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Haughty Harad Serpent Rider





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Huh? What's wrong with their legs? They look like iron man.

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They're not thick n' chunky but it looks fine for being not-chunky-heroic scale.

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34,000 KS exclusive acrylic counters need sorting and bagging

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 judgedoug wrote:
Huh? What's wrong with their legs? They look like iron man.

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They're not thick n' chunky but it looks fine for being not-chunky-heroic scale.


Bad poses... the part above the knee makes it too thin for a human leg. The bad pose makes it seem like he is lurching along naturally. Ironman's armor int hat picture looks like armor, and the mechanical parts are fictional assumed to be there. The exoskeleton look of the enforcers armor is too thick and big and mechanical for legs to be within those plates. the person in that suit would need to be a malnutritioned beanpole.

I was told like a majority of mantic's bad models, 'looks better in person' as flaws from one angle somehow gone in person. I have seen them in person. It doesn't look good. A models can look good from all angles.

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nkelsch wrote:

The exoskeleton look of the enforcers armor is too thick and big and mechanical for legs to be within those plates. the person in that suit would need to be a malnutritioned beanpole.


Dude... I dunno. I think they look like Iron Man's knees. I don't see anything to complain about. But I'm a fan of truescale and not heroic chunky scale, so shrug I guess.
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 judgedoug wrote:
nkelsch wrote:

The exoskeleton look of the enforcers armor is too thick and big and mechanical for legs to be within those plates. the person in that suit would need to be a malnutritioned beanpole.


Dude... I dunno. I think they look like Iron Man's knees. I don't see anything to complain about. But I'm a fan of truescale and not heroic chunky scale, so shrug I guess.
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Not even the pose? The really unnatural pose which doesn't look good from any angle?

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Melbourne .au

 Pacific wrote:
I agree - think the Enforcers are lovely sculpts, and look really good when assembled! I think if you could accuse anything of being half-arsed about them it would have to be the production method (hybrid kit) rather than the actual quality of the sculpt itself.


Yeah, I think they look great as well. I thought that was pretty obvious. And yep, my "half-arsed" comment was about them being hybrid kits.


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nkelsch wrote:

The legs are terrible. The Dreadball version shows how skinny and non-realistic the legs of the Warpath models are. It looks like robot legs, not human legs in a robotic suit. They need to basically retool the legs to be 10% thicker and they know it.


Also, this. As I recall, we discussed that when they were first shown. No room for knees in that armour...

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 scipio.au wrote:
An excellent post, and I'm a little surprised to see it come from you, if only because you've been so positive towards Mantic for the longest time.


Common misconception (and one that you should be aware of by now!), I'm actually one of their biggest (albeit politely spoken and long-winded) critics when posting on their forums.. I focus on trying to make sure they're aware of issues with pricing, material and QC that crop up with their product, as well as being a strong advocate for free, well-balanced rules since they're the thing that really hooked me in the first place.

Whereas when posting on Dakka I focus on highlighting the positives more often simply because the majority of Mantic-related posts on here are negative and gloss over, dismiss, or ignore the good points.*

If you do see me posting something that leans towards a positive bias, it's probably in reply to a post with an overwhelmingly negative bias or in a thread where there is literally nothing but but negativity. I'm not an infallible neutrality machine, but I do tend to call it as I see it, regardless of what opinion that gives people of me. On this forum, I'm seen by some as a Mantic fanboi/ water carrier/ paid corporate shill, whereas on the Mantic forums I'm probably seen by some as "that whining git that never stops whining". For example, I've recently made long posts on there about the free rules release for KoW and QC on the goblin sprue and enforcers, all things which Mantic are aware of and sorting out because they're awesome and do listen to you as long as you're not being a dick about it.

As for Wildcard, pretty much anything female from Mantic tends to result in this wave of "her breasts/hips/waist/feet/face are too big/small/ugly/pretty" internet rage that lasts for months. I'm not saying it isn't valid in places, Wildcard isn't quite as good as the Remy sculpts, but still, it's really amusing. First we had the complaints over no female corp for warpath, now wildcard is causing all kinds of gak. Can't wait to see what happens when the female team is released.. or the BBW MVP for that matter. Should be fun!

