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 Pacific wrote:


Ah yes the artillery has to be in there. And especially for Imperial Guard as usually victory rested on whether your infantry companies could tie the other side up long enough for your artillery and tanks to lay down some fire.

One of my fave bits in the game was using fast attack units to sneak around and take them out (although usually it happens to me after I've deployed their screening/defensive units poorly, as shown in this photo here..)

Spoiler:

IIRC that would be an illegal move in an Epic 40,000 assault phase!

Those Orks wouldn't be able to move past the Rhinos to engage the artillery, unless at least one Ork buggy moved into contact with each Rhino first. (Must move toward the enemy, don't have to move toward the nearest enemy, but can't move past an enemy unless it's already been charged by another of your units.)

On the other hand, if that's a movement phase, then the Orks wouldn't be allowed to get that close. They'd stop as soon as they got within 10cm and take snap-fire from the artillery crews (and the bolters on the Rhinos), possibly losing a couple of buggies.

I know you're probably not playing Epic 40,000 rules, but since we're discussing rules differences in various editions I felt like it was worth pointing out.

The Dire Wolf kit in plastic is a pleasant surprise.

It makes me wonder what other plastic goodness GW has been working on for the system...

Hope we get a little more on the rules in the next preview.

 schoon wrote:
The Dire Wolf kit in plastic is a pleasant surprise.

It makes me wonder what other plastic goodness GW has been working on for the system...

Hope we get a little more on the rules in the next preview.

It also reassured me that we should be getting most of the IL releases in plastic with only the really niche stuff in resin as why would you remake an already available resin model that itself is kind of a niche unit in plastic if you don't plan to have the same support for the other stuff. I would expect them to choose to make a new IL kit in plastic instead of resin before remaking a resin product in plastic after only a year since its release and since that happened...

(Unless back when Soulblight Gravelords was made for AoS someone just read the memo to make plastic Dire Wolfs and made the wrong ones )

 schoon wrote:
The Dire Wolf kit in plastic is a pleasant surprise.

It makes me wonder what other plastic goodness GW has been working on for the system...

Hope we get a little more on the rules in the next preview.

I'm just glad that Heresy Thursday is officially back and we get previews (of shoulder pads, probably) with some regularity again

Also, fingers crossed for an Imperator-class titan as a centerpiece release sometime in the next two years.

 stonehorse wrote:
Given the heft of the rulebook, I really hope this is a one book system. Would be refreshing for GW to produce a system where players only need one book in order to play.

I'm not certain, but I think I read that the 28mm HH rulebooks only included rules for units that were planned to have a model eventually.

It'll be interesting to see how many units are covered inside the Imperialis rulebook next month, and if there are many unnannounced / unreleased models. That might give us a soft 'roadmap' for the future.

 xttz wrote:

 stonehorse wrote:
Given the heft of the rulebook, I really hope this is a one book system. Would be refreshing for GW to produce a system where players only need one book in order to play.

I'm not certain, but I think I read that the 28mm HH rulebooks only included rules for units that were planned to have a model eventually.

It'll be interesting to see how many units are covered inside the Imperialis rulebook next month, and if there are many unnannounced / unreleased models. That might give us a soft 'roadmap' for the future.

Hopefully we get an actual roadmap in the next major preview event, i.e. somewhere around November?

Tsagualsa wrote:

Hopefully we get an actual roadmap in the next major preview event, i.e. somewhere around November?

We should hopefully get stuff at Gencon and/or NOVA in August.

Long-ish FAQ article: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/07/07/legions-imperialis-your-burning-questions-answered/

Tsagualsa wrote:
Long-ish FAQ article: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/07/07/legions-imperialis-your-burning-questions-answered/

Looks like GW has no plans to expand to xenos factions. Guess my wallet will remain closed and I'll be sitting this game out then just as I sat out most of AT. GW keeps leaving money on the table.

Iracundus wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:
Long-ish FAQ article: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/07/07/legions-imperialis-your-burning-questions-answered/

Looks like GW has no plans to expand to xenos factions. Guess my wallet will remain closed and I'll be sitting this game out then just as I sat out most of AT. GW keeps leaving money on the table.

They outright stated they wont expand these 'for now' which means at least 3-5 years. So no, no Xenos anytime soon.

There's a soft confirmation that other factions are planned too. Fingers crossed for cool Mechanicum stuff.

"No plans for 40k" (but they would say that)
Every Titan and Knight in AT can be used.
No Valkyries/Vendettas.
25mm bases. New bases for Titans but AT ones are still compatible.
Want you to use LI bases for Aeronautica models.
Tanks won't have bases.
AT and AI will still be supported.
Confirm Titan and aircraft rules will be more streamlined.
Reiterate that reactor and shield management aren't a thing.
Most kits will be plastic with some niche units as resin.
Marines/Solar Auxilia will be the only factions at launch, but they'll be others.
No Legion-specific units releasing at launch.
Dodge the Primarch question, but wink/nudge style answer (so they'll probably happen)
Models are "a little bigger" and more detailed than Epic 40,000.
New terrain.
Suggest talking to your opponent if you want to use older minis.
The launch box is "a relatively small army".
Encourage you to mix legions and Solar Auxilia together.

