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I'm half wondering if they might go off the wall and do something based on 1st edition SM. I'm not that familiar with it as I got in with 2nd, but have read it is a lot more granular and infantry have saving throws etc.

Having more detailed rules would help differentiate armour marks and different types of tank weaponry, it was an approach that Imperialis Dominatus used (and is perhaps possible because you have a much more limited scope of having things set just within the Heresy).

 Pacific wrote:
I'm half wondering if they might go off the wall and do something based on 1st edition SM. I'm not that familiar with it as I got in with 2nd, but have read it is a lot more granular and infantry have saving throws etc.

Having more detailed rules would help differentiate armour marks and different types of tank weaponry, it was an approach that Imperialis Dominatus used (and is perhaps possible because you have a much more limited scope of having things set just within the Heresy).

I am honestly not sure that I want that kind of detail in a (at least) battalion level game, but we will see.

 Albertorius wrote:

 Pacific wrote:
I'm half wondering if they might go off the wall and do something based on 1st edition SM. I'm not that familiar with it as I got in with 2nd, but have read it is a lot more granular and infantry have saving throws etc.

Having more detailed rules would help differentiate armour marks and different types of tank weaponry, it was an approach that Imperialis Dominatus used (and is perhaps possible because you have a much more limited scope of having things set just within the Heresy).

I am honestly not sure that I want that kind of detail in a (at least) battalion level game, but we will see.

I'd not put it past them. They do know about the level of complaints that E40k got after all. Plus why go through all the hassle of making the marines big enough to make different armour marks if you are then just going to use them as tokens representing all the same thing.

Personally, not my cup of tea. I want to play out grand battles and don't care about the small differences between weapons & armour. But I also know that I'm in the minority when it comes to GW games. (My group play at my house though, so here its E40k or bust! If they don't like it, they can buy their own rules and would have to paint their own armies! )

1st wasn't hard, yes infantry had a saving through, but because of that you didn't need special rules to differentiate shooting are armoured v unarmoured infantry or anything similar - use the armour save and accept it will be modified to "poof you are dead" in the case of heavier weapons.

I highly doubt they will go that was, somewhat sadly, there is every chance this is going to be highly streamlined

we don't have long to wait though, and for those who want it previous versions can be had

(though I'd be all over a compendium of 1st edition rules, expansions and all the WD army lists)

They could go the Titanicus route of Weapon Strength + D6 and if you get over a units armour value, it goes. Would allow you to properly show the effects of weapons. For example, Bolters being Strength 1, wouldn't do anything against a Land Raider, armour 10. And so on. Would also allow you to field Titans and still show the difficulty in killing them even if they don't have the datacards from Titanicus (unless they're expected to be used for Titans!)

As for Armour Marks, they may just show certain weapons with certain armour marks:

MK II get's volkites
Mk III get's flamers and boarding marines

And so on.

leopard wrote:
1st wasn't hard, yes infantry had a saving through, but because of that you didn't need special rules to differentiate shooting are armoured v unarmoured infantry or anything similar - use the armour save and accept it will be modified to "poof you are dead" in the case of heavier weapons.

I highly doubt they will go that was, somewhat sadly, there is every chance this is going to be highly streamlined

we don't have long to wait though, and for those who want it previous versions can be had

(though I'd be all over a compendium of 1st edition rules, expansions and all the WD army lists)

In Epic 40k there's no differentiation either. It's just that "AT" is a kind of weapon that the unit's armor and is rolled separately from regular firepower, but it could affect any unit. Same as Barrage weapons and the like, they had a small amount of special rules.

Everything else, you rolled X dice and then allocated them on the enemy detachment.

 zedmeister wrote:

As for Armour Marks, they may just show certain weapons with certain armour marks:

MK II get's volkites
Mk III get's flamers and boarding marines

And so on.

If we are getting different armour marks thats what I would expect them to do.
The current MK6 sprue will probably be
1 Command Squad base
4 Tactical Squad bases
1 Missile Launcher base
1 Plasma Gun base
1 Assault Squad base
1 Cataphractii base

doubled up in the starter box

For the other armour marks the 1 command and 4 tacticals will probably stay the same (or change the command quad to cataphractii/tartarus?) but instead of the plasma/missile we could get other special/heavy weapons and instead of the Assault/Cataphractii we could get the different basic units.

personally expecting the actual weapons to be not that important, yes I know they talked about assault cannons etc - I think that will be for vehicles.

