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 infinite_array wrote:
It's Kickstarter adjacent, but for those of you who may be unaware, IWM has begun releasing metal versions of the plastic CGL redesigns. Some even have variant parts.

Now that's a very good idea; premium metal versions for people that are willing to buy.

chaos0xomega wrote:

 kodos wrote:
if GW models are not markers, any conversion or not exactly building a unit as it is supposed to be would be a problem
not even talking about old models that have different size or 3rd party models

I'm surprised that you seem to have never encountered the phrase "modeling for advantage". It originated in the 40k community, and its still primarily used within the GW hobby and virtually nowhere else.

Never on the Table, and 5th Edition was the only one were we had real arguments here about
but not because someone converted things but how to handle the original GW models inside units that gave an advantage, as someone using the kneeling models to build the "first rank, second rank" closed formation that was available in the IG Codex from the previous edition doing something "bad" now

but it was a short discussion and all events here used the house rule that no matter how the actual model looks like, it is treated as the standard standing model of that type

I know this comes up from time to time here on dakka, but it was never a big problem in reality


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 infinite_array wrote:
It's Kickstarter adjacent, but for those of you who may be unaware, IWM has begun releasing metal versions of the plastic CGL redesigns. Some even have variant parts.]

those with the variant parts are very interesting, buying one use magnets and you can switch as you like, not only with the metal one but also using it for the PCV models

chaos0xomega wrote:

 kodos wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
They look no better or worse than the current starterbox minis.

No better or worse than what I was expecting, to be honest. "Nice enough" but mainly boardgame markers, nothing like high end resin or metal minis. And that's pefectly OK.

Of course, I'd love to be able to get the actual 3d files, but well... that ain't happening.

keep in mind that battletech minis basicly ARE boardgame markers.

which minis used for gaming are NOT boardgame markers?

Games in which the three dimensional volume of the miniature are relevant to the purposes of gameplay - which actually makes GW's miniatures legitimately not just boardgame markers. You couldn't replace them with wood meeples or a monopoly piece and still play the same game (whereas a game like warmachine or infinity the models third dimensional is essentially irrelevant due to the way the mechanics relate to its volume).

Well, there is a reason why so many miniature games are swapping to standarized volumes for size, after all.

Albertorius:

Don't suppose you can elaborate on that comment on "swapping to standardized volumes for size, after all."

I'm guessing they're referring to games that use a standard size cylinder for each base size of model, to sticking out arms/wings/antennae etc can't be used to target/see the model

It seems like it. But which games are these?

Infinity and Star Wars Legion are good examples. The use of silhouette templates means that the three-dimensional volume of the model is standardized regardless of the models actual physical size.

Warmahordes also work like that, and that's only speaking about more mainstream games.

Batman or Deadzone also work like that, for example.

Deadzone doesn't work like that - it's true line of sight, and you only need to be able to see the tip of a hand or gun, and that could be well outside of the base. It has the opposite situation with cover that most games have - you have cover by default and then if you can see every part of the model including all of the base, you get a clear shot bonus.

MrPieChee wrote:
Deadzone doesn't work like that - it's true line of sight, and you only need to be able to see the tip of a hand or gun, and that could be well outside of the base. It has the opposite situation with cover that most games have - you have cover by default and then if you can see every part of the model including all of the base, you get a clear shot bonus.

My bad then. Point is, it's not something that just one or two systems do, and is done for a reason.

True line of sight: Enemy of modders, TOs, and anyone whose height places them more than 2 feet above the game table.

the solution for Deadzone is unique and the exception of the rule

hence Deadzone does not has problems with alternative minis or conversions either

Updated render group shots (lemme know if the pics don't work):

IS


Clan

The lack of Cyclops is perturbing.

Holy cow. So many IS packs that I didn't pledge for.

Much regret!

Stone Rhino looking like a beast there.

Nurglitch wrote:
The lack of Cyclops is perturbing.

We saw the sketch at the end of May - is there any consistency in time between sketches & renders?

 Siygess wrote:
Holy cow. So many IS packs that I didn't pledge for.

Much regret!

I wouldn't have too much regret since who knows how long it'll take for Catalyst to actually produce and distribute these miniatures. It's not like they've got a great track record in this area.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/450703636/battletech-clan-invasion/posts/2935354

Hey Backers,

With nearly everything on the water and moving towards our hubs, where they'll be organized and start shipping out to backers, we received final samples of everything late last week, and we've spent the weekend and the last few days reviewing everything, providing comments back to the manufacturer, and taking photos. And time to share a pile of those photos!

I might get my birthday present before my next birthday then!

I have never needed masses of giant miniature robots more in in my entire life than I do right now, looking at those pics. I'm usually pretty patient with kickstarters, but these pics of the actual models on a real hex map have my blood boiling and I just want to reach through my screen and start priming them. Suddenly, my toys just can't get here soon enough

Those maps really are incredible. If the neoprene maps end up looking just as good I will have to get the set in my wave 2 order.

mumsnarf wrote:
Those maps really are incredible. If the neoprene maps end up looking just as good I will have to get the set in my wave 2 order.

I own two of those neoprene mats and can attest that their are top-notch quality and gorgeous (imo).

Unrelated, I've decided I really don't like the Catalyst Marauder or Archer

Isn't 3-4 maps considered the tactical sweet-spot for allowing flanking with even extreme range weapons? If so, should I add four to the next wave?

I got one of each of the neoprene mats, I am excited.

Im really wishing I had sprung the extra $20 or whatever for split wave shipping, instead of having to wait the extra 6+ months for everything.

I feel like a kid on Christmas Eve looking at those pictures.

I haven't been as excited about a product since the long wait for Heroquest in the late 80s.

So I was looking at the Clan Striker Star and it occurred to me:

Vapour Eagle :: Phoenix Hawk C
Conjurer :: Shadow Hawk C
Horned Owl :: Griffin C
Incubus :: Wasp/Stinger C

Okay, so I didn't get in on this because I already have more rulebooks & boxed sets than is good for me, what is the best way to get all the IS mechs from this? (I'm not much of a Clanner)

The Inner Sphere mechs are all available separately.
Inner Sphere Command Lance is one of the two IS first wave releases. Marauder, Archer, Valkyrie, and Stinger are in this set.

Inner Sphere Battle Lance is second IS first wave release. Warhammer, Rifleman, Phoenix Hawk, and Wasp are in this set.

 Stormonu wrote:
Okay, so I didn't get in on this because I already have more rulebooks & boxed sets than is good for me, what is the best way to get all the IS mechs from this? (I'm not much of a Clanner)

Because of how the Kickstarter is structured, your best bet is going to be to get a Star Colonel pledge when the pledge manager reopens. There are 11 IS/Comstar packs (12 if you count the legendary pack) and Star Colonel has 12 picks. That also gives you some extras to sell/trade from the Clan side.