RazorEdge wrote:

"No plans for 40k" (but they would say that)
Every Titan and Knight in AT can be used.
No Valkyries/Vendettas.
25mm bases. New bases for Titans but AT ones are still compatible.
Want you to use LI bases for Aeronautica models.
Tanks won't have bases.
AT and AI will still be supported.
Confirm Titan and aircraft rules will be more streamlined.
Reiterate that reactor and shield management aren't a thing.
Most kits will be plastic with some niche units as resin.
Marines/Solar Auxilia will be the only factions at launch, but they'll be others.
No Legion-specific units releasing at launch.
Dodge the Primarch question, but wink/nudge style answer (so they'll probably happen)
Models are "a little bigger" and more detailed than Epic 40,000.
New terrain.
Suggest talking to your opponent if you want to use older minis.
The launch box is "a relatively small army".
Encourage you to mix legions and Solar Auxilia together.

New bases have sculpted cityscape details, so if you dont want that third-party it is
And new bases are intended to slot into the AT/LI terrain, perhaps for some rule reason we'll learn about.
'Typical' battles are aimed to have 100+ playing pieces per side (about 2x the starting box and upwards)

RazorEdge wrote:
Suggest talking to your opponent if you want to use older minis.

I want to be clear that GW is saying "discuss WYSIWYG" here, not "you have to ask permission"

Hopefully they hurry with mechanicum stuff as that would look amazing at this scale and I want them. I'll likely get the launch box and probably enough to make a full space marine and solar axillia army. But would probably try to get at least one box each of admech stuff in plastic. This all depends on price. And I don't have much intrest in resin as I have a 8k resin printer and it's amazing quality and dirt cheap to print.

Will we ever see Warhammer 40,000 factions?

GW rarely ever says if it will expand something until it actually happens so that doesn't have to mean anything, just that it won't happen for now.

We’ll be starting with those units common to all Space Marines Legions and Solar Auxilia forces, rather than Legion-specific specialists.

This confirms that legion specifics will be coming, will be interesting if those will be resin or plastic?

These will remain as the initial focus of the game, but as time goes on Legions Imperialis will expand into some of the more esoteric factions that participated in the Horus Heresy. But wouldn’t you know it, we can’t say which ones yet…

Mechanicus and Custodes are basically a given but they aren't really "esoteric" factions for HH so we should be getting even more

When Can I Buy an Epic Scale Primarch?
Wouldn’t that be something?

Also nice to get confirmation they will be coming

Is There a Full Army in the Launch Box?
The Launch box contains a mighty force, but by the standards of Legions Imperialis, it is a relatively small army.

As many thought the launch set is only a small army, now just to hope that actually realistic army sizes won't be too expensive

 Matrindur wrote:

These will remain as the initial focus of the game, but as time goes on Legions Imperialis will expand into some of the more esoteric factions that participated in the Horus Heresy. But wouldn’t you know it, we can’t say which ones yet…

Mechanicus and Custodes are basically a given but they aren't really "esoteric" factions for HH so we should be getting even more

What would even qualify as 'esoteric'? Taking it literally, possibly Ruinstorm Daemons, and maybe expanded Sister of Silence (their few infantry units plus that one weird Flash Gordon transport would barely constitute a faction, they'd need at least the Jetbikes and Flyers mentioned in the background, possibly more and weirder stuff too). Other than that? Dark Mech? Rogue Trader forces? Heresy-Era Squats? Proper Titan Legion Skitarri (the beastial ones like in the Abnett books).

 Matrindur wrote:

When Can I Buy an Epic Scale Primarch?
Wouldn’t that be something?

Also nice to get confirmation they will be coming

Hopefully they do them in a smart way, i.e. in resin, and possibly with their specific bodyguard units (especially Perturabo with his Iron Circle) and maybe even their unique vehicles, some of them have command Stormbirds etc. mentioned in the background.

Ya price really will be such a huge part of if this game is successful. I see a lot of intrest online and locally but almost everyone agrees they want to try it but it comes down to price, and rules.

Oh, I see now the box is a "launch box". Interesting.

We keep seeing them talk about Titans on new bases and now Aeronautica on new bases, but the question is, will we be able to get these bases separate for existing units?

ccnick22 wrote:
We keep seeing them talk about Titans on new bases and now Aeronautica on new bases, but the question is, will we be able to get these bases separate for existing units?

I'd be seriously amazed if you could not, GW seem to flog every other base they make in packs, may also see themed versions

ccnick22 wrote:
We keep seeing them talk about Titans on new bases and now Aeronautica on new bases, but the question is, will we be able to get these bases separate for existing units?

