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Wow that kit looks awesome.

 TheKbob wrote:
We can also see that the game is, in fact, moving to 32mm bases if you compare those shots with traditional tacticals.

I dunno, they don't look different enough for me to say definitively.

 OIIIIIIO wrote:
Ok ... I pre-ordered at my Local Shop ... he is getting 4 and one is mine. Not sure what to do with the 'Nids though ... have no use for them right now. Paint them or sell them? Sell them for how much?

I'm in the same position. Chances are I'll keep the Nids, why knows, one day I might start a Nid army...

D

 th3maninblak wrote:
Wow that kit looks awesome.

Oh, come now, I'm mean, I'm a long way from pulling my hair out over it or hurling myself around my living room with indignation, but it doesn't really look like anything more than a kit bash.

It's a nice thing for BA players, and will be another nice source of bits to customise the C:SM kits with BA icons, but awesome is over stating it a tad, I think you might have just have been waiting too long!

 Sidstyler wrote:

The game? I find that unlikely. Marine models moving to 32mm, though, that much seems apparent.

Far too early to start claiming this is a huge, gamewide change that will affect every infantry model mounted on a 25mm base.

Gretchin will look silly on 32mm bases.

I'm not big fan of this new base policy. OK, 32mm bases make sense for Jump infantry (and probably they'd be better for Terminators as well), but Tactical marines are just fine on 25mm bases. Also, the base size creep just keeps coming - now we have models which were doing fine on 60mm bases moved to oval bases...why? Oval bases are, as already noted, troublesome. Also oversized bases are just annoying in gameplay, and make template weapons less effective - already small blast weapons tend to be quite pointless as they almost never catch more than 2 hits at the time.

I'd be happier if somebody from GW explained the thinking behind it, if we had an idea of the thinking behind it, it might be easier to make a call on whether it was good, bad or neutral.

Not that that's going to happen.

 Azreal13 wrote:

 th3maninblak wrote:
Wow that kit looks awesome.

Oh, come now, I'm mean, I'm a long way from pulling my hair out over it or hurling myself around my living room with indignation, but it doesn't really look like anything more than a kit bash.

It's a nice thing for BA players, and will be another nice source of bits to customise the C:SM kits with BA icons, but awesome is over stating it a tad, I think you might have just have been waiting too long!

The LGS i play at has a bunch of the sick pre heresy style jump packs from Maxmini, so ill just buy the tac marines and make them into jump infantry. The power sword and some of the bits look new, and it seems like itll be a great buy for conversions if nothing else

 Azreal13 wrote:
I'd be happier if somebody from GW explained the thinking behind it, if we had an idea of the thinking behind it, it might be easier to make a call on whether it was good, bad or neutral.

Not that that's going to happen.

Imagine the troubles GW might have navigated if they just gave people some idea of their goals with the game.

 Accolade wrote:

Imagine the troubles GW might have navigated if they just gave people some idea of their goals with the game.

Collecting is the hobby, the game is just something to do with your collectibles. Agreeing about what kind of game you'd like to play before playing it is imperative.

That's the general tone from the White Dwarf articles these days. Not something I want to play, let alone fork over mountains of cash towards.

TACTICALHEAVYFLAMERTACTICALHEAVYFLAMERTACTICALHEAVYFLAMER

*passes out*

Soooo cool...

Also, multiple Crusader pattern helmets in one box? Yes please. I don't care that I already have six tactical squads. Buying 1 box at least.

 Accolade wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
I'd be happier if somebody from GW explained the thinking behind it, if we had an idea of the thinking behind it, it might be easier to make a call on whether it was good, bad or neutral.

Not that that's going to happen.

Imagine the troubles GW might have navigated if they just gave people some idea of their goals with the game.

I'm guessing the word you were looking for was "mitigated".

And at this point, I don't think Games Workshop sees any reason to share that information. They'll just get the same bajillion different opinions like they do now, but won't have an excuse for not replying to those complaints.

Sidstyler wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Huh, a completely pointless new box of models save for the heavy flamer. ...Will probably pick one or two up...

So then not entirely pointless, it would seem?

I said pointless, not bad. It looks really cool, but it really doesn't bring anything new to the table. I will be getting one or two so I can buy jump packs for them to make jump infantry.

Interesting. From the photos on the link....

Anyone notice the grav-gun?

The thing that really confuses my about the base size is the fact that geensteeles are still on the small ones.. so that is clearly not going away as a size, but it dont make sense having normal marines on 32mm

 DarkStarSabre wrote:
Interesting. From the photos on the link....

Anyone notice the grav-gun?

A couple of people referenced it. Still, pretty cool they get them. Poor Dark Angels don't get squat.

