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No, the problem is that it is not how kneepads work. They should stick to the wearer's knee and not just hang from the pants, that's their whole point. Even modern integrated kneepads have special fixing bands to keep the kneepads over the knee - you can see them on this pic - those tiny things on the new Cadians just look silly by comparison.
Yes, is it worth painting or modelling them on? I am thinking not because they don't bunch up around the knees like normal trousers and 'pads. Can't cut them off though and not have weird knees. Make them bigger?
Name is "Praetorian". Supposed to be kinda like the Churchill.
Yesterday i was speaking with a friend about how the Tanks in the new box artwork looks more like a M60 Patton than a Russ... and now this seems to fit that siloutte much better..
GiToRaZor wrote: The 'Heavier Weapons teams', well it's nice that they are there? It feels like there could have been a bit more polish to them. They look cartoonish in a bad way. But maybe it's just the paint job again. I do like that I could at least place Heavy Mortars and Thudd Guns under count as now (with hopefully no longer trash rules)
They do look bad, like cheap plastic toy conversions in the cannons case. Plus side? Can finally use those WW2 gun kits - excellent detail, good gun mantles, etc. I am struggling to know how you make them tough enough to survive, unless they get tank stats.
At least its pose is better than the current one, but my favorite is still by far the one reading from a book with his powerfist.
Noting I don't know all the old Commisars too well, so I could be drastically off here, but probably Fist Boy > Steel Legion Commissar > Lord Commisar > Female Commissar > This Guy > Current Commissar. I know I'm missing a few, but as I don't remember them I can't really rate them.
Little surpasses bolt pistol execution commissar!
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No, the problem is that it is not how kneepads work. They should stick to the wearer's knee and not just hang from the pants, that's their whole point. Even modern integrated kneepads have special fixing bands to keep the kneepads over the knee - you can see them on this pic - those tiny things on the new Cadians just look silly by comparison.
Yes, is it worth painting or modelling them on? I am thinking not because they don't bunch up around the knees like normal trousers and 'pads. Can't cut them off though and not have weird knees. Make them bigger?
Imo best option is to just cut them off with a blade and file the remaining bit into a knee, should take really low effort to do. If you do want to keep them, you can also cut them off and then reglue in a more proper place and make a "connection" band that goes behind the knee around the leg. I have been modifying and "fixing" GW minis for a long time as I am not keen with many things and just prefer to fix them myself, nowadays I just use sprue shavings and plastic glue with aplicator to rescult what I want on a model.
Sadly i've found recently that the newer models GW pulls out have a lot more things I dislike. From the weird "extruded/flat/" parts on models which I have to carve out to the really badly designed "functions" of the mini and the biggest offender ... faces, it's like the sculptors don't know what a human face looks like, or what hair looks like... worse are the female faces. I feel that it all started to go downhill in "thought" and design quality with the release of the Mario Kart for SM.
Don't get me wrong, I generally like most models but then they have a really big big big thing thats soo poorly designed that I just say nah, im good. Like for example, what bothers me more for the new cadian sculpts is the big/weird hands and if you look at the new kaskrin the problem isn't there :( Thinking about it I think that those are gloved and make more sense whilst being the exact same size
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insaniak wrote: Wow... I had thought that any update of the plastic Cadians with GW's current sculpting aesthetic was going to be amazing. But this release is oddly uninspiring.
Yes. I have thousands of infantry models from all sorts of manufacturers. I have made some brilliant multipart guys (my favourite is my anvil chap - a Sikh sniper having a break sitting on a gun carriage and having a drink). I have scores of monopose. From Sci-fi through to great war. But these aren't enthusing me.
The Sentinel is a redesign of a model that really didn't need a redesign, and doesn't look as nice as the model it replaces.
Yes chunkier scout vehicle isn't a good look, but probably better for Necromunda conversions. If you look at the Primaris stuff though it fits the new chunky asthetic/manufacturing directive.
OH and again......it looks like the models are on bigger bases.
Will use some kind of disc and bluetack. I am not having command staff that will often be mixed into my squads (for looks, if I am not fielding them as command squad) being out of place with different base sizes.
Don't forget the IG is the average joe army. People want to be able to do some unique poses like digging a foxhole, smoking a cigarette, standing at attention etc. And more arms and more poses only helps that.
