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 Arbitrator wrote:
They said on the Saturnine stream that Talons would be getting a Liber later. Could be they changed plans and they'll be in Journals instead but that seems unlikely.

They did tease some spears so it would be cool if they teased an upgrade sprues for the Wardens/ Custodes and it allows you to make the variants such as the arbiters with the guns and the two different guns. They would need to then make the plastic jump troops, jet bikes, terminators, and dreadnoughts and the line would be complete. It wouldn't be bad if the line shared things like basic troops. The only thing you'd want to avoid is making them too cross compatible as it could cannibalize sales.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Marshal Loss wrote:
It's been pointed out that one of the presenters is wearing a heresy Iron Warriors pin page, so hopefully there's some space marine units for 30k there too.

Conversely, there's been rumors floating around of 40K Iron Warriors releases.

Very true. Guess we'll see!

boyd wrote:
They did tease some spears so it would be cool if they teased an upgrade sprues for the Wardens/ Custodes and it allows you to make the variants such as the arbiters with the guns and the two different guns. They would need to then make the plastic jump troops, jet bikes, terminators, and dreadnoughts and the line would be complete. It wouldn't be bad if the line shared things like basic troops. The only thing you'd want to avoid is making them too cross compatible as it could cannibalize sales.

I think it will be a complete re-do of the Custodes range (30k specific), rather than upgrade frames for the current dual-purpose kits. They seem pretty intent on moving away from different ranges sharing units, and there aren't that many kits they need to do

That would be funny if they went back to the original shirtless Custodes aesthetic.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
That would be funny if they went back to the original shirtless Custodes aesthetic.

Peak GW move - make Custodes models as part of 30K range, awkwardly port them into 40K, basically abandon the 30K faction, make new models for 30K range with new aesthetic.

Oh, did you say Custodes, I thought you said Ogres...

 Mr_Rose wrote:
That would be funny if they went back to the original shirtless Custodes aesthetic.

That would be priceless!

 Dysartes wrote:

 CragHack wrote:
PDF is garbage. Maybe good for something minor, like demons, militia, blackshields and the likes. Not for a major faction.

...Custodes are a major faction?

Not numerically, or in factors of effect on the actual HH as the other factions mentioned. But, they do have models. And they were more active during the HH than 40k. And the heart wants what the heart wants. So, obviously, their fans want their rules, and, presumably, plastic models.

Gotta understand the psychology, old friend.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 CragHack wrote:
PDF is garbage. Maybe good for something minor, like demons, militia, blackshields and the likes. Not for a major faction.

...Custodes are a major faction?

Not numerically, or in factors of effect on the actual HH as the other factions mentioned. But, they do have models. And they were more active during the HH than 40k. And the heart wants what the heart wants. So, obviously, their fans want their rules, and, presumably, plastic models.

Gotta understand the psychology, old friend.

Also, the Cavill factor.

Custodes also allow GW to get some buff women into the 30K sausagefest...

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 CragHack wrote:
PDF is garbage. Maybe good for something minor, like demons, militia, blackshields and the likes. Not for a major faction.

...Custodes are a major faction?

Not numerically, or in factors of effect on the actual HH as the other factions mentioned. But, they do have models. And they were more active during the HH than 40k. And the heart wants what the heart wants. So, obviously, their fans want their rules, and, presumably, plastic models.

Gotta understand the psychology, old friend.

Having picked up the Mechanicum book, and glanced through the Talons (not Custodes, for crying out loud) PDF, I'm honestly not sure what someone thinks the benefit of a book is from a rules perspective. It looks like it covers the same stuff as is in the Mechanicum book (though note that I'm away from that at present, so can't do a direct comparison). And it isn't like there is much in the way of background in the Mechanicum Liber (which I'm honestly a little annoyed by).

I can understand the desire to get a miniatures release, don't get me wrong, but claiming the PDF is garbage, and that only "minor" groupings deserve them? Nah, not buying that.

I won't mind some female Custodes, but I'd prefer an expanded Sisters of Silence range. And by 'expanded', I mean more than just a single dual-purpose kit and a character. Some Sisters on jetbikes, and a plastic Acquisitor would be a nice start.

