. They're like that in the fluff too; you have to throw everything you have at them, otherwise they just keep coming back.

nordsturmking wrote:
from the OP

Reanimation protocols are made at the start of your movement phase. Roll a D6 for every slain model, on a 5+ it comes back. You can roll again in the following turns. You cannot roll if the whole unit is slain.

So lets say i have a unit of 20 warriors. At the start of my movement phase there is only 1 warrior left so i roll 19 dice and 6.3=(19*(2/6)) come back? And i can do this every turn so if that unit doesn’t lose models in the next turn of my opponent Another 4.2=(12.7*(2/6)) come back?

Seems a bit OP

Yeah that does seem more then a bit OP, you can make your enemy miss an entire round of shooting if he tries to go after warriors. That's extremely powerfull

 alleus wrote:
IG leak pleeeeaaaase! I just want to know if my tank list is viable, I want to know about the Tank commander, and I want to know about tank orders! TANKS

I am dieing to see the FW Guard and Renegade stuff, get those artillery brahs!

nordsturmking wrote:
from the OP

Reanimation protocols are made at the start of your movement phase. Roll a D6 for every slain model, on a 5+ it comes back. You can roll again in the following turns. You cannot roll if the whole unit is slain.

So lets say i have a unit of 20 warriors. At the start of my movement phase there is only 1 warrior left so i roll 19 dice and 6.3=(19*(2/6)) come back? And i can do this every turn so if that unit doesn’t lose models in the next turn of my opponent Another 4.2=(12.7*(2/6)) come back?

Seems a bit OP

It's a worse version of FNP, or "Disgusting Resilience" which Plague Marines get, because those ones can't be denied; if you wipe the unit, RP is never rolled. It's pretty good, but nowhere near OP.

nordsturmking wrote:
from the OP

Reanimation protocols are made at the start of your movement phase. Roll a D6 for every slain model, on a 5+ it comes back. You can roll again in the following turns. You cannot roll if the whole unit is slain.

So lets say i have a unit of 20 warriors. At the start of my movement phase there is only 1 warrior left so i roll 19 dice and 6.3=(19*(2/6)) come back? And i can do this every turn so if that unit doesn’t lose models in the next turn of my opponent Another 4.2=(12.7*(2/6)) come back?

Seems a bit OP

Think of it as a mostly weaker version of FNP: You take it later so it's useless for getting to contribute in assault if killed before you can strike, the wounds count against battleshock and you can't take it at all if the unit dies.

Oh and it looks like characters can't reanimate anymore, which is tremendously lame.

Now yes, you get to keep trying each turn, but that's just as annoying for the Necron player as the opponent, because it means long winded book keeping. I can see the reanimation pseudo-phase taking nearly as long as a second shooting phase in some cases.

Honestly reanimation = FNP was the quickest and easiest solution we've ever had, and very neatly covered the confusion of what to do with character reanimation.

Eyjio wrote:

nordsturmking wrote:
from the OP

Reanimation protocols are made at the start of your movement phase. Roll a D6 for every slain model, on a 5+ it comes back. You can roll again in the following turns. You cannot roll if the whole unit is slain.

So lets say i have a unit of 20 warriors. At the start of my movement phase there is only 1 warrior left so i roll 19 dice and 6.3=(19*(2/6)) come back? And i can do this every turn so if that unit doesn’t lose models in the next turn of my opponent Another 4.2=(12.7*(2/6)) come back?

Seems a bit OP

It's a worse version of FNP, or "Disgusting Resilience" which Plague Marines get, because those ones can't be denied; if you wipe the unit, RP is never rolled. It's pretty good, but nowhere near OP.

No its not "worse" - its different

DR allows you to ignore wounds, RP allows you to bring back dead models apparently ove mutiple turns