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2018/09/27 14:17:41
Subject: Middle-earth SBG - Gondor at War, Gandalf+Pippin p. 43
MangoMadness wrote: Some strong opinions there, interesting that they are both from the euro zone
I wonder if their opinion hold true for copying music, dvds, video games, non genuine car parts, generic medicine, branded clothing etc.
Personally I have never bought any chinacast but I would rather give them my money than forgeworld with their pricing policies.
It's doubly interesting considering it wasn't that long ago the EU had to desperately bury a gigantic study into copyright infringement they themselves commissioned when it came back with the conclusion that in almost every circumstance there's no statistically measurable negative link between copyright infringement and profits.
I can afford to save up a bit and buy FW stuff and, living in the UK, I have reasonably easy access to it, but I don't clamber up on to a high horse so I can pish on folk who go elsewhere. Then again, I don't see myself as some kind of Volunteer Copyright Police Officer for big companies as some folk evidently do.
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2018/09/27 14:34:09
Subject: Re: Middle-earth SBG - Gondor at War, Gandalf+Pippin p. 43
Frankly, I'm surprised at how many fanatic War of the Ring players are on Dakka. Very specifically, hardcore War of the Ring players that didn't own any Foot Knights of Dol Amroth and are now suddenly struck by the need to own twenty four of them NOW instead of acquiring them during the twelve years that the metal ones were in production.
Or is it a case of there suddenly being an infection sweeping across the internet of people rediscovering the mediocrity of War of the Ring, falling in love with it, and all simultaneously deciding to collect armies composed entirely of Foot Knights of Dol Amroth?
"...and special thanks to Judgedoug!" - Alessio Cavatore "Now you've gone too far Doug! ... Too far... " - Rick Priestley "I've decided that I'd rather not have you as a member of TMP." - Editor, The Miniatures Page "I'd rather put my testicles through a mangle than spend any time gaming with you." - Richard, TooFatLardies "We need a Doug Craig in every store." - Warlord Games "Thank you for being here, Judge Doug!" - Adam Troke
2018/09/27 15:51:54
Subject: Middle-earth SBG - Gondor at War, Gandalf+Pippin p. 43
To be honest only one poster said anything about buying this new knights. The rest of the discussion was a more about a general problem using this specific case as an example.
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
2018/09/27 23:16:53
Subject: Middle-earth SBG - Gondor at War, Gandalf+Pippin p. 43
judgedoug wrote: Frankly, I'm surprised at how many fanatic War of the Ring players are on Dakka. Very specifically, hardcore War of the Ring players that didn't own any Foot Knights of Dol Amroth and are now suddenly struck by the need to own twenty four of them NOW instead of acquiring them during the twelve years that the metal ones were in production.
Or is it a case of there suddenly being an infection sweeping across the internet of people rediscovering the mediocrity of War of the Ring, falling in love with it, and all simultaneously deciding to collect armies composed entirely of Foot Knights of Dol Amroth?
The first models I purchased from GW back in 2007 were the metal foot knights of Dol Amroth, it was entirely my intention to play LOTR but when I paraded into my local FLGS with my box of easterlings and warriors of minas tirith along with some foot knights I was sorely disappointed that literally zero people in my area played the game. Then I looked at the GW wall and saw some 40k Orks...and that lead to me playing 40k for the past 11 years.
I only recently discovered WOTR about 6 months ago, Im a big fan of the Medieval TW2 mod called "Third Age Reforged", I love the massive scale of the game and the really creative units the Devs had come up with in order to make every faction, (even one as underdeveloped as Dol Amroth in the lore) a playable army in itself. I also have a fondness for re-writing game systems to purge them of idiotic rules (7th edition Look Out Sir! for example) and after reading the WOTR rule system, I determined it was a fantastic game system that was brought low due to insanely unbalanced army lists. So for the past few months I have been writing new army lists for WOTR using the unique units from Third Age Reforged as a template.
Coincidentally about the same time that I started this re-writing process, FW previewed these fantastic Foot Knights, and since Dol Amroth is aesthetically my favorite out of all LOTR factions, I was pretty excited naturally. (Plus first model nostalgia). Fast forward to now, I have truly balanced army lists written for almost every faction in the Middle Earth setting, all with new units giving plenty of conversion and painting options. Seeing as I have written Dol Amroth into its own army list, I have a reason to purchase a large amount of them. As well as a bunch of Gondor warrior boxes to use for men at arms and such.
That about sums up my "infection" haha. I haven't had a reason to purchase them for 12 years, and when I did, new ones were on the way.
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2018/09/28 01:39:15
Subject: Middle-earth SBG - Gondor at War, Gandalf+Pippin p. 43
judgedoug wrote: Frankly, I'm surprised at how many fanatic War of the Ring players are on Dakka. Very specifically, hardcore War of the Ring players that didn't own any Foot Knights of Dol Amroth and are now suddenly struck by the need to own twenty four of them NOW instead of acquiring them during the twelve years that the metal ones were in production.