A specific sculpt for a generic character for the SoS (or a dual-build with a new special character) would be good, too.

I've not read the HH novels - have they described any units for the SoS we've not seen, or have their abilities hidden them from the authors as well?

Don’t hold me to this as it’s been a bloody long time since I owned, let alone read the book.

But when Custards and SoS got the Black Book treatment*, there were further units detailed, which have never seen the model light of day.

*No, I don’t mean being yelled at by an irascible Irishman.

I feel like that's a Father Ted reference.

Very close! Black Books, specifically Bernard Black.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Very close! Black Books, specifically Bernard Black.

I have fond memories of that (mainly due to Bill Bailey), but I've not rewatched it in a long time...


Back on-topic - I wonder if we'll get a new roadmap in next Friday's preview?

It feels about time for one. And would be a fairly substantial reveal in itself.

Especially for Heresy.

beast_gts wrote:
Back on-topic - I wonder if we'll get a new roadmap in next Friday's preview?

Stop, I can only get so Erebus

So what do we know is still to come out? Angron Transfigured (& Lotara) is coming up to a year after preview now, Skitarii, there's the separate kits from the Siege Assault Battle Group and possibly the stuff from LI (Whirlwinds, Araknae weapon options, etc).

Glaive and Banana Boys

Charonite ogryns are a pretty solid guess as well.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Don’t hold me to this as it’s been a bloody long time since I owned, let alone read the book.

But when Custards and SoS got the Black Book treatment*, there were further units detailed, which have never seen the model light of day.

*No, I don’t mean being yelled at by an irascible Irishman.

IIRC, a lot of the alternative SoS units were arm swaps that Forgeworld made. I've still got the blister packs lying around somewhere in my hobby room.

Jetbikes and a unit with dogs was something added in HH2 as well.

Wasn't it a unit with crocodiles?

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Wasn't it a unit with crocodiles?

The Pursuer Cadre could take (Cyber) Caiman, Felidae, Mastiff or Raptor beasts.

Hmm, that's exactly the same beasties that Militia can take and it's a list based on what random sci-fi critters GW sells for Necromunda, so I'd give it very low chances that the unit was ever intended to be developed with its own bespoke models. But hey, fingers crossed giant locust gets added in 4.0

 Dysartes wrote:
A specific sculpt for a generic character for the SoS (or a dual-build with a new special character) would be good, too.

I've not read the HH novels - have they described any units for the SoS we've not seen, or have their abilities hidden them from the authors as well?

There's not much SoS stuff in the novels we haven't seen on the table (iirc. mostly some aircraft that were mentioned in throwaway one-liners, like the Talion gunship and the Divider stealth-craft), but the sisters have some concepts with art lying around from the original Horus Heresy trading card game from way back in the day (it's where the beast handler teams come from, and the jetbikes as well iirc).

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Don’t hold me to this as it’s been a bloody long time since I owned, let alone read the book.

But when Custards and SoS got the Black Book treatment*, there were further units detailed, which have never seen the model light of day.

*No, I don’t mean being yelled at by an irascible Irishman.

IIRC, a lot of the alternative SoS units were arm swaps that Forgeworld made. I've still got the blister packs lying around somewhere in my hobby room.

If 'a lot of' somehow equates to just the alternate pistol loadout for the Prosecutor Cadre...

Sisters of Silence never got models for the Oblivion Knight Centura, Excrutiatus Cadre, Oblivion Knight Cadre, Persuer Cadre, or any of the other weapon options available to Prosecutors, Vigilators, or Seekers.

Also? And this might be an unpopular opinion.. I want that SoS submarine craft / transport vehicle in plastic, pleasepleaseplease! It's one of the most "Imperial" looking vehicles in 30K IMHO


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This just in! New rrumours

I dunno, 4chan stuff never comes true I think. And do we ever get "glimpses" of rulebooks?

If they are doing new plastic Custodes terminators, I hope they are based on the Aquilon pattern. Plastic firepikes all round.