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 RaptorusRex wrote:
I wonder how they are going to handle Malerion, if he does exist, contrary to what this snippet claims. When the End Times came around, Malekith got a redemption arc of sorts. He became the Eternity King, got to marry Alarielle (even though that was kind of a loveless marriage), and outlawed the Cult of Khaine. I doubt he'll be too happy with Morathi bringing back the Cult.

He was kinda complicit in Morathi bringing the Cult back.

 RaptorusRex wrote:
I wonder how they are going to handle Malerion, if he does exist, contrary to what this snippet claims. When the End Times came around, Malekith got a redemption arc of sorts. He became the Eternity King, got to marry Alarielle (even though that was kind of a loveless marriage), and outlawed the Cult of Khaine. I doubt he'll be too happy with Morathi bringing back the Cult.

The Cult of Khaine that's in operation now is very different to what it was in the past.

1) The Cult no longer has any Chaos influence besides the bodily mutation to Morathi and the souls saved from Slannesh's belly (which is a constant all the Aelves rescued that way suffer with). So there's no lingering taint or call to chaos. If anything the cult is almost as dedicated to the destruction of chaos as it is the worship of khaine

2) He's likely aware that Khaine isn't even getting the worship energy and that Morathi is siphoning off the power for herself. I think one of the Maligan Portents stories even suggests that he's aware of her trick into twisting of the harvesting spell so she gets more souls.

3) Whilst I don't think they love each other like mother and son (heck Morathi is insanely jealous that he's got godlike power and she has to steal power to get a demi-god powers); they are the last remains of their people in god-form and who survived the Old World. That seems to build a shaky alliance between them. You can tell its not perfect because Morathi was pushed into the darkest corner of the Realm of Shadow whilst Malarion rules almost all the rest (or at least the vast body of the central regions).

4) In the Malign Portents stories we see the two conversing cordially. So they at least get on or see mutual benefit. Considering that the other Aelf gods and Sigmar were all allied heavily against them in the Old World, chances are the pair of them see in each other an essential ally within allies. Someone who they can trust or at least understand better than the others.


He won't war or turn on her overtly, the Cult forms too useful a tool. But I'd wager he would look to ensure her position doesn't rise to challenge his own - be it by spread of the Cult and/or her own power growing. She, meanwhile is likely more than willing to find ways to subvert, control or otherwise steal Malarion's powers and influence.

A big difference now is he needed, and still needs, Morathi's help in the whole chaining-Slaanesh bits. He is aware of Morathi's shenanigans but at the same time I suspect it raises far less of a concern to him when he is a full god and her powerful but explicitly not a goddess.

At any rate, I have been pretty happy with how GW has developed the fluff for AoS and I'd bet they do something cool for Malerion.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
...and I'd bet they do something cool for Malerion.

Hopefully that includes a sweet model that's more Morathi than Teclis.

 Overread wrote:

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 RaptorusRex wrote:
I wonder how they are going to handle Malerion, if he does exist, contrary to what this snippet claims. When the End Times came around, Malekith got a redemption arc of sorts. He became the Eternity King, got to marry Alarielle (even though that was kind of a loveless marriage), and outlawed the Cult of Khaine. I doubt he'll be too happy with Morathi bringing back the Cult.

The Cult of Khaine that's in operation now is very different to what it was in the past.

1) The Cult no longer has any Chaos influence besides the bodily mutation to Morathi and the souls saved from Slannesh's belly (which is a constant all the Aelves rescued that way suffer with). So there's no lingering taint or call to chaos. If anything the cult is almost as dedicated to the destruction of chaos as it is the worship of khaine

2) He's likely aware that Khaine isn't even getting the worship energy and that Morathi is siphoning off the power for herself. I think one of the Maligan Portents stories even suggests that he's aware of her trick into twisting of the harvesting spell so she gets more souls.