Or is it a case of there suddenly being an infection sweeping across the internet of people rediscovering the mediocrity of War of the Ring, falling in love with it, and all simultaneously deciding to collect armies composed entirely of Foot Knights of Dol Amroth?
I think this is a little bit of an unfair characterisation of the reaction to the new SK models. At least in so far as it affects me.I think only one person specifically mentioned WOTR? For me, I'd like to have at least 12, preferably 18, of them. I don't play WOTR, but I also just like owning blocks of infantry - I'm more of a painter, collector and displayer than a gamer. For that to be possible, I'll be dropping £96 just for the 18 Knights. It's a tough sell and one I'll have to think about, that's all. And that's coming from someone who owns a bunch of FW items and has taken the hit and justified the cost to myself. These are just a bit tough, that's all.
As for buying the old metals at the time, quite frankly I found them very goofy - especially the helmets and some of the postures. So they were never really an option! I guess feeling a bit miffed that these great new models are made but come with a hefty premium is part of it, to me.
But hey - they've still got nothing on plastic Primaris Marine characters!!
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2018/09/28 11:33:17
Subject: Re: Middle-earth SBG - Gondor at War, Gandalf+Pippin p. 43
I like the new Knights and would gladly buy 1 or 2 sets of new, remodelled Warriors of Rohan for that pricetag.
As for the illegal casting of LotR minis, just look at ebay. There are some "rare" minis that get selled mutiple times and in a very suspicious condition (out of the blister, not stripped of colour, no bended weapons, "strange" metal, etc.). People still buy them, just to have them. Even if they know, they don´t buy original products.
I hope GW´s plan to reproduce this rare minis on demand for a while, harms this "business".
And I´m hoping for an Eomer in plastic in the next wave.
2018/09/28 16:13:24
Subject: Re: Middle-earth SBG - Gondor at War, Gandalf+Pippin p. 43
"...and special thanks to Judgedoug!" - Alessio Cavatore "Now you've gone too far Doug! ... Too far... " - Rick Priestley "I've decided that I'd rather not have you as a member of TMP." - Editor, The Miniatures Page "I'd rather put my testicles through a mangle than spend any time gaming with you." - Richard, TooFatLardies "We need a Doug Craig in every store." - Warlord Games "Thank you for being here, Judge Doug!" - Adam Troke
2018/09/29 00:23:40
Subject: Re: Middle-earth SBG - Gondor at War, Gandalf+Pippin p. 43
BlaxicanX wrote: A young business man named Tom Kirby, who was a pupil of mine until he turned greedy, helped the capitalists hunt down and destroy the wargamers. He betrayed and murdered Games Workshop.
2018/09/29 02:26:39
Subject: Re: Middle-earth SBG - Gondor at War, Gandalf+Pippin p. 43
A second book, catering to the armies from The Hobbit™, is due out later this year.
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
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2018/09/29 04:54:46
Subject: Middle-earth SBG - Gondor at War, Gandalf+Pippin p. 43
What’s the state of the version that was played with th company movement trays? Is that still a thing in the new version or does this just cover the single figure type game?
2018/09/29 07:04:23
Subject: Middle-earth SBG - Gondor at War, Gandalf+Pippin p. 43
Since the 1st of September, and the release of the new edition of the Middle-earth Strategy Battle Game, the beacons of war have blazed hot – from the walls of Minas Tirith to Mordor, the Shire and far, far beyond.
The reception from you – the fans, collectors and gamers – has been incredible. So much so, in fact, that we sold out of a number of kits completely in various locations around the world. That is both humbling for us, and also a call to arms to the tireless legions who man our factory and warehouses. Most of the items we ran out of have already been restocked and are ready for order right now – and we’re pulling out all the stops to get the rest ready to go very soon.
As a second point, many of you have also asked if we can bring back some of the older models from The Lord of the Rings™ that had faded from our range – it’s like you read our minds! The legions of Isengard need Lurtz (especially after his rules have improved so much in the new Armies of the Lord of the Rings book) and what Mansion of the Dwarves would be complete without Durin to lead it? We’ve heard your call, and the fires of industry are already burning. In fact, a selection of models will become available again from our webstore in the coming weeks with even more arriving before Christmas.
Spoiler:
All this news sits alongside some very exciting plans to release a swathe of fantastic NEW models, along with new expansions. The future looks very bright for the Middle-earth Strategy Battle Game.
One last thing before we leave you: some weeks ago at the NOVA Open, we teased an image of the forthcoming Gandalf the White and Peregrin Took model. Well, we’d like to give you another little sneak peak. Feast your eyes on the dismounted versions of Gandalf and Pippin from the same set!
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As always we’ll bring you more details when we have them! For now, if you want to get started, you can pick up the Middle-earth Strategy Battle Game Rules Manual and Armies of The Lord of the Rings™.