The marines often don't fit well on the 25mm, so honestly it does make sense to up the base size.

so the death company squad box is gone from the website;

and at the moment the blood angels don't have any plastic troops box or fast attack infantry.

It is probably a combined box with death compnay, tactical squad and assault squad bits which will be sold as blood angels/death company.

Well slap me sideways and call me sally, I was adamant this would be an incorrect rumour, I've never been happier to be wrong.

So many awesome looking bits, can;t wait to see more pics and get a better look.

Box of 5 models £30 I imagine if they do include jump packs etc as if it is a 10 man box which also includes jump packs £40 for a tac/ DC/ assault squad?

WD cover...

Blood Angels tactical squad on big bases?

...feth it, I'm in

Well, I think marines do fit more neatly onto the 32mm bases, but my inner neat-freak does not like the thought of fielding two tactical squads with different sized bases alongside each other. Foamcore, as mentioned, might be a consideration.

BA tacticals are nice, but damn I REALLY want to see a new Assault squad kit. I like the idea of kitting the tacts out as DC.

I hate this drip-feed-last-minute nonsense, any other company would be building up weeks in advance with previews, especially with Christmas being a consideration.

As it is my seasonal gift/treating myself spending is done, anything they put out now I won't even consider buying until after the new year, if they'd put out a press release or something a month ago they might have snagged a lot more of my cash. Not that this practise of theirs has come as a surprise.

 pizzaguardian wrote:
so the death company squad box is gone from the website;

and at the moment the blood angels don't have any plastic troops box or fast attack infantry.

It is probably a combined box with death compnay, tactical squad and assault squad bits which will be sold as blood angels/death company.

It would be a little like the Space Wolves Wolf Pack box if that was the case. But it would need ten jump packs in order to even be useful.

 Bull0 wrote:
Blood Angels tactical squad on big bases?

...feth it, I'm in

those look like standard bases. I suspect it is just Death company getting the bigger bases as they seem to have been pulled form the GW website. Or possibly jump units getting the 32mm.

Those are deffo 32mm bases on the tac squad. If it was 25mm like usual their feet would be at the edge

Why tactical squad?

How could it be less BA?

Why not assault squad?

[/facepalm]

I think I understand the change to Space Marines to 32mm
It is the Genestealers [well the old metal ones] who needed to be on the 32mm Bases.

 Azreal13 wrote:
I'd be happier if somebody from GW explained the thinking behind it, if we had an idea of the thinking behind it, it might be easier to make a call on whether it was good, bad or neutral.

Not that that's going to happen.

That's assuming there was thinking behind it.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

 Accolade wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
I'd be happier if somebody from GW explained the thinking behind it, if we had an idea of the thinking behind it, it might be easier to make a call on whether it was good, bad or neutral.

Not that that's going to happen.

Imagine the troubles GW might have navigated if they just gave people some idea of their goals with the game.

I'm guessing the word you were looking for was "mitigated".

I dunno, I like the mental picture "navigated" gives me. Like they're on a ship made of ivory sailing through a sea of negativity, with a red shirt in the crow's nest looking for the fabled Fanboy Island, a very small island populated by a handful of very rich people who just hoard models without realizing or caring that there even is a game to go with them.

 LutherMax wrote:
Why tactical squad?

How could it be less BA?

Why not assault squad?

[/facepalm]

I'm wondering all these same things, Hopefully this will make sense once we either 1.) know more about the Box itself or 2.) know more about the codex.

Otherwise It looks like I'll buy the tac box, grab some Assault boxes, make what I want and then sell off the rest of the standard stuff. which would be a pain but at least I have the option now.



......as for the 32mm base thing , well that full switch over rumor is starting to look true. ( they did nail everything else) , I'm probably like the rest of you and have mixed emotions on it considering it does make a lot of sense modeling wise for those units to be on 32mm bases.

However seeing the Carnifex have a new base ( which I really don't feel was needed, not to mention I HATE oval bases) and GW coming out with another totally new base size for the tyrannocyte ( which we naturally have to assume they will use elsewhere, to maximize investment on making it) makes me think this move is less motivated by making modeling sense ( feet standing over bases, I.E. Necrons and Marines) but more an attempt grab some cash from bases, from people who are not going to want to look at a mix of different base sizes among the same type of squad.

They get cash for cheap to make bases and some (not all of us) will buy bases for all their armies, old and new. So GW gets money off old models again and as a temporary side benefit , most outside companies will have to catch up to these new bases , leaving the market to mainly GW for a few months.

and yes I know 1 company was posted on here for 32mm wood bases but it will basically be a GW market for at least a few weeks or months.

Motograter wrote:
Those are deffo 32mm bases on the tac squad. If it was 25mm like usual their feet would be at the edge

Agreed. As for "Why tacticals", probably because something like 70% of the fighting forces of the Blood Angels are tactical marines. Read your codex