*See 100-250 pages of Mantic posts on here for proof of this.

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Melbourne .au

I actually think the issues with Wildcard aren't over her proportions, but her pose. Mantic also aren't exactly overflowing with female sculpts, either. The Vampiress does actually look pretty bad (from the last I saw of it). Um.. there's an Elf sorceress. And a Dark Elf sorceress who looks okay (I have it, somewhere).

I'll answer the Mantic neutrality stuff later. it's after midnight here, and my brain's no longer working well enough for a fully engaging, intelligent and charming reply. I might just come across like a dick instead..

   
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From the Facebook page: Gorin (forgefather MVP) test resin



(shame it wasn't the green, or 'white' if it's a Remy as it would have phographed better)

 
   
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 scipio.au wrote:
I actually think the issues with Wildcard aren't over her proportions, but her pose. Mantic also aren't exactly overflowing with female sculpts, either. The Vampiress does actually look pretty bad (from the last I saw of it). Um.. there's an Elf sorceress. And a Dark Elf sorceress who looks okay (I have it, somewhere).

I'll answer the Mantic neutrality stuff later. it's after midnight here, and my brain's no longer working well enough for a fully engaging, intelligent and charming reply. I might just come across like a dick instead..


Let the spirit of Vinnie fill you...

Anyway, regardless of what anyone might say, I'm sure most posters here are really glad of your input ScarletSquig.. at the risk of sounding like a brown-nosing gakker, it is very appreciated!

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 scipio.au wrote:

I'll answer the Mantic neutrality stuff later. it's after midnight here, and my brain's no longer working well enough for a fully engaging, intelligent and charming reply. I might just come across like a dick instead..


I'm not so sure we need some sort of investigation of his claims - let's take him at his word and go from there, yeah?
   
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If you need any further proof, I'll be the first to point out that the Gorim Ironstone has a scaling issue.

He's sculpted in true-scale, whereas the rest of the forgefather dreadball sculpts are heroic-scale with giant hands.

They're both good-looking sculpts (keeping the closed mask from the concept art would have been better, IMO), but Gorim might look a little bit lean next to the rest of the team.

Hard to tell for sure without comparison shots, though.
   
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Pennsylvania

 scarletsquig wrote:
... For example, I've recently made long posts on there about the free rules release for KoW and QC on the goblin sprue and enforcers, all things which Mantic are aware of and sorting out because they're awesome and do listen to you as long as you're not being a dick about it.


I would like to second this: I gave some rather trenchant criticism of Wildcard through Kickstarter, and the response has been quite cordial, as well as resolving other issues with the kickstarter. A very nice customer service interaction, tip top!

 scarletsquig wrote:
As for Wildcard, pretty much anything female from Mantic tends to result in this wave of "her breasts/hips/waist/feet/face are too big/small/ugly/pretty" internet rage that lasts for months. I'm not saying it isn't valid in places, Wildcard isn't quite as good as the Remy sculpts, but still, it's really amusing. First we had the complaints over no female corp for warpath, now wildcard is causing all kinds of gak. Can't wait to see what happens when the female team is released.. or the BBW MVP for that matter. Should be fun!


In all fairness, has Mantic actually produced a female sculpt in any line that can be regarded as "good", as opposed to simply "inoffensively mediocre"? The only female sculpts I can even think of off hand are the Twilight Kin, which are... ehh.

Wildcard has some pretty obvious flaws as I see them, which turn the model (for me at least) from "that's really got potential" to "at least it's free".

The comparison to Helga (Bertha? I dunno, the big boned woman) are somewhat misplaced in that Helga will be some version of what she clearly is in concept: a rotund woman. People who want that (which, in fairness, does not include me) will be satisfied, one presumes with any realization that stays true to that concept. The only way they would be annoyed is if she came out slender and athletic. Wildcard, by contrast, didn't have to have a crappy pose and gogo boots, but somehow she ended up with them. Go figure.