I think infantry will be done by base type, not weapon types, at least not know

- tactical stand
- tactical support stand (the plasma guys)
- heavy weapon stand (missile guys)
- assault stand (lunatics)
- command stand
- terminator stand

it may branch out later but initially I think that will be it and each stand will have its own profile for melee and ranged weapons

there may be an option for "veteran" stands, basically tactical with different colours on them

not sure different armour marks will see different rules, though would make sense to model with different weapons

leopard wrote:


I highly doubt they will go that was, somewhat sadly, there is every chance this is going to be highly streamlined
)

What in the recent releases makes you think it will be streamlines Leopard? (I say, voice muffled as I am buried between a pile of Necromunda books and colour-coded Killteam measuring sticks!)

Heresy Thursday is back for Legions Imperialis!

Heresy Thursday – Unleash a Pack of Dire Wolf Scout Titans With a New Plastic Kit

 Pacific wrote:

leopard wrote:


I highly doubt they will go that was, somewhat sadly, there is every chance this is going to be highly streamlined
)

What in the recent releases makes you think it will be streamlines Leopard? (I say, voice muffled as I am buried between a pile of Necromunda books and colour-coded Killteam measuring sticks!)

mostly the way a lot of the granular detail have gone from mainstream 40k games leaving a feeling that "least possible effort" is the current mantra

I love Necromunda btw, the issue is GW seem to see detail as "complexity" when often its not, 1st edition Space Marine was actually a very simple game, though the depth of the units and weapons added colour to it without adding complexity - i.e. stuff was done with the stats, not with the plague that is special rules

GW these days seem to prefer to remove the rules, then put them back with "special rules".

as long as they go beyond "here is an infantry detachment, it has 10 wound marker/stands, its stats degrade as follows" it will be ok, e.g. have individual infantry units where the stands have weapons and die individually etc.

guess we will see but I expect the richness of earlier versions to be removed, for example will those support stands have plasma guns? or will they just be a support stand with an assigned "combat value"?

LI now got its own website, with better pictures of box contents and more:

https://thehorusheresy.com/legions-imperialis



Can anyone identifiy the decals in the upper-right corner of the sheet?

decals.

strange, apart from the infantry banners and the two warhounds nothing seems to actually have decals on them

can't see 8mm infantry getting them so presumably they relate to vehicles

those upper right ones are very odd though, they look almost Eldar


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could they be the weird designs from the side of the warhound carapace in the closeups?

leopard wrote:
decals.

strange, apart from the infantry banners and the two warhounds nothing seems to actually have decals on them

can't see 8mm infantry getting them so presumably they relate to vehicles

those upper right ones are very odd though, they look almost Eldar

That's what i thought at first, they look a bit like Eldar runes. I'd say they're either something for Sisters of Silence, which would be interesting in itself, or something for a specific Titan Legion.

I suspect we'll see something very like the apocalypse rules from 2019, which in my opinion were great fun. (although the strategy cards can f*ck right off).

I want to see more.

More more more more. All of it. Show me. NAOW.


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Especially a good old fashioned Artillery Company. Because I don’t want to need to see your girly infantry before raining big deth down on them.

Originally when I heard it was HH, my interest dropped, but now I see it's all Mk6 beakies, I'm interested again.

beast_gts wrote:
Heresy Thursday is back for Legions Imperialis!

Heresy Thursday – Unleash a Pack of Dire Wolf Scout Titans With a New Plastic Kit

Spoiler:

I'm real glad I held off on getting these while they were being produced in resin. It also suggests that AT continues to be popular enough to warrant the migration to plastic. Hopefully they'll migrate the Mechanicus knights over within a year or so.

Thinking about it, it's the Skinflint Annual Pilgrimage in about a month's time - by the Emperor, I hope they've got some of this stuff on display..

is that the fastest resin-to-plastic transition we've had? seems like not that long ago they were released.

The impression I get from the article is that Legiones Imperialis is the focus, they aren't being released in plastic because they're popular in AT, they're being released for LI and their ability to be used in AT is a side benefit

will be interesting to see how quickly they get released, they're being supplied with LI and AT rules so it might give us a peek at statlines for LI (if they don't preview them before that anyway)

So since we now know they are willing to port resin AT stuff to plastic the "No longer available" Warlord Psi Titan is looking mighty suspicious.
Especially since it wouldn't need a whole kit, just an upgrade sprue.
New Warlord sprue with some previously resin weapons and the parts for this guy?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I want to see more.