They answered this question yesteday, but unfortunately the answer was just 'Highly likely, but we do not have confirmation yet'

 Matrindur wrote:

Will we ever see Warhammer 40,000 factions?

GW rarely ever says if it will expand something until it actually happens so that doesn't have to mean anything, just that it won't happen for now.

Have they ever left something open for expansion like that, and then actually done it though? It didn't happen with Titanicus, Aeronautica didn't get all the army options finished, and even The Old World is having only a portion of WHFB with no plans to expanding it.

 Albertorius wrote:
Oh, I see now the box is a "launch box". Interesting.

Well that's a bit disappointing, but I've just been to Element Games and they had like 50 Leviathan out on the shelves so if I miss a pre-order there's a good chance I can pick it up on release day.

 Mentlegen324 wrote:

 Matrindur wrote:

Will we ever see Warhammer 40,000 factions?

GW rarely ever says if it will expand something until it actually happens so that doesn't have to mean anything, just that it won't happen for now.

Have they ever left something open for expansion like that, and then actually done it though? It didn't happen with Titanicus, Aeronautica didn't get all the army options finished, and even The Old World is having only a portion of WHFB with no plans to expanding it.

Aeronautica seemed to be a pretty big bust. Since it's launch I've lived in two pretty major cities and outside of the original release have seen almost no one pick it up or play it. As for Titanicus never expanding into 40k, I think they planned to roll that up into this from the start. With the Space Marine Aeronautic release being only 30k aircraft despite them having new flyers in current 40k and the fact it was the same scale as Titanicus, is seems logical that the plan all along was to expand out into a 30k Epic Scale game. If LI doesn't crash and burn like Aeronautica and actually takes off and maintains a player base then I think we will see a 40k version in a few years maybe. Likely after a 30k BFG so that they can complete out this HH timeline.


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Tsagualsa wrote:

ccnick22 wrote:
We keep seeing them talk about Titans on new bases and now Aeronautica on new bases, but the question is, will we be able to get these bases separate for existing units?

They answered this question yesteday, but unfortunately the answer was just 'Highly likely, but we do not have confirmation yet'

Posted the question on their post today and they responded that the bases will be available separately so that answers my question.

ccnick22 wrote:

Tsagualsa wrote:

ccnick22 wrote:
We keep seeing them talk about Titans on new bases and now Aeronautica on new bases, but the question is, will we be able to get these bases separate for existing units?

They answered this question yesteday, but unfortunately the answer was just 'Highly likely, but we do not have confirmation yet'

Posted the question on their post today and they responded that the bases will be available separately so that answers my question.

Good to know, for once they seem to have actually checked back with higher up to answer some community question, they clarified that the Dire Wolf will include the AT terminals as well today. Actual customer service in this day and age!

Pretty disappointing to see that the launch box doesn't give you a decent sized force even if you use everything as a single army and that you'll be needing twice as much stuff.

...I mean, I like that the game is meant to feel more epic than that, with proper sized armies, but... that box is pretty naff, for a launch box. The AT launch box amounted to a full AT army (even if not optimized). So did the HH one. This one is about half as much? Ah well.

If the individual boxes' price is not too steep, it might not be that much of an issue... but if they are the price of the AI ones, it will be a pricey game.

At the end of the day, feels like prices will be the ones to make or break this.

 Albertorius wrote:
Pretty disappointing to see that the launch box doesn't give you a decent sized force even if you use everything as a single army and that you'll be needing twice as much stuff.

...I mean, I like that the game is meant to feel more epic than that, with proper sized armies, but... that box is pretty naff, for a launch box. The AT launch box amounted to a full AT army (even if not optimized). So did the HH one. This one is about half as much? Ah well.

If the individual boxes' price is not too steep, it might not be that much of an issue... but if they are the price of the AI ones, it will be a pricey game.

At the end of the day, feels like prices will be the ones to make or break this.

The HH box is at best 2/3 of an army.

Dudeface wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:
Pretty disappointing to see that the launch box doesn't give you a decent sized force even if you use everything as a single army and that you'll be needing twice as much stuff.

...I mean, I like that the game is meant to feel more epic than that, with proper sized armies, but... that box is pretty naff, for a launch box. The AT launch box amounted to a full AT army (even if not optimized). So did the HH one. This one is about half as much? Ah well.

If the individual boxes' price is not too steep, it might not be that much of an issue... but if they are the price of the AI ones, it will be a pricey game.

At the end of the day, feels like prices will be the ones to make or break this.

The HH box is at best 2/3 of an army.

The HH box is about 2000 points. But okay. Still not less than half . Also, as I was told here, not a launch box either.

Tsagualsa wrote:
LI now got its own website, with better pictures of box contents and more:

https://thehorusheresy.com/legions-imperialis



Can anyone identifiy the decals in the upper-right corner of the sheet?

I can make out some of them as Death Guard, and Iron Hands.
Then I remembered where I'd seen some of them before: https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/p22gW3fVQgn0kKWo.jpg