   
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Norwalk, Connecticut

 scarletsquig wrote:
If you need any further proof, I'll be the first to point out that the Gorim Ironstone has a scaling issue.

He's sculpted in true-scale, whereas the rest of the forgefather dreadball sculpts are heroic-scale with giant hands.

They're both good-looking sculpts (keeping the closed mask from the concept art would have been better, IMO), but Gorim might look a little bit lean next to the rest of the team.

Hard to tell for sure without comparison shots, though.


I'm with you-I'm not a big fan of Gorim's scaling. His whole torso looks WAY too thin. I think I may prefer Wildcard, but I'm reserving judgement on her til I hold the model, since many are saying it doesn't photograph well and is much better in "person." Gorim though looks thinner than any dwarf should be. Arms are fine, legs are okay, head is okay, torso not so much.

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He looks like a human playing Dwarf Dress-up.

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Another test resin, and a much better one IMO (but we have seen the green already for this one)


 
   
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Well I like both sculpts, sure the dwarf seems slightly out of scale compared to the others but it is still a great looking mini so I am fine with it! I would actually preferred if the rest of the team had looked more like him, probably a little too late for that now though..

   
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I don't mind Gorim having smaller hands. We can argue that the lack of excess muscle means he's more deft at catching the ball or something.

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I kinda liked the pumpkins for hands. I will wait for painted shots. John Doe is great still.

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Melbourne .au

 Alpharius wrote:
 scipio.au wrote:

I'll answer the Mantic neutrality stuff later. it's after midnight here, and my brain's no longer working well enough for a fully engaging, intelligent and charming reply. I might just come across like a dick instead..


I'm not so sure we need some sort of investigation of his claims - let's take him at his word and go from there, yeah?


I was being semi-sarcastic about myself actually - and I wasn't planning on having a go at Squiggy. But it was indeed after midnight and I wasn't in the brain-state to reply to his well-written points, which I felt deserved more than "yeah ok" in reply. Bloody hell! Not everything I post is an argument!

At work on lunch right now, so still unable to reply properly.

cheerio.

   
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Another resin test shot, Number 88 this time, good but not great is my take this time


 
   
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Pennsylvania

In all honesty, I don't understand why they bothered posting these resin tests the way they have been photographed. The extreem contrast washes out all the details and makes them look worse then they are.

It looks like the details have been faithfully reproduced (if only from the overall contours), but compare and contrast the green and the test. That's not really the material, it comes down to some bad photography.



The test shot makes it look like they carved the figure out of butter...

   
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The DB glove is still just a blob. I was hoping that they were going to do something about that!

   
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This is how I have been seeing Kickstarter preview sculpts go:

Company: "Here is a preview, it is not complete!"

Fans: "Model has problems, the problems are X, Y, and Z."

Mass agreement ensues

Company: "Trust us it looks better in person, also, it is not complete, you will like the final product."

Months laters, Final product is NO DIFFERENT from the preview unfinished sculpt. That was the final sculpt.

88 does look good, but these washed out white photos of white resin does no one any good. Even taking a final print model and putting a black wash on it to show details is better. Right now it only appears as if Wildcard is the only model potentially going right in the trash. Everything else is either passable or great. Compared to other KS, that is a pretty good ratio IMHO.

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Melbourne .au

A shame that the KS Wildcard will be restic, not metal. I always found metal figures trivial to make small pose adjustments with. Metal bends, after all...

   
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...So does restic. Just use hot water!
Works just as well, in my experience.
   
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Shadeglass Maze

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Another test resin, and a much better one IMO (but we have seen the green already for this one)


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Richmond, VA

 scipio.au wrote:
A shame that the KS Wildcard will be restic, not metal. I always found metal figures trivial to make small pose adjustments with. Metal bends, after all...


Restic is super easy to repose and doesn't "tear" like pewter does (one thing I hated about going from lead to pewter back in the day; lead-free alloys would lose their integrity FAST)

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Bristol

new update says the first boxes have shipped(!)...

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1744629938/dreadball-the-futuristic-sports-game/posts/359595
   
 
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