More more more more. All of it. Show me. NAOW.


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Especially a good old fashioned Artillery Company. Because I don’t want to need to see your girly infantry before raining big deth down on them.

Ah yes the artillery has to be in there. And especially for Imperial Guard as usually victory rested on whether your infantry companies could tie the other side up long enough for your artillery and tanks to lay down some fire.

One of my fave bits in the game was using fast attack units to sneak around and take them out (although usually it happens to me after I've deployed their screening/defensive units poorly, as shown in this photo here..)

So, regarding bases…I’m pretty certain the new bases are mounded with a cracked earth pattern on them. Especially after todays plastic Dire Wolf Titan reveal, look at the bases. They’re identical, just rotated different angles.

The same can be said for the infantry etc.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I want to see more.

More more more more. All of it. Show me. NAOW.

Last night a little Titan, it was shooting at my door
Last night, that little Titan, it came stomping on my floor
It said, "Come on, Grotsnik, you got a license for war
And if it expires, buy a box to get more.
Because
In the midnight hour he cried more, more, more, more
With a rebel yell he cried more, more, more
More, more, more!

 Matrindur wrote:
So since we now know they are willing to port resin AT stuff to plastic the "No longer available" Warlord Psi Titan is looking mighty suspicious.
Especially since it wouldn't need a whole kit, just an upgrade sprue.
New Warlord sprue with some previously resin weapons and the parts for this guy?

I hope we get some original titan / knight content before they port anymore existing stuff into plastic. Was mostly looking forward to see Rapiers done as one of the first plastic kits in this new wave.

Plastic Armigers would be great to have eventually too though.

Given the heft of the rulebook, I really hope this is a one book system. Would be refreshing for GW to produce a system where players only need one book in order to play.

The reference sheet looks to give a few hints of the orders.

Its hard for me to know exactly what I want. Each version of Epic had its good and bad issues. I liked how easy it was to build armies in 2nd ed by slapping some cards down, but units were very strict, no options except on titian sized vehicles. also infantry almost never got a save, but being in buildings made you harder to hit. I also liked how orders counters worked. The morale system was pretty bad though, breaking a unit really just meant you got victory points for them, rarely did they fail a morale test. vehicles being weaker on the sides and rear made flanking a good tactic. The scale of 2nd ed always just appeared bigger than all the others, really huge armies.

The later editions felt smaller in scale, I really did like the blast marker/morale system, fire fight and crossfire rules. The epic 40k table was terrible though. I didn't like the turn systems as much in the later versions, without the orders system of 2nd ed, it was more of a reactionary counter move game, the double move by passing a morale check felt very gamey, but if you had to put orders down in the beginning, maybe I wouldn't have had an issue with it. I also didn't like the cover system, guys in buildings should be harder to hit than guys in the open.

1st ed had some cool mechanics where your officers could do heroic actions, but if they rolled really poorly on the "Fool or Hero Table" they were picked off by a sniper.

I don't know, I guess Ill have to see what the rules are like. If the rules are good I'll probably pick up the box to show support for the game, but most everything else I'll 3D print. I've already paid GW for quite a few Epic armies, I consider those licencing fees now to print up what they have made invalid by this jump to a new scale.

Found on Facebook:

RazorEdge wrote:
Found on Facebook:

So two legs, two body halfs, backpack reactor, left arm and then right arm as either one part for the kheres or two parts for the lascannon?

xttz wrote:

 Matrindur wrote:
So since we now know they are willing to port resin AT stuff to plastic the "No longer available" Warlord Psi Titan is looking mighty suspicious.
Especially since it wouldn't need a whole kit, just an upgrade sprue.
New Warlord sprue with some previously resin weapons and the parts for this guy?

I hope we get some original titan / knight content before they port anymore existing stuff into plastic. Was mostly looking forward to see Rapiers done as one of the first plastic kits in this new wave.

Plastic Armigers would be great to have eventually too though.

Unless that original content is the Knight Dominus, you shut yer heresy speaking mouth...

I need my Armigers and Styrix/Mageara in plastic before any more icky Titans

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Matrindur wrote:

RazorEdge wrote:
Found on Facebook:

So two legs, two body halfs, backpack reactor, left arm and then right arm as either one part for the kheres or two parts for the lascannon?

You're probably right but the optimist in me hopes part 8 is the Cyclone ML.