"...and special thanks to Judgedoug!" - Alessio Cavatore "Now you've gone too far Doug! ... Too far... " - Rick Priestley "I've decided that I'd rather not have you as a member of TMP." - Editor, The Miniatures Page "I'd rather put my testicles through a mangle than spend any time gaming with you." - Richard, TooFatLardies "We need a Doug Craig in every store." - Warlord Games "Thank you for being here, Judge Doug!" - Adam Troke
2018/10/11 15:08:07
Subject: Re: Middle-earth SBG - Gondor at War, Gandalf+Pippin p. 43
Aa usual, I'm not sure the current painting style does the sculpt any favours but I can't wait to get my hands on those. These continue to be exciting times.
2018/10/12 13:08:59
Subject: Middle-earth SBG - Gondor at War, Gandalf+Pippin p. 43
I'll definitely get these two Orcs in the future Looking very good. I do have the old Guritz, but you can never have too many Orcs. Especially in Orktober.
2018/10/12 16:28:54
Subject: Middle-earth SBG - Gondor at War, Gandalf+Pippin p. 43
Looking forward to my next FW order - Guritz & Murgash, and probably a set of Goblin Mercs and a Troll Brute.
"...and special thanks to Judgedoug!" - Alessio Cavatore "Now you've gone too far Doug! ... Too far... " - Rick Priestley "I've decided that I'd rather not have you as a member of TMP." - Editor, The Miniatures Page "I'd rather put my testicles through a mangle than spend any time gaming with you." - Richard, TooFatLardies "We need a Doug Craig in every store." - Warlord Games "Thank you for being here, Judge Doug!" - Adam Troke
2018/10/16 08:07:25
Subject: Middle-earth SBG - Gondor at War, Gandalf+Pippin p. 43
I asked on the Warhammer 40'000 Facebook page (I though I was posting on the Warhammer community page ) about reprints of the LoTR journey books with updated profiles. They said though haven't heard anything about that, there was a Gordor related book being worked on.
I love Tolkien's works, but I'm not exactly a lore master when it comes to Lord of the Rings, and I can't begin to think what they're alluding to.
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2018/10/16 08:27:30
Subject: Middle-earth SBG - Gondor at War, Gandalf+Pippin p. 43
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
2018/10/16 19:39:19
Subject: Middle-earth SBG - Gondor at War, Gandalf+Pippin p. 43
Gondor At War is the upcoming supplement, the first in a series of new books for Middle-earth that will feature campaigns, scenarios, new units, and new army lists for specific battles. It focuses on every aspect of Gondor during the Third Age and the War of the Ring.
(gondor in flames is the very old 2003-era book)
"...and special thanks to Judgedoug!" - Alessio Cavatore "Now you've gone too far Doug! ... Too far... " - Rick Priestley "I've decided that I'd rather not have you as a member of TMP." - Editor, The Miniatures Page "I'd rather put my testicles through a mangle than spend any time gaming with you." - Richard, TooFatLardies "We need a Doug Craig in every store." - Warlord Games "Thank you for being here, Judge Doug!" - Adam Troke
2018/10/16 20:41:04
Subject: Middle-earth SBG - Gondor at War, Gandalf+Pippin p. 43
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
ERJAK wrote: Forcing a 40k player to keep playing 7th is basically a hate crime.
2018/10/16 21:17:22
Subject: Middle-earth SBG - Gondor at War, Gandalf+Pippin p. 43
Guritz and Gothmog's Enforcer both arrived today. Delighted with the quality. Just like the Swan Knights, they're an immaculate cast. Great details and no blur, warpage or holes in the cast. I'll be honest, I was a little worried hearing FW would be handling resin models for LOTR but I really shouldn't have been. Between the Knights and this, they're demonstrably top quality.
If you're on the fence - get them!!
2018/10/20 06:13:06
Subject: Middle-earth SBG - Gondor at War, Gandalf+Pippin p. 43
The legendary “FW quality” mostly affects older kits with worn moulds that warp like mofos. Their newer stuff is always good quality in my experience. Not even close to the best resin I’ve seen but perfectly ok.
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2018/10/22 16:48:35
Subject: Middle-earth SBG - Gondor at War, Gandalf+Pippin p. 43
I can attest that the newest Middle-earth releases from Forge World are directly on par with the finest resin casts I have received from Mierce. To be honest, I can not even imagine how one would improve these newer FW casts. The older FW stuff I've gotten looks like an amateur garage kit in comparison.
"...and special thanks to Judgedoug!" - Alessio Cavatore "Now you've gone too far Doug! ... Too far... " - Rick Priestley "I've decided that I'd rather not have you as a member of TMP." - Editor, The Miniatures Page "I'd rather put my testicles through a mangle than spend any time gaming with you." - Richard, TooFatLardies "We need a Doug Craig in every store." - Warlord Games "Thank you for being here, Judge Doug!" - Adam Troke
2018/10/22 16:53:28
Subject: Middle-earth SBG - Gondor at War, Gandalf+Pippin p. 43
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Have a look, I guarantee you will not see greyer armies, EVER! Now with at least 4 shades of grey