3) Whilst I don't think they love each other like mother and son (heck Morathi is insanely jealous that he's got godlike power and she has to steal power to get a demi-god powers); they are the last remains of their people in god-form and who survived the Old World. That seems to build a shaky alliance between them. You can tell its not perfect because Morathi was pushed into the darkest corner of the Realm of Shadow whilst Malarion rules almost all the rest (or at least the vast body of the central regions).

4) In the Malign Portents stories we see the two conversing cordially. So they at least get on or see mutual benefit. Considering that the other Aelf gods and Sigmar were all allied heavily against them in the Old World, chances are the pair of them see in each other an essential ally within allies. Someone who they can trust or at least understand better than the others.


He won't war or turn on her overtly, the Cult forms too useful a tool. But I'd wager he would look to ensure her position doesn't rise to challenge his own - be it by spread of the Cult and/or her own power growing. She, meanwhile is likely more than willing to find ways to subvert, control or otherwise steal Malarion's powers and influence.

That was a really good overview/summary - thank you very much for posting it!

Lumineth Realm-lords on pre-order next week.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/06/14/sunday-preview-a-tale-of-two-boxes/

 Ghaz wrote:
Lumineth Realm-lords on pre-order next week.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/06/14/sunday-preview-a-tale-of-two-boxes/

Their Army Box, anyway. Been a looong wait but we can finally grab some of these champs!

Oh... That's it?
2 units, a hero and a book is an army box now?

I guess they wanted a box of the stuff that just looked like high elves.

Voss wrote:
Oh... That's it?
2 units, a hero and a book is an army box now?

I guess they wanted a box of the stuff that just looked like high elves.

We've known that the initial Lumineth release was going to be a Start Collecting style box (and it's contents) since Preview 2 back in April.

Yeah and like Sisters of Battle chances are the rest will arrive in a weeks time or so (though Corona messing up plans might have cause GW to shift some dates).

 Ghaz wrote:

Voss wrote:
Oh... That's it?
2 units, a hero and a book is an army box now?

I guess they wanted a box of the stuff that just looked like high elves.

We've known that the initial Lumineth release was going to be a Start Collecting style box (and it's contents) since Preview 2 back in April.

Ok? I figured they'd want to do something with the other kits as well at this point.
Forgive me if I didn't memorize details about a line that turned out disappointing.

Odds are good rest comes week later. Even if initial plan was 2 month gap like sisters the corona caused 3 month releases t be crammed to 1 so gw has lest dates waiting around.

Not sure but if i had to make a bet next week announcement for rest

Two units, a special character, a collector's edition battletome, army tokens, army dice, themed measuring gauge, and spell/ability cards. Less models than old army boxes, but more bling. I imagine some will like that and some will not.

This is effectively Start Collecting! set worth of models for twice the cost of SC.

jullevi wrote:
This is effectively Start Collecting! set worth of models for twice the cost of SC.

That is plainly untrue.

Two units and a character is pretty standard for SC sets nowadays although the actual Start Collecting set will contain some other character for sure.

My point was that this set contains the same amount of models than normal Start Collecting! sets but the book and dice make it considerably more expensive. It is still a good way to start a Lumineth army and I bet this will sell like hotcakes due to being new army and fear of missing out.

Jeez, they had to put the crazy cow hat on the cover. Either someone actually think it looks cool, or they just trolling us along.

I suppose that makes it likely we will see Eltharion on the regular cover.

Not that it matter (but it really do)

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

jullevi wrote:
This is effectively Start Collecting! set worth of models for twice the cost of SC.

That is plainly untrue.

80€ of the start collecting box + 30€ for the book +15 for the dice= 125 and the box costs 145€. Yeah I don't see the deal here.

Agreed, it's totally a Start Collecting! (and even on the lighter side of SC! boxes, I would say) + Book + a significant markup for some useless gak.

Of course collectors gonna collect and be happy about it, but it's far from the perfect starting point for a lot of players. It's like a preorder markup instead of a preorder discount.