If you encounter Anvil at a show they bring a bits crate with them. Great fun, get to make all those guardsmen you have always dreamed of...
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I like that they mentioned that the "Junior Officers" runa round with a retinue. That means there is a slight chance we might see the return of the Command Squad that is not a Character for Assassination purposes.
In equal levels I don't like the notion that all Senior Officers are now Castellans and they don't have a Command Squad. Makes neither sense from a lore nore gameplay mechanic. Guard Characters need any chance they can get at survival.
I like to hear that Orders are still a thing and that Go Go Go (or was it Move Move Move?) is still present.
Still waiting on any meaningful changes though. I mean replacing Veterans with Cadian Shock Troops is currently a minus in firepower, as we haven't heard anything about special rules so far. The next weeks will likely tell us.
And thanks to the people that answered my base size question. (even though I think 4,70€ is quite the shocking price for one base.....)
H.B.M.C. wrote: It's a mini-Earthshaker. Just being a slightly more different-er Autocannon would make it about as redundant as the slightly bigger lascannon.
It is angled like a direct-fire weapon, so I would also say it is something like the Taurox Battle Cannon or the Predator Autocannon.
Pretty sure in the stream they said it is a mini-Earthshaker, so it fires indirectly.
The statement was it hits like a mini-Earthshaker IIRC. The indirect fire part is up in the air.
It's called the "Bombast Field Cannon".
"Bombast" is, weirdly, a type of padding used to line the inside of garments or armor. Suggests a more defensive rather than offensive role though. Might not be indirect because of that.
I assumed by "Bombast" they were trying to invoke the term "Bombard", but different. I don't think the name is meant to imply on anything other than that, otherwise the dictionary definition of bombast is basically just "big talk with no meaning".
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H.B.M.C. wrote: It's a mini-Earthshaker. Just being a slightly more different-er Autocannon would make it about as redundant as the slightly bigger lascannon.
It is angled like a direct-fire weapon, so I would also say it is something like the Taurox Battle Cannon or the Predator Autocannon.
Pretty sure in the stream they said it is a mini-Earthshaker, so it fires indirectly.
The statement was it hits like a mini-Earthshaker IIRC. The indirect fire part is up in the air.
It's called the "Bombast Field Cannon".
"Bombast" is, weirdly, a type of padding used to line the inside of garments or armor. Suggests a more defensive rather than offensive role though. Might not be indirect because of that.
I assumed by "Bombast" they were trying to invoke the term "Bombard", but different. I don't think the name is meant to imply on anything other than that, otherwise the dictionary definition of bombast is basically just "big talk with no meaning".
chaos0xomega wrote: I assumed by "Bombast" they were trying to invoke the term "Bombard", but different. I don't think the name is meant to imply on anything other than that, otherwise the dictionary definition of bombast is basically just "big talk with no meaning".
Once I learned that meaning of bombast, it put me in the mindset of the "aegis"/"phalanx" close-in systems...just taken to the guard mindset of "PROTECTION BOOM"!
My personal pet pevee with this release - ironically, not actually directly related to this release - is the fact that after actual literal decades of waiting we finally got a plastic Traitor Guard kit, only for it to be rendered outdated within a few months by the fact the Guardsmen themselves were redesigned, making their Traitor counterparts look noticeably outdated, given they were based on the previous kit.
Different shoulderpad design, different helmet design, different chestplate design, different boot design, different belt design, no kneepads, no tactical webbing, no black-neck-scarf-thing, no backpacks redesigned bottom of the jacket so that it's now more detailed and actually looks like it's got pants underneath, instead of being a solid chunk - all of these combine to make the Traitor Guard look noticeably older than the Loyalist Guard, even though they were released barely a few months apart.
Scorpionee wrote: My personal pet pevee with this release - ironically, not actually directly related to this release - is the fact that after actual literal decades of waiting we finally got a plastic Traitor Guard kit, only for it to be rendered outdated within a few months by the fact the Guardsmen themselves were redesigned, making their Traitor counterparts look noticeably outdated, given they were based on the previous kit.