Light SC. 2 units + hero when many are 2 heroes+hero+monster or vehicle(depending on game)

I'll wait for standard releases, currently just want a unit of cavalry.

I wouldn't really use the SC price as a comparison for this as we'll probably not see an SC for Lumineth for the next coming year and none exist currently. Add to that this is the limited edition tomes the price is higher than normal tomes.

The savings are minimal in this, but there are slight savings. However, this is a collector's item more than anything else.

I just wonder how much delay there will be between this box and the actual release. It was like a month or so between the SoB box and the actual SoB release(and then a longer wait between wave 1 and 2).

145euro for box...okay that's pass. Either i get modeis plus book(maybe even with better cover) or solo boxes are even more expensive that i fear making interst on army zero. It's win-win with no scenario i regret not buying.

Sisters were 2 month for first wave, week to 2nd and about 2 month for 3rd and last. But as gw is condesating 3 months releases to 1 could easily be next week. There's something non-40k next week to be announced by sound of rumours. Rest of elves would make sense. This originally on april, rest here(at lightest time of year) and corona 3 to 1 condensation.

Just noticed the article mentions that this content makes a 1000 point army. That means that the points are either way out of whack, or this is a super elite army. It also could be that the Light of Eltharion is just really expensive as a hero as well.

 Sasori wrote:
Just noticed the article mentions that this content makes a 1000 point army. That means that the points are either way out of whack, or this is a super elite army. It also could be that the Light of Eltharion is just really expensive as a hero as well.

It doesn’t explicitly say though that it’s a 1000pt list, but says you’ll have, “the makings of,” a 1k list. The leaked points a while back from the white dwarf, or whereverr it came from, suggest this box set is actually about 470pts, but has the HQ and 2 troops you need for a 1k list. So I’d say that’s what they’re referring to.

Unless they spelled it out badly and meant good start toward 1000 pts...if not either super elite(but elves are unlikely to be very tough so that would end up badly) or eltharion breaks norms being god like modei that isn't gargantuan sized

 Tiberius501 wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
Just noticed the article mentions that this content makes a 1000 point army. That means that the points are either way out of whack, or this is a super elite army. It also could be that the Light of Eltharion is just really expensive as a hero as well.

It doesn’t explicitly say though that it’s a 1000pt list, but says you’ll have, “the makings of,” a 1k list. The leaked points a while back from the white dwarf, or whereverr it came from, suggest this box set is actually about 470pts, but has the HQ and 2 troops you need for a 1k list. So I’d say that’s what they’re referring to.

Fair point. Wish they had worded it a bit better.

I wonder if I'm more likely to get a better deal grabbing Eltharion from somebody parting out this box or just wait for the empty armor's individual release.

 Sasori wrote:

 Tiberius501 wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
Just noticed the article mentions that this content makes a 1000 point army. That means that the points are either way out of whack, or this is a super elite army. It also could be that the Light of Eltharion is just really expensive as a hero as well.

It doesn’t explicitly say though that it’s a 1000pt list, but says you’ll have, “the makings of,” a 1k list. The leaked points a while back from the white dwarf, or whereverr it came from, suggest this box set is actually about 470pts, but has the HQ and 2 troops you need for a 1k list. So I’d say that’s what they’re referring to.

Fair point. Wish they had worded it a bit better.

Yep me too haha, it’s pretty vague.

 Galas wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

jullevi wrote:
This is effectively Start Collecting! set worth of models for twice the cost of SC.

That is plainly untrue.

80€ of the start collecting box + 30€ for the book +15 for the dice= 125 and the box costs 145€. Yeah I don't see the deal here.

I do not mean to comment on the value, I mean is stating it is a set of start collecting models for twice the price is obviously untrue. Which it is, objectively.

How much value the box has is a different point.


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 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I wonder if I'm more likely to get a better deal grabbing Eltharion from somebody parting out this box or just wait for the empty armor's individual release.

They will probably give him the traditional special character price bump, getting him while he's being parted out will probably be cheaper if not equal in price.