Different shoulderpad design, different helmet design, different chestplate design, different boot design, different belt design, no kneepads, no tactical webbing, no black-neck-scarf-thing, no backpacks redesigned bottom of the jacket so that it's now more detailed and actually looks like it's got pants underneath, instead of being a solid chunk - all of these combine to make the Traitor Guard look noticeably older than the Loyalist Guard, even though they were released barely a few months apart.
I don't see how that's a problem, it's not like there's one style of uniform. Just think of it as a different variation of similar yet different equipment in the same way there is entirely different regiments.
Scorpionee wrote: My personal pet pevee with this release - ironically, not actually directly related to this release - is the fact that after actual literal decades of waiting we finally got a plastic Traitor Guard kit, only for it to be rendered outdated within a few months by the fact the Guardsmen themselves were redesigned, making their Traitor counterparts look noticeably outdated, given they were based on the previous kit.
Different shoulderpad design, different helmet design, different chestplate design, different boot design, different belt design, no kneepads, no tactical webbing, no black-neck-scarf-thing, no backpacks redesigned bottom of the jacket so that it's now more detailed and actually looks like it's got pants underneath, instead of being a solid chunk - all of these combine to make the Traitor Guard look noticeably older than the Loyalist Guard, even though they were released barely a few months apart.
I don't think it's that big of an issue. The traitor guard could be from a completely different regiment that is issued gear and outfits that are inspired by Cadians but are their own thing. It's a big universe. We're definitely used to seeing Cadians painted as different regiments because its largely the only plastic guard kit people have access to, but imperial guard regiments aren't restricted to only having the Cadian gear. The chestplate isn't the same as the old kit either. It's its own thing
I'd also say that it should be easy enough to give the new Cadians the arms and helmets from the traitor guard, but for some reason, GW gave the traitor guard strange necks and head sockets, so it takes a bit more to convert them.
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For me, it's not a thing of it being strictly different, it's just that they seem less detailed. The shoulder pads are one solid chunk instead of being layered, the belt buckle is just a square, instead of several pieces with a skull detail, the bottom of the jacket is a solid piece instead of the more realistic way it looks on new Cadians, there's no ammo webbing, the chestplate is much simpler. To me, it just overall feels like it's less detailed, because it was based on a significantly older design, if you know what I mean.
That new Castellan is horrifically bland, no soul whatsoever. Massive downgrade from the predecessor, which to my mind was one of the most characterful minis from that era.
Scorpionee wrote: My personal pet pevee with this release - ironically, not actually directly related to this release - is the fact that after actual literal decades of waiting we finally got a plastic Traitor Guard kit, only for it to be rendered outdated within a few months by the fact the Guardsmen themselves were redesigned, making their Traitor counterparts look noticeably outdated, given they were based on the previous kit.
Different shoulderpad design, different helmet design, different chestplate design, different boot design, different belt design, no kneepads, no tactical webbing, no black-neck-scarf-thing, no backpacks redesigned bottom of the jacket so that it's now more detailed and actually looks like it's got pants underneath, instead of being a solid chunk - all of these combine to make the Traitor Guard look noticeably older than the Loyalist Guard, even though they were released barely a few months apart.
Oh I wasn't actually excepting that but...it's a good point.
The traitor guard doesn't just look from another regiment, he indeed looks outdated. Being based on an outdated loyalist regiment, that's makes sense
Cadians have a long and proud history of command, boasting some of the finest leaders in the Imperium. Like the indomitable Ursula Creed, their Castellans have decades of experience wielding the hammer of the Emperor, and work to ensure that the legacy of Ursakar E. Creed is alive and well.
Unlike regular Command Squads, Castellans don’t go into battle accompanied by a retinue. They move among their troops, issuing orders and directing fire wherever it’s needed, all while extending re-rolls to every CORE unit in range.
Astra Militarum officers can all boost the effectiveness of their Guardsmen with orders, but the Castellan can issue two per turn. Orders are a vital aspect of the war machine, encouraging units to hit harder, pin down foes, and surge across the battlefield in mass human waves.
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Stop quoting massive posts with minimal replies please.
I feel like I have seen that leg/rock pose somewhere before...
Great model though!
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Albertorius wrote: Wow, the new proportions showcase just how ridounculously big the guns are.
I was wondering that about the Bolter that Castellan is using. It looks closer to an Astartes bolter than the human-intended version seen in Necromunda and such.
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